SedanChair posted:

I don't want to watch libertarians on video.

tbp posted:

Times I have tried to in the past have led directly to South Park quotes.

ErIog posted:

You can read about a lot of that at NSFWCorp

Caros posted:

I actually don't agree with this post all that much, if only because it comes off as mustache twirling cartoon villainy, something you don't actually see from many libertarians.

While it is true that certain libertarians (Murray Rothbard) have argued for a "Free flowing market of children" the idea was never suggested that it was for labor or abuse, but instead as an alternative to existing adoption programs. Its a dumb way to handle things, but it is in no way a suggestion that we should just be putting children back to work in the mines. Child labour would fall under the 'unfortunate side effect' aspect for every libertarian I've ever met or spoken to.

Mr Interweb posted:

I must say, I'm quite fascinated that libertarians and conservatives proudly bring up a brutal dictator like Pinochet as an example to bolster right-wing economic theory.

BrandorKP posted:

"Prior to joining Cato, Mitchell was a senior fellow with The Heritage Foundation" "Ph.D. in economics from George Mason University."

These are fruits of producing institutions like the Mercator center at GMU.

Communist Zombie posted:

I thought that was the unstated rule of DROs? Next to getting the most money from our customers, even if it would mean sacrificing some small ones.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Does anyone have a copy of that post from a goon libertarian from like 10 years ago about how his mother initiated force against him so he had to push her down stairs?

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Well the right rules are the ones that are right, because if they weren't right, then they wouldn't be the right rules now would they?

quote:

Hoppe first notes that when two parties are in conflict with one another, they can choose to resolve the conflict by engaging in violence, or engaging in argumentation. In the event that they choose to engage in argumentation, Hoppe asserts that the parties have implicitly rejected violence as a way to resolve their conflict. He therefore concludes that non-violence is an underlying norm (Grundnorm) of argumentation that is accepted by both parties.

SedanChair posted:

Can relationships be free of coercion. My mother gave birth to me, CHOOSING FOR ME the date of my existence. I stand against such aggression.

DrProsek posted:

If we lived in the CSA, we wouldn't have any of these problems! The greatest tragedy in the last millennia, maybe even in all of history, was the brutal conquest, annexation, and genocide of 85% of the population of the Confederate States of America. Let's all spend a moment, shedding a tear for the once proud nation, that just wanted to own other human beings .

JRod, who should I get into contact with if I want to help resurrect the Confederate States? It can't be too late, surely someone is willing to take up the good fight!

Caros posted:

Pope Guilty posted:

"Give me all your money or I'll kill you!"

"By making a demand, you've already surrendered your right to kill me!"

"gently caress!"

ElCondemn posted:

No matter what I say it won't be enough.

I think I'm through revealing my personal life to you guys, I don't need to justify my credentials. I'm assuring you we'll follow the law. I trust we have the life experience to raise a child. Quite honestly with the amount of attention we're planning to give to our children I doubt we'll do any worse, and probably better, than a public school.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I bought a cert for this insane Brazilian libertarian I know from offsite, and tried to get him to register via proxy, but he declined because the Dangan Ronpa 2 LP has long since ended

revdrkevind posted:

Then he claimed that volunteering is a felony because it violates minimum wage laws, and I had to leave.

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

That great standard of living is just the natural order of things. At least, that's how it probably felt to the boomers. Nothing we do would ever change that!

Alternatively,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_XswHm514w

Plastics posted:

People a\re finally realizing that government is not their friend in any capacity and all of it is about control one way or another. Black slaves were given food and shelter, that didn't make them free. Why is giving people today food and shelter a good thing instead of being transparently seen as the exertion of control that it really is? We may never know.

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Reminder: this very argument was used_{by a crazy person} during the recent flap about the traitor's flag to claim slavery was voluntary because the slaves chose to live in their state as they could have chosen to die instead.

Plastics posted:

Wow, lots of posts here! I am sorry for people I overlook but I just do not have the time to reply to everyone.

Caros posted:

Yeah, I was aware of this but I didn't want to get hugely off track mid-line. Mostly I'm referring to a different sort of kook who wants some 'experimental' unapproved drug that is unapproved because it doesn't work but who will ultimately blame the FDA for not letting them kill themselves with bleach or whatever.

Thanks for the clarification tho!

Plastics posted:

I do try to research places and foods before I go there yes (and I am not perfect but the difference is I would admit it was my own fault if I got sick because I did not research my food) BUT! There is something you have overlooked here. ALthough the Government does exist and exert its power that does not mean that NO other factors can be in play. If I go to a diner I can know that it is probably safe because a lot of other people have gone there and enjoyed their food and not been sick or dead from it. And I only need to go the first time to do research or when they change policies. In an anarchist system that would be exactly the same by the way..

VitalSigns posted:

Even if you nail the Libertarian dead to rights on bad outcomes, they'll just abandon the argument that libertopia would be better for the people living in it and fall back on ontological ethics. A libertarian system is better because it's libertarian, not because it's actually better to live there (if you aren't in the aristocratic/warlord class).

It would actually save a bunch of time if Libertarians were honest from the start like Plastics here, immediately acknowledging that the most horrific dystopia imaginable is a small price to pay for a sufficiently capital-V Virtuous society, if only he'd follow this to its logical conclusion and not bother to make the case that Libertarianism would lead to less suffering and death since that doesn't matter according to his captial-E Ethics anyway.