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Dirk the Average posted:In chess, the king never dies. You put him in a situation with no retreat, and then force a surrender, which wins you the battle. It hearkens back to a time when monarchs did lead their troops into battle. Well not with that attitude you don't. Come murderqueen, to my castle-dozer.
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Dirk the Average posted:I was inspired this morning to do a quick sketchup of what that might look like: Thank you for bringing this to life.
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I love how this just pretends other countries with fast food and reasonable minimum wages just don't exist.
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Weatherman posted:JRod you realise this isn't fertile grounds for sowing lolbertarianism, right?  I'm here to watch people putting I also learn a thing or two from the good posts that good posters make in this thread rebutting them! It's a lurking win/win.
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Alctel posted:I don't know who this JRod person is but he sure has a very shaky grasp of history and economics "And what do you call your act?" "The Libertarians!"
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polymathy posted:Who is to say that all the people employed at a very large company are competent to make decisions about high-level capital goods utilization, market research, and all the varied and complex aspects of running a business? Do you think a democratic business model is "all people make all decisions all the time"? EDIT: When I present a recommended course of action to my boss and he says yes it's not because I'm an expert in that area whose judgement he trusts, but because he's in fact an inspired entrepeneur, a visionary of capital who knows all. hooman fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jan 21, 2021 |
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The CIA director would somehow fund a coup inside my own body to transfer executive function from my brain to a sphincter. The libertarian would drop noxious fart after noxious fart slowly poisoning me to death and then be extremely aggrieved when I asked him to stop because I don't own the air and I'm violating the NAP.
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Sephyr posted:Has anyone found any entertaining libertarian takes on the whole Gamespot/Robin Hood/Melvin debacle? Something something, regulation distorting the market, something something, big government overreach, something something actually it's ephebophilia.
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Halloween Jack posted:That's crony capitalism, not real capitalism. Capitalism can never fail, it can only be failed. What's that capital leveraged their power to crush all competitors, establish a monopoly and screw people over? No that's Crony Capitalism, real capitalism would have a DRO to resolve that. What's that your DRO went to war with another DRO as to who controls this turf? No that's Authoritarianism, a real capitalist system would have the NAP enforced by a higher different authority. What's that your higher different authority now has all the powers and functions of a state except with no accountability? No that's a dictatorship, a Capitalist system would have some kind of elected representative body where the capital makes decisions as to who leads the oversight system. What's that capital leveraged their power to crush all competitors, establish an monopoly....
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polymathy posted:Consider a hypothetical example. Imagine the inventor Nikola Tesla had bought a factory to mass produce one of his inventions for public consumption. But consider if the only legal business arrangement was some form of syndicalism or co-op arrangement where each worker had partial ownership of the means of production and thus an equal say in what the factory produced. Why do you assume the workers would be incapable of recognising the value of good ideas? Why do you assume there would be no people there who could assess these and make recommendations to the entire group? Do you know that technical experts do this now and make recommendations to business decision makers? Except that all the profit goes to the shareholders rather than the ones who do the actual work. polymathy posted:Is there not a danger in the syndicalist or co-op model of economics that the rare visionary will be hampered by elevating the say of less talented, less knowledgeable people and subsequently suppressing the more talented and more knowledgeable? Is there not a danger that in the libertarian model of economics that the exact same thing would happen but by a captain of industry? hooman fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Feb 2, 2021 |
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polymathy posted:According to this site... Have you ever worked in a business? Business is *nothing* like a school group project. In a business everyone has skills and are assigned to the tasks that suit those skills. The average worker may not want a management role, in a co-op they would likely assign that role to a management specialist. Do you think the average person is going to be completely incapable of recognizing the genius of others? Why do you assume less smart people are always holding smarter ones back? polymathy posted:The answer I will inevitably get back is that this is not a legitimate contract because the worker doesn't have comparable bargaining power and their choice is really "take this job or starve". How does your society prevent this outcome?
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I mean are we all just going to dunk on J-rod's scores now? I'm a big dum dum, who can't remember the word quiche and keeps having to describe it as an "egg stack pie", I keep farting in the shower and immediately regretting it and then thinking to myself "you regretted last time you farted in the shower too, how have you not learned your lesson yet?" and I got in the 98.4th percentile. I have physics, pure mathematics and mechanical engineering degrees and none of it means loving poo poo. I studied with a bunch of people who were a lot more capable than me in those fields but had lower scores than me in our high school scoring system because the system rewards people who are generally capable rather than specifically brilliant. It also massively biases for wealth and how good of a school you can go to due to scaling. Two of my friends have physics doctorates and work as physicists and are both utterly brilliant and scored considerably lower than I did, due to socioeconomic and testing factors. Did you know research shows that children who learn how to read from their parents prior to entering grade 1 will have an academic advantage over all others that not only never goes away but actually grows over the years? My mum was able to take time off from work because my dad made enough to teach me to read prior to my entry to school, meanwhile parents who are both working minimum wage jobs don't have those opportunities and therefore their kids never get those chances. But hey, your test scores don't correlate to your capability because they're wildly swingy based on the test, your circumstances and your preparation. There's some interesting research that showed being under financial strain crippled you ability to perform in testing. Which is a great little piece of evidence to slot into the "they're poor because they're less capable" when they're actually being crippled by financial stressors. Despite my roaring intellect I did a terrible job at university (shockingly, due to outside factors) but luckily I'm a white guy and my dad knew a guy at a company who got me a vacation work position. I worked very hard at that position and ended up with a career even after my contact left the company, but I never loving forgot that it wasn't loving merit that got me there, it was who I loving knew. In my entire life I have gotten exactly 1 job on merit. The other 6 jobs were based on who I knew. Connections I made at an elite university, what a loving shock. I got into that university because my parents had money to send me to a good school, which I excelled in because my mum had time to teach me to read and support my education when I was growing up. Nothing was due to some inherent superiority in me, and I'm no loving better than any other man on the street. It's almost like the whole system of assessing intelligence is actually assessing a bunch of other factors that aren't "intelligence" and you aren't better than anyone else just because those factors suited you better than they did others. But even if there were some mystical perfect measure of intelligence, some unbiased assessment of brainpower that everyone could take I still wouldn't want the smartest person running the show, I'd want the one who wanted to ensure that nobody ever dies of starvation, exposure or lack of healthcare. Tarezax posted:I got a 2370 on the SAT during that period where it was 3 sections, do I win? You're the smartest, you now rule the thread. My 132 IQ must bow before the might of your 147 IQ. How will you rule the thread wise overlord? My suggestion is from now on you're not allowed to disagree with anyone who has a higher IQ than you, as is the libertarian way. Of course the choice is yours, wouldn't want your inferior underlings dragging you down with a bunch of democratically made decisions. hooman fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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JustJeff88 posted:I had similar yet totally different experiences, if that makes any sense, but I don't want to write about them too much because it makes me so very depressed. I will say that, while I prepared for my A-levels until I had health problems yet had fantastic results, I took the SAT with no prep and scored a 1480 out of 1600. I guarantee that there were many, many people who tried much harder for less numbers. I will also admit that my brief military career was a result of nepotism - I was a good "knowledge worker" but a terrible soldier for a commissioned officer. I applied to two prestigious private universities in the US; one was Ivy League, and I was accepted to both. Having come from the last UK generation where uni was affordable, I was absolutely gobsmacked at the cost. My family wasn't poor, but I could hardly afford that... ironic that I didn't have enough inherent privilege to attend schools that are about elitism and inherent privilege. I'm sorry for your experiences, that sucks my goon. This is the whole loving rub isn't it with libertarianism, they assume that the smartest and hardest working will naturally rise to the top when in fact it's always going to be the currently richest and most priviledged because without that massive defence network of wealth and priviledge all it takes is one bad break, one bad day, one poorly timed illness, one loving thing to entirely derail your life. It's not bad luck that these people who are oh so enamored with their own *sparkling* intellect, it must be that dumb people are holding them back, not the system itself is was built by the wealthy to ensure they stayed that way and that libertarianism is taking that system and turning it up to 11. Verus posted:This is loving hilarious. Hey Jrod, I'm higher on the IQ hierarchy than you according to my test scores, so I order you to stop believing libertarian bullshit. God it's so funny, J-rod you really should have ignored that IQ question, like you do so many others, rather than outing yourself as, by your own measure, the dumbest person in the room.
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Why was Johnson & Johnson selling baby powder for decades with asbestos in? How would the libertarian market have prevented this situation from continuing?
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polymathy posted:I also want to make the point that the casual observer of this thread might be led to believe that libertarians are really just a bunch of paleo-conservatives, closet racists and generally deplorable, disreputable people. This is an unfortunate, and entirely accurate, portrayal of libertarianism. Fixed that for you.
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Alhazred posted:Thread favorite Charles Murray just admitted that he burned crosses when he was younger. Is this the point where jrod can admit he's a racist instead of a "mixed bag"? "But unless he's burned any crosses recently, we can't say for sure if he's racist or not."
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VitalSigns posted:Well without the price cap of $5000/MW-hr, instead of a 10,000% increase we could have gotten a 1,000,000% increase or more which would have cratered demand especially if you got rid of those pesky regulations around not cutting off service in a disaster, allowed companies to require pre-pay etc. The Free Market sez: "You are just going outside and may be some time."
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VitalSigns posted:Oh it does and you can sue Dow Chemical for harming you with their air pollution, if you can trace every molecule of poison you ever inhaled back to their factory specifically and not to the refinery next door or the coal plant or or or, then you can collect your restitution for Dow's particular portion of your injuries Sorry, Dow Chemical <Your Town> LLC shut down years ago and as a result no longer exists and has no assets so even with your judgement against them they cannot pay any liability. All those profits and assets that were passed to Dow Chemical <Other Country> well, it's hardly THEIR fault you got poisoned, that was all the work of Dow Chemical <Your Town>.
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Karl Marx - Collected Shitposts 1845-1855 Now available through Harper Books.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Did the libertarian abandon this thread for good after people started challenging them to take the LSAT? I think it was when Jrod went "everyone should have to agree with people who score better than them on standardised tests" and then realised they had basically the lowest standardised tests scores in the thread. Jrod got dunked on for choosing a measure that was bullshit, and then chaos dunked on for then failing to meet the bullshit bar that they themselves had set.
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The Lone Badger posted:Is that skull pissing into a bottle? That Skull is pissing on libertarianism. That skull knows what the gently caress is up.
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HootTheOwl posted:Like my dad did! Like my dad's slaves did!
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Saw this wonderful accidental self own on facebook: Even the drunk people are like, oh man giving this guy the wheel is a bad loving idea.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the joke is Thatcher. “If nothing else goes right for me in a day, Madame Speaker, I can at least count on the fact that Margaret Thatcher is still dead.” EDIT: ^^^ It's a lifestyle thing, they want to be free to do whatever they please with no consequences, and don't give a poo poo about anyone else's rights to live their own lives. hooman fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is one of those facts I like to use on overbearing paleo and low-carb types. The Roman Empire was built on wheat bread, fish sauce, olive oil, and vegetables. And look what happened to them!
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Rappaport posted:I'm preaching to the choir here, but school lunches are definitely one of the most egalitarian things society can produce. All kids get at least one warm meal per day, which is good for growing kids! I'm not sure how it is now, but at least for awhile there was a sort of synergy benefit here in Finland where the big kitchens that made the food for the kids also made the food for the elderly in care homes and the like, also provided by the awful gubbimint. Hot drat, big, government funded community kitchens preparing food for local areas staffed by local well paid workers sounds like a god drat dream. Old people's homes, schools, community centres, food for the hungry. It sounds so amazing and so much easier than the current plan. gently caress things can be so much better.
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Remember when Jrod said that IQ testing/Standardised testing should be used to sort the populace, claimed that he was smart according to that testing and got entirely ruined by the thread full of self proclaimed idiots all having far higher scores than him? I think that was the unrecoverable L for him. It's a shame, because it was some of the funniest god drat poo poo I have ever seen.
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Weatherman posted:I think it was SAT scores that he got destroyed on, not IQ. For one thing, the thread was pretty united on IQ scores being racialised bullshit. You're right, I was remembering this absolute A+ post. polymathy posted:As far as I recall, I've never had a formal IQ test. Cue a bunch of the thread posting their SATs or equivalent and doing the IQ conversion. Also calling his 1300 SAT gifted....
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Even if we grant the assumption that SAT and IQ tests are both measuring the same thing (they're not and they don't even claim to) and that "intelligence" is a real underlying numerical trait everyone has that can be measured in the first place (it isn't), a quick lookup shows that a 1300 on the SAT is an 86th percentile score*. On an IQ test, by the way the tests are calibrated, an 86th percentile score is 115, which is below the range he claimed he'd probably be in. This dumbass genuinely thought scoring one standard deviation above the mean on one test meant he would score two standard deviations above the mean on another test, and thought this stupid claim would make him look smart. Yeah this whole exchange followed a discussion where everyone in the thread laughed at him and tried to point out that IQ testing was inherently flawed and stupid along with all other standardised testing which was much more about testing social, class and cultural status than actually measures of "learning ability". Then, when he refused to listen, we replied with: "Fine, prove it, post yr scores then". And of course, being a big brained genius who was entirely too certain of his own intellect, he did. Which, as you very accurately point out, lol, lmao. VitalSigns posted:The actual reason that Branden broke with her is because she excommunicated him for banging a hot model instead of continuing his extramarital affair with Ayn (and she swore everyone involved to secrecy and just told the wider cult that he was evil and don't ask any questions.) Lets go Branden. hooman fucked around with this message at 03:20 on May 5, 2023 |
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Panfilo posted:Libertarians have been rather Interestingly the "marxism" and "woke" words were what helped me start the process of deradicalisation of a friend of mine. He's a nice guy and holds a lot of the same moral views that I do but he's big into crypto and through exposure to that community ended up very libertarian. Which was interesting because his desired goals were rather progressive he'd just been infected with a whole bunch of right wing talking points and propoganda. He's kind of the theoretical libertarian who believes in the principles rather than it being a convenient excuse for getting the things he wants. I had been gently challenging him on those words asking him for clear definitions, when he used them. I tried not to be aggro about it and just said to him "I'm not quite undersatnding what you mean because when you use that word in that context it doesn't really make sense to me". When he finally provided them (through a link to a libertarian podcast, muddied as hell because words have no meanings to these assholes) I was able to compare and contrast what they said to some actual definitions. Gave him where "woke" originally came from and what "marxism" actually was. Linked him to a podcast from a self described Marxist economist who made a heap of points he strongly agreed with which kind of broke the spell and had him questioning what he was hearing about "marxism" and "wokeism". He's a guy who I like and have known for quite a while and it was a lot of work to slowly try to break through the thought terminating cliches he had to try and pull him back from that radicalisation, so it's certainly not a fix all but I think just identifying that when they use these words it's a stand in for "bad thing" you can start to get people to see through the bullshit.
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about this lately. It's their ultimate gotcha to why we're not in a free market-nefarious WOKE government gatekeepers are pressuring companies into conforming to the leftist agenda! Also, according to this Libertarian, woke was was a term "Co opted from the black community by gender activists infected with Neo Marxism. " 
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Rappaport posted:I'm just rules-lawyering for the fun of it, as Ghost Leviathan says we're thinking about this more than libertarians ever will, but would this run afoul of the NAP? Like, does this count as coercion in the first place for libertarian thought, and is coercion against the NAP? It's perfectly fine by them to sell children against their will since children are dependents, so that's definitely coercion towards the child to a normal human mind, but is the child just an object in relation to the NAP in all this? Whereas the car accident victim libertarian is, presumably, a participant in the NAP and thus counts as a "human being" while the child in the previous example does not, for the purposes of the NAP. The great thing is, it's not coercion, you're free to do whatever you choose, I'm not forcing you to do anything, all I'm doing is setting a market price on the blood. It's *my* blood after all, I can charge whatever price *I* choose for it, if I wanted to I could just not sell it at all! If the price happens to be your indentured servitude forever, well, you can go buy blood elsewhere I guess (note: you can not buy blood elsewhere).
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) beating some dude trying to get him to confess to raping someone (I assume rape is against the NAP), because he's fundamentally the figure standing in the background of that libertopiacartoon; maybe it should be the rape victim beating a confession out of their attacker, since the state should only exist to enforce contracts and everything else is up to the libertarian individuals? This is all incredibly silly, but that's what this thread is about.
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VitalSigns posted:Whether it's freedom or slavery depends on which side of the transaction the libertarian is on. Libertarians sowing: Hahah, gently caress yeah!!! Freedom!! Libertarians reaping: Well this loving sucks. What the gently caress. Slavery! Venomous posted:bears repeating The fundamental state of libertarian projects.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:it's true, demand is elastic and if you give out free healthcare then my economics curves say everyone will take infinity healthcares Yep, that's why in every country where it is still free to go to the GP or the hospital when you are sick, literally every single person lives in a medical clinic or hospital. I'm posting from the hospital right now. I'm having a second gall bladder put in, they're going to take it back out next week and put it in someone else. How many lungs do you think is too many? I've got 5, but I'm thinking of adding a 6th. EDIT: I mean if getting septicemia didn't result in a choice between bankrupty or death, everyone would be getting it all the time, for fun.
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1693977828943938038?t=EyG0q_9SL5Oyf3z7X_NaPA&s=19 I mean, you could make a case that slavery and enforcement of debts derive from similar capitalist forces. But in that case if you were pro emancipation, you would also be pro debt forgiveness, which I suspect is exactly the opposite position of libertarians.
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It's kind of the difference between the idealist libertarian, and the lifestyle libertarian. The first is a phase that nearly all leftists go through, and then realise the contradictions as we try to marry the ideal world of everyone's liberty to the real world of economic, social and physical coercion and the inevitable social outcomes of no governmental apparatus (warlords). They think it through they end up drawing conclusions that you need some state in some form but also need strict regulations on the power it, and businesses and individuals can wield in controlling it and end up a flavour of leftist. If you're especially dumb, or priviledged enough to never be exposed to material reality you can kind of stay here in a cloud of naive but ultimately well meaning weirdness. These are the libertarians who are pro abortion rights, LGBTQ+ rights, anti-disenfranchisement etc. The second type are people for whom libertarianism isn't an actual philosophy but is instead a practical representation of "I get to do whatever I want, and you can't do anything I don't like". These people are assholes who use libertarianism (or rights) to justify whatever they personally want to do, but have no committment to the rights of others to do things that they want to do. There is no theoretical basis in maximising liberty, and pointing out any contradictions is pointless because they don't care, they just call their entirely narcissistic philosophy libertarian because they are only interested in maintaining their lifestyle and have no interest in the theoretical rights or liberties of others. I miss JROD because they were the first kind, entirely convinced that their positions would make things better for everyone and kept having brain meltdowns when it got pointed out that the people they were quoting were race scientists and nazis because they couldn't square the circle of being a type 1 libertarian with libertarian thought leaders being mostly type 2.
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It was mentioned before, but the Penn Jilette full quote on leaving libertarianism is actually pretty funny.Penn Jilette posted:My idea of libertarianism was responsibility for others. That was the most important part. I wanted to trust people to take care of each other and not use force. Libertarianism from my point of view was almost a pathological optimism and a love for people. It was complete and utter lack of cynicism. I am not a cynical person. I am crazily optimistic, and I saw people using that same word, "libertarian," to mean I don't care about other people, I don't have responsibility. People who cannot see the difference between "I don't want to wear a seat belt," which I can make an argument for, you should have that right, and "I'm going to drive drunk," which I don't think anybody can make an argument for that you have that right‑‑and when masks came along‑‑I mean, there was actually a moment. I mean, I‑‑actually a moment that happened, which is during the lockdown, I get an email from someone in the libertarian movement that said, "We're doing anti‑mask rallies in Vegas, and of course, we assume you'll be leading them." Libertarian finally acquires third brain cell and becomes Socialist.
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Discendo Vox posted:Apartment buildings, liquor stores, check cashing places and public transportation? That's a wild fuckin' list of locations with radically variable ramifications. Yeah, being able to buy booze somewhere, and get around while drunk are good things that I enjoy.
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