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navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



I am F5ing my kindle so hard right now!!!

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navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Murphy speculation (Spoilered for last book stuff):



Murphy is getting a coin.

I know, but hear me out.

She has been described more than once as "fallen" or a "fallen woman." She was Lasciel in Harry's creepy sex dream, and "People do crazy things for love. Crazy, crazy things."

Remember, when Harry needed the extra oomph to save Maggie, the Winter Mantle was the lesser of three or four evils, including Kemmler's Darkhallow and picking up a Coin.

Even if she'd never gotten hurt, Murphy is 40 years old at least (she'd be closer to 50 but I'll close my eyes and pretend she was the world's youngest police LT ever when we met her 16-17 years ago.) Point is, especially now that she's been hurt, she needs a fairly substantial equalizer to stay in the game. I don't think the Swords provide that kind of physical oomph.

In any case, I don't think Butcher is unaware of any of this, I don't think he's going to sideline his favorite rear end-kicker, and he's a fan of fall and redemption stories, so yeah, he's setting Good People up for a Fall...

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Also, let's face it, racist. (with a hat tip to the PC Grant / Rivers of London series for pointing that out in hilarious fashion)

Ethically-Challenged Practitioners.
And what's extra hilarious is that Nightingale buys into it!

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



ookiimarukochan posted:

"Bob Howard" (which, we are regularly told, is a code-name) is a short form of his full name "Bob Oliver Francis Howard" - Stross is totally familiar. If you aren't reading his blog, http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/, you are missing out on a bunch of explanations, interesting story ideas he can't quite turn into books, etc etc.

Yeah, I kind of knew it was a code name since he mentions the whole true name thing in the first book, but when he gets mentioned in the same breath as "Agent CANDID" with the same conventions, I was really :catdrugs:

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



SystemLogoff posted:

It all depends on how much you care about the story of letters being left behind.

It makes me worried about the second book, because the contact/similarities between the old and new character really makes me love that book.

One of the things that bugged me about Anthony Ryan's second book after Blood Song. He dropped the framing device and I think the book suffered for its loss.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Benny the Snake posted:

Thanks. There's also something bugging me about the whole conceit of the series as well. If each river in London has an associated diety, wouldn't their health be dependant on their respective river? Therefore, Mama Thames, Father Thames, Lady Ty, et all shouldn't have so much influence but therefore be rather sickly and diseased to do decades upon decades of human polution and negligence, right? I just don't find it very feasable that any God or Goddess of nature would hold any sort of proper influence or power in any post-industrial nation nowadays. Especially in London, the town where the Industrial Revolution first took place.

Not necessarily. If their power is based off the importance and influence of their river rather than the purity of the water.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Khizan posted:

Simon R. Green manages to build worlds I really like and then completely gently caress up the story he tells in them.

This. It's the easiest thing in the world to copy and paste character descriptions...

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Fried Chicken posted:

What was that quasi-urban fantasy thing from a few years back where Bush invaded hell? I remember it getting mocked in LF, it was like mixing a David Weber power fantasy with a Tom Clancy handbook with the most smug "I'm too smart for religion" crap I've seen in a while. It was sucking David Petraeus' dick harder than Paula Broadwell by having him beat hell, while at the same time stroking its own ego about how hell was bronze age savages and military hardware was so Gosh darn awesome in its ability to blindly kill civilians.

That sounds like John Ringo's "Through the Looking Glass" books. Oh. John Ringo. No.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



XyrlocShammypants posted:

I downloaded Naked in Death, which apparently is Book 1 of a whopping 51 story saga I had never heard of. In the first few hours of listening, it sounds like "Karrin Murphy got her own series" in some ways and I am hoping this can fill a bit of the void left by catching up in the Dresden Files series. The series is definitely 'tech and no magic' as it takes place in the mid 21st Century, but that's fine with me.

Anyone else here has bothered to check out this series and if it has any potential as it progresses?

I actually read a bunch of these and liked them, but at some point stopped reading. The setting is actually pretty cool. It's a future America post-post some kind of social apocalypse called "The Urban Wars." It's never (at least as far as I got) really explained what happened but the country is governed from New Washington. It's got some really good characters and definitely passes the Bechdel Test. There are some steamy sex scenes in each book, but they normally only take up a couple of pages and are easily skippable.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



torgeaux posted:

The Last Detective.

I don't know if I endorse the equivalency, but I endorse reading the last detective policeman and the sequels. Be told, it makes Lovecraft look like Pollyanna as far as existential dread goes.

Edit: fixed title

navyjack fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Aug 21, 2015

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Barbe Rouge posted:

I think it's Policeman, not Detective.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks!

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Ornamented Death posted:

Has anyone read Myke Cole's books? He was on a panel with Jim at DragonCon and was just absolutely hilarious (in fact, he was more entertaining than Jim, something I've never seen happen), and I'm curious if I should check out his work.

Myke is worth reading for being MilFic written by a military guy that's not all "Evil Liberals" and "Muslims are evil."

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



My :10bux: goes on: Harry killing Marcone. Marcone is the longest running antagonists in the books and is basically set up as Harry's vanilla foil. Marcone out of the picture changes EVERYTHING

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



ConfusedUs posted:

I'm about 25% in, and I feel the same.

Gwyn's dialogue is consistently terrible, though. She's the one everyone hated in the preview chapter, and she never gets better, at least for the first 25% of the book. I think it's her defining character trait. "Talks like a twit". See, right there, next to "scion of a powerful house" and her intelligence score of 9.

Edit: I like the talking cats more than I thought I would, though. Rowl owns.

Yeah, the talking cats are way better than I thought, but the fishmalk etherialists got old quick. Doorknobs

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



flosofl posted:

What do you mean? It's attached to the ground. They even mention the danger of the ground creatures at the base of the Spire.


It's unclear if it's an enormous cone/obelisk (miles in diameter) or if it's a gigantic pyramid. Personally, the word 'spire' conjures up a cone/obelisk to me.

Yeah for some reason, I don't know why, but I had imagined them floating too. Dumb, now that I think about it.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Shinjobi posted:

So Grimm is the best character in the book, right? I've enjoyed his parts more than any of the others combined. Not disliking the other characters, mind you, but all I'm getting from this book is "The Adventures of Captain Grimm & His Sassy Sidekicks."

I really liked the cats. Considering I expected to hate them, that's pretty cool!

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



mallamp posted:

Kate Daniels isn't paranormal romance??

It is, to an extent, but the focus stays more on Kate going and finding things out and loving people up than the romance/sex/alpha crap. Kind of like the early Anita Blake books before poo poo got so loving twisted.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



calandryll posted:

Anyone read Borderline yet? I'm about 20% done and it's not bad, a bit rough but could be an ok series.

I liked it well enough, but I don't know if I'd actively seek out the next one.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Wolpertinger posted:

In Shining Armor was pretty drat good. Book 1 was the roughest of the bunch but enjoyable, and from then on each book has been better than the last.

I'm still trying to process the avalanche of action. This was a very active novel.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Magres posted:

Oh I had no idea that the RR in JRR was Ronal Reuel.


No fuckin way, Tolkien was 100% the Summer Knight and there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. It's too awesome to not be true :colbert:

Seconded! I move nominations be closed!

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Geokinesis posted:

Is there any "Rural Fantasy"?

I mean with settings in like the fens or the cotswalds with the protagonist dealing with harvest spirits that have been mechanised due to modern agriculture or something.

Not exactly fantasy because they're aliens, but Zenna Henderson's "The People" stories are about country-folk with strange powers. Dated as hell but still cool.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



mrking posted:

Yea I went into the book thinking "talking cats wtf" and ended up loving the cats. I expect the second time around the main child characters won't be so insufferable, entitled, and juvenile.

Me too! I almost didn't read it because of "talking cat Mafia" and the cats are the reason I'll pick up the second.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



ImpAtom posted:

I actually wonder if it wouldn't be Michael. Then he'd be protecting his daughter, Michael is perhaps the one person who the Winter Knight mantle would have a hard time corruption, he's already been a knight and shown his worth, and yet there's just enough there for it to be a serious risk and for Harry to loathe himself for it in traditional Harry fashion.

Oh man, Charity would KILL him!

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Drifter posted:

If you want less alpha poo poo relationship stuff the Kate Daniels series by Ilona Andrews is better - I mean, it's still there, but its' a lot better. I think Andrews wrote the better series, even.

I just read the most recent book in this series and I can recommend it. Yeah, it's hot lady kick-rear end magic-user Mary-Sue and her Alpha-Shifter, but it doesn't get into squicky were-loving (much), the magic is cool and non-bog standard, and the over-arcing mythology is interesting enough to make the weak points worth overlooking.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



docbeard posted:

Call me a contrarian if you must, but I don't really care about any Word of Jim unless those words are contained in books about the wizard Harry Dresden with titles made out of puns.

Cowl is Zombie Justin and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

I thought Cowl and Kumari were the two wardens that died "offstage" while Dresden was riding Sue? Maybe because one had an Asian name? It's been a minute.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Wade Wilson posted:

Cowl and Kumori were the last two necromancers standing.

Kumori had a wire around Dresden's throat and Cowl was the one trying to drink the Darkhallow, when Bob took over Sue's body and helped Dresden gently caress everything up.

No, sorry. I meant that there were two Wardens (one a female with a Japanese name?) who both "died" off-screen or with a "no body recovered" right when the big fight starts and I always wondered if they weren't Cowl and Kumori's cover. I'll root through the book and find the passage and see if I can make sense.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Calidus posted:

Mab is really one of best characters in the series. She definitely in my top 3, and might even be number 1.

Mab is a perfect example of how no one is a villain in her own mind. Everything she does is purposeful and aimed toward the greater good.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



flosofl posted:

Are you saying she's a villain?

Because I'd say she's actually somewhat heroic, what with guarding all of our reality by being responsible for repelling Outsiders at the Outer Gate. She makes cold-blooded choices based on the pragmatism of "if I don't, everything will be destroyed" She's a far more sympathetic character to me when you find out what's weighing on her shoulders.

I'm saying if she's a villain, then nobody is. Even Nick(odemus), if you drilled right down to it, doesn't see himself as "Capital E" Evil. He has what he considers just and good reasons for what he does. He's not a mustache-twirler.

Honestly, I think it's almost a theme with the Dresden Files. Not so much "Good and Evil are where you stand" as " There's a thin line. Blink and you'll miss it."

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Khizan posted:

Harry also does working sets with 400 kilos. This blows away pretty much every weightlifting record in the world, and that's as his daily workout. And he's a tall lanky runner, not the Mountain That Rides. While removing the limiters might let somebody shift 400kg once because their kid is trapped under it or something, it's not going to let that person do working sets at 400kg.

Yeah. Butter's theory doesn't really hold up with what we've directly observed.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Exmond posted:

So uhh, this might not be the place with it but after my RPG group failed to start up Dresden Files RPG (Lot of effort to make a city) we are starting up Urban Shadows. Kind of has the same urban fantasy premise and the system is more focused on Story rather than mechanics. Has anyone tried it out?

Also any urban fantasy novels with a "Deal with the devil" protagonist?

Stephen Blackmoore's "Dead Things" has what you're looking for, I think.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Wheat Loaf posted:

Is there anything good / noteworthy in UF that's set in the 19th / early-20th century?

Maybe Gail Carriger's Parasol Protectorate books. They're YA and silly, but reasonably fun. The Anno Dracula books by Kim Newman might scratch that itch (decidedly NOT YA). The Bartimeus (sp?) books by Johnathan Stroud (also YA and silly)

If you can handle Orson Scott Card and "non-Mormonism-seriously-you-guys", read the Alvin Maker, but, much like Dune, stop when you don't like them anymore.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



ookiimarukochan posted:

A warning - they're very much twee stick-some-gears-on-brown-clothes 2nd generation steampunk (i.e. no consideration of the politics, all the nobility are kind wonderful chaps, etc)

This is absolutely accurate.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Wheat Loaf posted:

Right, I understand it's more of a steampunk series than an urban fantasy one, but is anyone able to recommend or advise against The Custard Protocol by Gail Carringer?

The Parasol Protectorate are the main series. Custard Protocol follow the kids of that, and Etiquette and Espionage are YA in same universe I think? I enjoyed them, but they are FLUFF.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Ornamented Death posted:

Having read at least some, if not all, of the books in each series, that's the order I'd give them. That said, I'd personally put Craig Schaefer's Daniel Faust/Harmony Black books above all of them.

Agree! Craig Schaffer is a machine. Also, check out Stephen Blackmoore's "Dead Things" (can't remember if that's the name of the series or just a book). It's got a reluctant necromancer willing to burn LA to the ground for the ones he loves. Less ridiculous but about as noir as the Sandman Slim books.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



OneTwentySix posted:

He put a cottonmouth snake in the middle of Lake Michigan, and it bugs the hell out of me. You can find them in extreme southern Illinois, but Lake Michigan is over 350 miles beyond their most northern range. Timber rattlesnake would be plausible, possibly even a massasauga, but definitely not a cottonmouth. I know this makes me a giant nerd.

The giant Wrigley Field parking lot got a laugh out of me.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

There's a great mystery series set in Miami and the Keys in the seventies and eighties, the Travis McGee books by John D. McDonald.


You're all wrong though the real answer is Last Call series by Tim Powers, set in Vegas. Even there though the rest of the series it's in is pretty bad.

Ahem. Set in Ft Lauderdale, tyvm, Slip F-18, Bahia Mar aboard the Busted Flush.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Decius posted:

I'm currently on a Seanan McGuire's October Daye series bender (I think someone here is friends with her?) Book one is pretty rough (not as rough as Dresden book 1 though), but drat, by book three it's incredibly gripping and well written. The growth in writing ability is really astonishing. Main character not overpowered, no male gaze (since the main character is a woman written by a woman you at best get some descriptions of various hunks), quite funny at times, very cruel at others. You must like Faerie stuff however, since that's all it is about.

Pax Arcana is another I really like a lot. It's however not outstandingly great prose, but it is good genre standard and quite fun. Main character is interesting and with a more realistic outlook on life than Dresden & Co - he feels a lot more like someone who has lived for 80 years than most "old" protagonists in UF, again the character is not overpowered and the writing isn't very male gaze-y (no more than having a male main character requires). World building is interesting and fun, the sex and relationship stuff refreshingly adult and low-key. You must be able to stand Werewolf stuff however (although well constructed Werewolf stuff, that's not at all about Alpha-worshipping like far too many series are).

And if you really like well written, well constructed and extremely interesting there is of course the Craft Sequence by Max Gladstone. It's not really UF, since it isn't set in Our World + Hidden Supernatural, but in a fantasy setting, where Necromants and Gods battle it out on the Dead Man's Land of High Financing (the currency is basically Souls). Nor has it a central protagonist, but every few books follow people in a certain city. However, it has many elements of it, and it is so worth it.

I endorse this post whole-heartedly. If you can handle some romance in your UF, I'll add the "Magic 'blank'" series by Ilona Andrews. There are SEXXXXY shapeshifters, but it's not cringeworthy most of the time, and there is a cool Slavic mythology slant you don't see much of and the protagonist is actually pretty badass.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Number Ten Cocks posted:

That was revealed in a sample chapter months ago.

I skipped ahead to the epilogue because I don't have the time to read this one and don't want it weighing on me. LOL, meet the new boss same as the old boss that tried to sacrifice you and bind the Eater of Souls into your body. I'm impressed at Stross's ability to create a situation short of the death or enslavement of all humanity or open full scale necromantic war that is still significantly worse than the ending of the previous book.

Did we know from previous books that the Mandate was the Black Pharaoh? Or was that new info. Also, I didn't understand the bit at the very end where the Feeder babbles that gibberish at him? What was that about?

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Number Ten Cocks posted:

That was revealed in a sample chapter months ago.

I skipped ahead to the epilogue because I don't have the time to read this one and don't want it weighing on me. LOL, meet the new boss same as the old boss that tried to sacrifice you and bind the Eater of Souls into your body. I'm impressed at Stross's ability to create a situation short of the death or enslavement of all humanity or open full scale necromantic war that is still significantly worse than the ending of the previous book.

You should go read it, it has a quick throwaway line that gives a chilling look into Bob's power-up After an attack on him where he used his Eater of Souls power to kill the 3 bad guys, he tells someone that if it had gotten away from him, he could have Eaten everyone in a kilometer radius (in downtown London). He then notes to himself that that is bollocks...he's not sure how far he could Eat, but it was a hell of a lot further than that. He also compares himself to a Trident submarine. Our little IT geek has grown way up!

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navyjack
Jul 15, 2006



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

There are a bunch of wheel of Time references in Verus. The most direct is probably when Luna considers taking Zarine as a mage name and then decides against it.

There's also an indirect rivers of London reference in book 7 when the Met police show up to his burned out shop and they talk about how the section name has changed yet again.

I'm super confused by the status of magic in society in these books. There seems to be no secrecy. They run around blowing poo poo up and getting in gunfights and having big meetings on fancy dress in visible London landmarks, but I don't recall any discussion of hiding out from the normies?

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