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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Schooling seems like a better example of de facto segregation to me.

# ¿ May 28, 2014 15:05

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 15:27

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Rowling's a big supporter of the welfare state and says without it she couldn't have written Harry Potter. She's also happy to pay taxes back to support the system.

She's a fairly bad example for them to pick.

E: VVVV Yeah, but you bothered to get the quotes.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 04:10 on May 30, 2014

# ¿ May 30, 2014 04:07

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Daktar posted:

How many seasteading proposals have there been now?

That article is 3 years old, so it's probably the same one you heard about before.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2014 13:37

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Is the 3rd one being made?

# ¿ Jun 2, 2014 10:20

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Nessus posted:

I think the third film has a major problem that they are required to include, without abridgement, that humdinger of a speech from the end of the book.

Reminder that in Atlas Shrugged the only way Galt gets people to listen to his speech is to give them no other option.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2014 14:03

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

800peepee51doodoo posted:

So I'd never actually thought about this too much before but doesn't the NAP basically destroy the concept of private property? Like, if the one rule is that you can't initiate force, how exactly would you be able to kick people off your land if they are just peacefully hanging out? They arent initiating force against you so I guess your hands are tied.

That's why they redefine the phrase "initiate force".

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 03:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Dr. Stab posted:

So then when the police arrest you for living in their country and not paying taxes, that's aggression because...?

Taxes are theft, police are thugs, etc.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 04:49

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

A while back (possibly from a link in this thread) I read a multi-part "interview" with Hoppe that was compiled from quotes and writings he'd done. I've been trying to find it again with no success; anybody know what I'm talking about?

# ¿ Aug 20, 2014 02:30

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

ErIog posted:

The lack of rigor in the Laffer curve is astounding. It's 2 points on a graph, and then a line between them that may as well spell in cursive. That would be just as rigorous as the actual Laffer curve.

And at least one of those points is wrong. An economy with 100% tax rate wouldn't have 0 revenue, it'd be a form of command economy.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 04:23

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Vahakyla posted:

The other one is, too. There are government owned corporations, central bank revene and what not.

Having a tax rate of zero would still not be zero revenue if the government has a share in every business.

Yup.

I also wonder what the "Laffer curve" would look like for a consumption tax (aside from being obvious bullshit).

# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 05:05

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

jrodefeld posted:

Why would labor services be categorically different from any other product that is sold on the market?

Because Playstations don't starve and die if nobody buys them.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2014 07:01

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

jrodefeld posted:

True, but that doesn't explain why the same economic laws don't apply for a product that is offered to consumers and labor services that are offered to employers.

A Playstation doesn't have to choose between being bought and starving. Society has no moral obligation to ensure the Playstation is sold, but (I think) it does have an obligation to ensure that people do not starve.

The issue isn't whether the same economic laws apply but whether those outcomes are morally acceptable.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2014 08:25

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

jrodefeld posted:

It was only Mises and his followers who pointed out the errors of Marx and of Socialist central planning. Fifty years later the Sovient Union collapsed, discrediting Communism and proving the Austrian particularly prescient. Furthermore it was the contributions of Mises, especially his work on the theory of the business cycle which allowed the Austrian adherents to correctly predict with startling accuracy every major economic crises for the past eighty years.

And every prediction that was wrong can be ignored because Praexology says that empirical evidence doesn't prove anything.

# ¿ Sep 30, 2014 11:22

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Whose property rights is a coal-fired power plant violating?

# ¿ Sep 30, 2014 13:47

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

AlternateAccount posted:

Holy poo poo, the level of deliberate obtuseness in this thread is loving staggering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

"NAP is the foundation of libertarian philosophy."

Aside from relying on a twisted, obtuse definition of aggression and violence it's still only an abstract principle. The existence of the 5th Commandment hasn't prevented Christians from killing people.

quote:

Do you really think the average libertarian is an advocate for children as property?

I think some of the people libertarians cite as being influential intellectuals do.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2014 16:05

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

wateroverfire posted:

Well, 1) JRod is trolling the poo poo out of this thread and has sat back to watch the show (I imagine)

If JRod's trolling it's been an incredibly long act, and one done across other forums too.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2014 16:28

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

DarklyDreaming posted:

The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith. It's a book about a cop who falls through a dimensional portal into an alternate universe where George Washington got killed during the Whiskey Rebellion and thus America became a free-er Ancap paradise. It's several hundred pages of "Libertarianism=utopia" delivered in the most annoying way possible.

Fun fact: The book won a Prometheus Award, a prize given for science fiction that exemplifies Libertarian ~~propaganda~~ philosophy. The award was created by and presided over by L. Neil Smith

L Neil Smith is also "famous" for writing a bunch of Lando Calrissian books.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 05:04

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Baronjutter posted:

Is fish mech guy this "nintendo kid" who posts really pedantic arguments in every single thread in every single sub-forum on all of SA and is the god-expert on every subject imaginable and is really sick and tired of people being wrong on the internet to the point that he'll spend hours misinterpreting what you said in a way that lets him be correcting you on some point you may not have been even making?

Yeah, and it's hilarious when he makes some really loving obvious mistake (like suggesting Iraq is near Australia).

# ¿ Sep 16, 2015 01:11

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Guess who's back

# ¿ Oct 9, 2015 14:28

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

reignonyourparade posted:

What is "I do not consent to this joinder" even supposed to MEAN?

gently caress you, you can't make me.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2015 12:03

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

reignonyourparade posted:

No I get that's what it ACTUALLY means, but what do they THINK they're saying?

""I do not consent to this joinder" is a sovereign citizen saying that they aren't allowing the government to link their legal personage to their physical body.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2015 12:10

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

QuarkJets posted:

This is an important point; all sorts of idiotic libertarian ideas start from a reasonable statement (such as "humans act" or "everyone owns themselves"), and then fuzzy terminology is used in order to reach some preconceived conclusion ("humans act, therefore it should be okay to gently caress preteens" or "everyone owns themselves, and the fruits of their labor, therefore taxation is slavery").

Libertarians take words like "aggression", "ownership", and "action", define them to have a meaning other than common parlance, and then mix usage of their version of the word with the common version of the word.

They're mixing their labour with the language in an attempt to take ownership of it? That sounds familiar...

# ¿ Dec 15, 2015 02:36

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

At least they still think the Empire are the baddies.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2015 07:00

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Woolie Wool posted:

If only individuals can own property, we must ban corporations and destroy capitalism in the name of property rights.

Also the fact that jrodefeld sells stolen poo poo for a living is absolutely perfect.

I think he's said he doesn't believe in intellectual property rights.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2016 03:33

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I see the thread title is accurate again.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2016 04:10

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

GunnerJ posted:

I saw him in the hallway and I thought about it, but I was like... why ruin a guy's good day? He seemed to be enjoying life so I decided against it.

Sometimes a good rant can be cathartic though.

I mean, there's a reason this thread exists long after Jrod stopped posting.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2016 09:51

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ron Jeremy posted:

What is robocop a filter word for?

Skeleton.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2016 09:59

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

VioletCorsica posted:

Edit3: are FishMech and NintendoKid the same person? I don't get it.

Yes.

# ¿ Jul 24, 2016 04:23

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Nitrousoxide posted:

Because of the price floor yes. That's the problem.

Why is it a problem?

# ¿ Aug 19, 2016 04:26

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

This has a bunch of useful discussion and links too

Some studies that did find an increase in unemployment did attribute it to an increase in the participation rate, ie more people started looking for work.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2016 05:15

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Sulphuric rear end in a top hat posted:

On another note: I am interested in how people come to the conclusion that libertarianism is equivalent to feudalism. It honestly seems to me like a strawman in much the same way I've seen conservatives strawman socialism as being equivalent to fascism.

I don't think it's fair to say all libertarians want a system that resembles feudalism, but some (like HHH) explicitly do.

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I don't think that we, in the Western world, can go back to clans and tribes. The modern, democratic state has destroyed clans and tribes and their hierarchical structures, because they stood in the way of the state's drive toward absolute power. With clans and tribes gone, we must try it with the model of a private law-society that I have described. But wherever traditional, hierarchical clan and tribe structures still exist, they should be supported; and attempts to "modernize" "archaic" justice systems along Western lines should be viewed with utmost suspicion.

And if you want a longer version of the same dumb poo poo, here it is.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 19, 2016

# ¿ Oct 19, 2016 14:16

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Per capita public (ie government) spending on healthcare in America is some of the highest in the OECD, it's just it has to work within an appallingly designed system and so is incredibly uneconomical.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2016 02:23

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Anyone who calls Batman an insane libertarian is a moron

Frank Miller posted:

Politics has shaped Dark Knight and informed a lot of your work. Any thoughts about the presidential campaigns? Are you following them?

Only for humor's sake. It's a little early to take it seriously. I think it's going to be a great time to be a cartoonist. You can't come up with a greater buffoon than Donald Trump. The fact that he thinks he can be president of the United States is one the best jokes I've read in a long time. At least I hope.

Some have said you turned Batman into a fascist. Agree?

Anybody who thinks Batman was fascist should study their politics. The Dark Knight, if anything, would be a libertarian. The fascists tell people how to live. Batman just tells criminals to stop.

I agree with you because wow did Miller jump off the deep end a while back.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 21:11

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

It's really hard to read the Adam West Batman show as a revenge story.

# ¿ Mar 14, 2017 21:59

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

paragon1 posted:

My main point here is that stating that the peasantry largely didn't suffer in pre-19th century warfare isn't just wrong, it was often pretty much the opposite of reality.

If you search for "Sack of Rome" you get a disambiguation page because it's happened half a dozen times.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2017 08:17

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Goon Danton posted:

I'll be honest, Social Contract theory always kinda skeezed me out because there's no other context I can think of where "implied consent" would ever fly. "You would agree to this if I gave you a chance to and you weren't so irrational" is an argument that could have troubling consequences down the line.

First aiders have implied consent (and that is the term used) to give CPR etc to unconscious casualties.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2017 01:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WrenP-Complete posted:

https://twitter.com/ElectBetterUSA/status/909991949289033728

Spoiler alert: Ranked choice voting.

Well it'd be a good step at least.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2017 08:05

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

You don't understand what Net Neutrality is. They can already charge more for using more. Net Neutrality means they can't charge more for the same amount of usage depending on what it's used for, and they can't intentionally slow down certain types of traffic (users already pay for speed).

And there isn't a chance in hell abolishing NN rules decreases people's bills.

I'm not sure you get Lottery of Babylon.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2017 05:39

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

OwlFancier posted:

Cingulate, really, look up praxeology, it is trivially refutable.

The best bit is that according to praxeology you don't even need to know what it is to dismiss it since evidence is for the weak.

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 15:27

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Cingulate posted:

I don't understand what Praxeology is, nor do I really care.

You asked for an example of libertarian thinking that was trivially wrong and when you got an answer you suddenly fall back in disingenuous bullshit like this.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2018 02:56

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