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paragon1 posted:Wait a second, Hispanic? Poor? In Arizona? Yeah you were the victim of some racist as poo poo educators and administrators ElCondemn. Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child.
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ElCondemn posted:Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child. This probably isn't a great idea because a 5 year-old likely doesn't know whether or not an education is an important thing to have, hth
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Jun 11, 2015 03:41
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ElCondemn posted:Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child. It's been brought up as a joke before, but do you also think your child should be allowed to choose what they eat all the time? Should they choose when they go to bed, or if they brush their teeth?
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Jun 11, 2015 03:44
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ElCondemn posted:But that's not why I'm taking this approach with my children, I think I've explained pretty clearly why I like this approach, the freedom and ability to choose what you want is important to me, and I want to extend that to my children. The issue is that children don't have the necessary life experience or even cognitive development to make an informed choice. Your job as a parent is delivering your child to the point where they can do that, but it is unrealistic to expect that capacity from a six- or seven-year-old. Before I go on, I want to make it clear that I understand your position and what you think you're achieving with this idea. I do not agree with you, but I am not going to just mock and insult you. I am taking you seriously. But, stated more firmly, you have a responsibility as a parent to make choices on behalf of your child. If you refuse to do that, you're not talking about giving them the freedom to choose. They simply lack the ability to do that effectively. They don't understand the options, they can't compare the outcomes, and they can't evaluate probability, risk, or long-term consequences. Lacking those capacities is the literal difference between childhood and adulthood. Putting that kind of choice on a child is unfair to them. What you're talking about is abdicating your responsibility as a parent.
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Jun 11, 2015 03:46
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ElCondemn posted:Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child. Tell me how your kid could possibly make an informed choice if they never go to a school, let alone a variety of schools.
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Jun 11, 2015 04:00
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ElCondemn posted:Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child. yeah but you actively rejected public education while you were still a minor though
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Jun 11, 2015 04:02
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please keep in mind that you are saying "i dropped out of public education because i hated it" and "i expect my children will choose public education if they don't like my teachings" children don't know anything, you have to fill them with all their knowledge about the world before they can create new knowledge for themselves, and by your own admission you're a stubborn sadsack who is proud he dont need no book larnin you're setting your children up for a lifetime of grinding difficulty and i for one applaud you. parents who take the coward's choice of providing all kinds of expensive and enriching opportunities for their children are just creating more competitors for my kids and i support anyone who wants to thin that crowd a little you know you should go all the way and always dress them in torn, dirty clothes while they're running around harassing the neighbors during the school day. make sure they don't have any shoes too. really teach them the value of bootstraps
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Jun 11, 2015 04:04
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ElCondemn posted:Yes, I want my children to have what I didn't. Choice in their education is one of the many things I want for my children that I didn't have as a child. What did you want as a child that wasn't provided to you?
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Jun 11, 2015 04:14
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ElCondemn posted:I understand you're making fun of me and think I'm stupid, it doesn't mean I can't be jovial about it. It is nice that you feel bad for being a jerk though, but I'm pretty sure you're just trying to make me feel bad. Hi please eat your children it's better for their well-being than whatever the gently caress it is you're planning on subjecting them to
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Jun 11, 2015 04:26
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quote:After reading all these posts I think maybe the problem is you guys had great school experiences, Hi I spent five years hiding in the corner being an autistic weirdo and hating every second of my life. I had one good year. I was bored constantly and pulled a B average doing no work whatsoever. You're still an idiot.
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Jun 11, 2015 04:28
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QuarkJets posted:This probably isn't a great idea because a 5 year-old likely doesn't know whether or not an education is an important thing to have, hth Yes they do. Same reason you shouldn't force vaccination on your child: they cry when the needle goes in because they know it's bad. Listen to your child, let them be the adult and make adult decisions like "should I get an education".
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Jun 11, 2015 04:32
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I was just wondering how does libertarian thought deal with the issue mental health or health care generally?
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Jun 11, 2015 04:33
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Hunchie posted:I was just wondering how does libertarian thought deal with the issue mental health or health care generally? I'm sure there will be plenty of charity once the government stops stealing all our hard-earned money.
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Jun 11, 2015 04:35
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Hunchie posted:I was just wondering how does libertarian thought deal with the issue mental health or health care generally? Mental health=thought control. Government-funded big pharma is preventing the neurologically atypical from undertaking lucrative shamanic careers.
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Jun 11, 2015 04:37
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El have you considered the possibility you might be a lovely teacher? Like what if after a bunch of months of trying this your kid hasn't learnt anything important? Do you have any prior teaching experience? I have slowly realized that I don't know half as much about the world than I used to think I did. It's a humbling experience. Will you ever be able to look your child in the eye and say "I don't know, I don't have all the answers." And what if you are wrong and this whole "unteaching" thing is a big mistake. Would you have it in you to admit that you don't know better than everyone else.
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Jun 11, 2015 05:20
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Numb Three Ers posted:El have you considered the possibility you might be a lovely teacher? Like what if after a bunch of months of trying this your kid hasn't learnt anything important? Do you have any prior teaching experience? I have slowly realized that I don't know half as much about the world than I used to think I did. It's a humbling experience. Will you ever be able to look your child in the eye and say "I don't know, I don't have all the answers." And what if you are wrong and this whole "unteaching" thing is a big mistake. Would you have it in you to admit that you don't know better than everyone else. I don't think I'm a great teacher, but my wife has teaching experience and she's assured me she's capable and I trust her. quote:
Yes, that's not scary to me, if i need to learn I look it up. There's no reason to hide my ignorance from my child. I would hope they learn to value seeking knowledge too.
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GODDAMN IT! Over 200 posts in one day, and I thought that meant JRode posted again. Yet that does not appear to be the case. 
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Jun 11, 2015 05:41
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ElCondemn posted:ebut my wife has teaching experience doing what exactly
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Jun 11, 2015 05:43
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Literally The Worst posted:doing what exactly Teaching. Christ, did he not just get finished explaining this?
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Caros posted:Teaching. Christ, did he not just get finished explaining this? "Teaching experience" could just mean she's a sub in which case fuckin lol if that's what you think makes you qualified to be a teacher And since his wife is the one to suggest it I wouldn't imagine her "teaching experience" actually involves, you know, teaching or any kind of training w/r/t education
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Literally The Worst posted:doing what exactly No matter what I say it won't be enough. I think I'm through revealing my personal life to you guys, I don't need to justify my credentials. I'm assuring you we'll follow the law. I trust we have the life experience to raise a child. Quite honestly with the amount of attention we're planning to give to our children I doubt we'll do any worse, and probably better, than a public school.
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ElCondemn posted:There's no reason to hide my ignorance from my child. I would hope they learn to value seeking knowledge too. what about when they realize that you've screwed them out of any chance of a normal and productive life, do you have any excuses lined up or are you going to be upfront about being a terrible father
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ElCondemn posted:No matter what I say it won't be enough. Have you considered why that might be, or is your mind closed to the possibility that you might actually be wrong ElCondemn posted:I don't need to justify my credentials You dumb poo poo you dropped out at 15 you don't have any credentials to justify and that's our point
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if you're planning on loving over your kids this hard anyway you might as well take out as many loans and credit cards in their name as you can If they don't need formal education they don't need good credit either
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ElCondemn posted:No matter what I say it won't be enough. ah yes the ivy-crusted motto of Badfather U.
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Literally The Worst posted:Have you considered why that might be, or is your mind closed to the possibility that you might actually be wrong Yeah, we might be wrong, but I accept that risk. Bad parents do a lot worse than spending a lot of time teaching and providing life experience to their kids.
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Literally The Worst posted:"Teaching experience" could just mean she's a sub in which case fuckin lol if that's what you think makes you qualified to be a teacher Your sarcasim detector needs recalibrating if you think anyone could seriously agree with Eldumbfucko. ElCondemn posted:Yeah, we might be wrong, but I accept that risk. Bad parents do a lot worse than spending a lot of time teaching and providing life experience to their kids. From the sounds of unteaching (which is the most  name ever btw) you aren't planning on doing either of these things.
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ElCondemn posted:Yeah, we might be wrong, but I accept that risk. Bad parents do a lot worse than spending a lot of time teaching and providing life experience to their kids. You won't be doing that, because you will be working at your job, presuming you don't get fired. Your wife probably won't be doing that either because it's actually very stressful to properly handle home schooling and most people can not handle that. This is why normal people just send their kids to school, and then "spend a lot of time teaching and providing life experience" during weekends, nights, and summer breaks.
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ElCondemn posted:Yeah, we might be wrong, but I accept that risk. Bad parents do a lot worse than spending a lot of time teaching and providing life experience to their kids. i thought your plan was to let them roam around unsupervised "at least i don't beat and starve my kids" is not a valid justification for planned neglect
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you know the only rational way to explain ElCondem's avowed declaration to be as bad of a parent as he possibly can within the bounds of human decency is if someone pranked him by putting a Dr. Spocks Baby And Child Care dust jacket on the 1932 pamphlet Ending the Depression Through Planned Obsolescence
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Nintendo Kid posted:You won't be doing that, because you will be working at your job, presuming you don't get fired. Your wife probably won't be doing that either because it's actually very stressful to properly handle home schooling and most people can not handle that. Raskolnikov38 posted:my boss and his wife actually homeschool their kids because the son is autistic, and to do it legitimately like they do is a huge pain in the rear end. they structure the ever living gently caress out of their kids education and it's still a challenge to get them to study things that kids don't care for like how to write Really want to stress fishmech's point. My boss' wife teaches both the kids for about your average school day and then has to take them to weekly assessments to make sure the kids are meeting state standards in addition to tons of extra-curriculars to make sure the kids are socialized. The wife still had to make sure they're doing their work and studying what they need to because surprise, Pokemon, video games, and whatever are designed to be highly entertaining to kids while math and writing are not.
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Nintendo Kid posted:You won't be doing that, because you will be working at your job, presuming you don't get fired. Your wife probably won't be doing that either because it's actually very stressful to properly handle home schooling and most people can not handle that. Thanks for the concern but I think we'll be able to make those decisions on our own. If it's not possible to provide the education we're planning to I assure you we won't just drive them out to the forest to unschool them harder.
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ElCondemn posted:Thanks for the concern but I think we'll be able to make those decisions on our own. You've proven you can't, buddy.
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Nintendo Kid posted:You've proven you can't, buddy. I've proven it's stupid to talk about the merits of alternative education methods in a libertarian thread.
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ElCondemn posted:I've proven it's stupid to talk about the merits of alternative education methods in a libertarian thread. i'm sure someone could make a substantive case just not the guy who's proud of being a high school dropout and still brags about said fact as if it makes him a rebellious free thinker
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ElCondemn posted:Thanks for the concern but I think we'll be able to make those decisions on our own. If it's not possible to provide the education we're planning to I assure you we won't just drive them out to the forest to unschool them harder. lol neither of you will make it that far, by age 3 you'll be praying for the first day of preschool just to get the kid out of the house
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Popular Thug Drink posted:lol neither of you will make it that far, by age 3 you'll be praying for the first day of preschool just to get the kid out of the house I raised my little sister, that's the reason I dropped out, to take care of her for the first few years of her life.
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ElCondemn posted:I've proven it's stupid to talk about the merits of alternative education methods in a libertarian thread. Not educating is not an alternative except in the broadest sense.
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ElCondemn posted:I raised my little sister, that's the reason I dropped out, to take care of her for the first few years of her life. and look at where it's gotten you
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Popular Thug Drink posted:and look at where it's gotten you Well off?
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