WhiteWolf123 posted:

God I hope so.

I don't think they can make them good again, because the assault rules are terrible and now people can flamer my orks when they're in Trukks/Battlewagons. But maybe they can make them cheaper. That would be okay with me.

Squifferific posted:

Heavy vehicles: "Heavy vehicles can never move faster than Combat Speed and can never move Flat Out....For the purposes of determining which weapons a Heavy vehicle can fire (and at what Ballistic Skill), Heavy vehicles are always treated as having remained Stationary."

Stationary shooting: "A vehicle that remained Stationary can fire all of its weapons (remember that pivoting on the spot does not count as moving)."

Ordnance Weapons and Vehicles: "Unlike other units, vehicles can move and fire with Ordnance weapons. However, a vehicle that fires an Ordnance weapon can only make Snap Shots with its other weapons that turn. A vehicle that moved at Cruising Speed can still Snap Shoot Ordnance, but of course, cannot fire any Ordnance weapon that cannot be fired as Snap Shots."

I was curious too so I looked it up. Looks like you can move that tank 6" and fire the battle cannon no problem, but everything else is a Snap Shot.

Esser-Z posted:

I mean, it's not like all Orks have the same proportions anyway!

Sulecrist posted:

I run (Salamanders) 7x Sternguard with 2x Heavy Flamers and a master-crafted Combi-Melta and Melta Bombs on the character. I'm not sure how optimized it is but it's a ton of fun and I have had a lot of success with it. I haven't figured out consistently good Specialist traits, though, and 7 bodies is not a ton.

My new Kill Team is probably going to be some combination of Kommandos and Boyz, but I'm waiting for the new Codex before I lock in, and I talked about fluff like two pages ago so I won't rehash. By the way, whoever said "Orklipse": thank you, that's awesome.

LordAba posted:

What about the grots? Sure, orks have problems but they never know the fear of being killed by their own weapon or of the smaller ones accidentally sucked up by a shok attack gun.

#YesAllGrots

The Gate posted:

Yeah, basically. The enemy team had squads of 3 basic grunts (Tac Marines, Necron Warriors, Guardsmen, etc), with the starting number being determined by the army, Marines had fewer squads than IG for example. Then you had a small point allotment to spend on a boss guy.

The Kill Team had a point limit and certain "hard" and "soft" rules they had to follow. Hard rules (IIRC things like no HQ or psykers, no MC's) could never be broken. Soft rules (no 3+ shot guns, no heavy guns, no 3+ wound models) could be broken, but gave the enemy more mook squads and more points to spend of the boss.

Game started, units moved randomly and had limited "view". As the KT did noisy stuff like firing guns, assaulting and not wiping a team, using jump packs, alarm counters built up and increased view distance, and there was some sort of mechanic to fight over control of the movement of the mooks. If the KT was ever spotted, the defender got full control of the mooks and could swarm the KT. There were a bunch of scenarios and objectives, it was pretty cool.

Then they turned it into a rehash of 40k in 40 Minutes. Woo.


Edit: As I recall you could take a kill team of like 4 Deathwing, which each broke 2 rules (2+ armor and an invul save) at least. Try and just brute force through since you basically gave the enemy team a shitload of mooks and a super-badass boss from all the extra points. All sorts of fun stuff.

OB_Juan posted:

The Orks only use one hashtag.

#WAAAGH!

SRM posted:

Them's some good lookin Grey Knights, but god drat that mud is awesome. The weathering on the troops is good but the mud stuck to those tank treads looks so right, like the Grey Knights were called to fight on a daemon world made entirely of chocolate cake.

Post 9-11 User posted:

What's the sound of a Tau player going against a list an army that is four Imperial Knights?

"Sigh..."

Dude somehow got two 3+ invulnerables. Luckily, he's still terrible at the game and sat back shooting rather than just charging first turn and tabling the poor bastard. Fortunately, Jesse is really relaxed when he plays, doesn't even bat an eye when one of the Knights blows up, or when his thermal cannon scattered back onto his own Knight.

Pierzak posted:

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Post 9-11 User posted:

Would it surprise you that my ex-fiancee's mom is also insane? She sent her a home made birthday card last year, made with Crayola marker. She drew party balloons on it and wrote underneath:

(Balloons, not spermies)

ANAmal.net posted:

In his defense, one time I almost spent like $900 on ForgeWorld in one go (the only reason I didn't, is I was too drunk to put in my credit card info correctly).

WhiteOutMouse posted:

Karandras posted:

If you're looking for Guard Allies you could take your Death Company (troops choice) and Chaplain (Elite or HQ), as a thematic and pretty killy unit. The Death Co have rage, FNP and reroll to hit and wound on the charge with the Chaplain. Then one or two of whatever else interests you. Tac Squads aren't that useful if you're guard, but if you stick the assault squad full of melta it could be a neat option to storm troopers, as Blood Angels get deep strike rerolls.

I hear old metal dreads are best used for throwing during games store tantrums

LordAba posted:

Too bad terminators don't wear terminator armor.

AbusePuppy posted:

Remember that if a barrage weapon can't see its target or is inside its minimum range, you won't get to subtract your Ballistic Skill from the scatter distance.

ghetto wormhole posted:

Next time just ask literally anyone else in the room because that's a really basic rule.

AbusePuppy posted:

Sort of. 7E changed the terminology and stuff somewhat; also, I got it slightly wrong above because the Barrage rules are confusing and keep changing. If you can see your target, you get to subtract your BS from the scatter roll- i.e. the old "direct fire" mode. However, cover (and casualty removal) still happens from the center of the blast marker in this case. If you can't see your target and they are not within your minimum range, you are still allowed to fire, but you don't subtract your BS in this case.

So inside your minimum range, you can only "direct fire" barrage weapons.

And no, barrage weapons don't always scatter. The person may have either been thinking of certain specific weapons (Orbital Bombardments, for example, which are barrage weapons but have additional rules about scattering) or some of the older-edition rules. Or they were just a cheater.

Cataphract posted:

So, paladins lose objective secured... they can still score, are still tough as nails and now get cheaper FNP. If you want to you can still run an all paladin force as unbound. And, if you really want those models to be objective secured you can just use them as regular terminators.

And psyboltt was stupid and incredibly frustrating to play against; the fact that you could make a pair of twin linked autocannons str 8 for 5 points was pretty ludicrous.

It's become clear that force org manipulation is out... which, honestly, is not a big deal because everything scores now and you can take whatever models you like in an unbound army or across multiple CADs.

panascope posted:

largest war machines piloted by a guy in a bathtub.

panascope posted:

Hail Satan.

Moola posted:

I am literally shaking.

BULBASAUR posted:

In fact, you can do everything you want! You could almost say that the force org has become... unbound! How exciting!

Foul Ole Ron posted:

I am playing daemons against grey knihht tomorrow, what can I expect from the new changes ?

The Sex Cannon posted:

Guys, I might be bad at this whole Warhammer thing.

BULBASAUR posted:

Template weapons?

AbusePuppy posted:

Well, Necrons are actually in a pretty good place for dealing with Invisible stuff for a number of reasons. Tesla has been brought up already, but it bears repeating: Necrons have a lot of twin-linked Tesla, which barely suffers any penalty at all when it comes to shooting Invisible units. (Note that the Arc rule will also affect them normally, as it doesn't roll to hit.) Overlords are also a great way to put some damage in- the Sweep Attack rule, because it is neither a shooting nor close combat attack, will hit normally and also bypasses that obnoxious cover save they inevitably have. Similarly, in close combat Mindshackle Scarabs don't care how impossible it is to see you, they simply cause the enemy to autohit themselves.

AbusePuppy posted:

One common change that many groups play with is having Invisibility reduce enemies to WS1/BS1 when attacking, rather than forcing hit on 6s/snap shots; it makes the power a lot more fair and lets the weapons you would think would be most effective, i.e. area effect ones like flamers and blasts, do their job.

Hencoe posted:

Also doom scythe death lasers, since there is no target, there is no snap shot.
There is also no jink. (this is still necron v invisible dudes right?)

Direwolf posted:

Meanwhile, my rinky dink Spiritseer just ran around with the Telepathy Primaris and killed a jetbike squad, a Dark Reaper squad and Maugen Ra. Bring back purchased powers!

Fix posted:

I cast invisibility on my vortex missile battery strongpoint in a game last night just as it was down to its final hull point, but it got blowed up anyway when a nearby vindicator shot the psyker squad that had cast the spell and were thusly standing high in the air on its invisible battlements. One of the stray missiles that got detonated upon its destruction scattered perfectly to clip both of my Deathstrike launchers.

That unit is an unending well of comedy.

BULBASAUR posted:

I can think of one good troll against a space wizard army: word bearers with a navigator:

-Enemy Psykers taking Perils of the Warp automatically suffer Instant Death
-All Psykers, friend or foe, roll three dice and discard the lowest result for the purposes of determining Perils of the Warp results

But yeah invisibility is silly

Hollismason posted:

Just in general, was wondering if anyone was going for Summoning.

Squifferific posted:

I did a dangerous thing and I started playing around in Battlescribe with the new Grey Knights list. Then I went to see prices online. The Vanguard box is $260CAN, has $323 worth of models in it, and can be found at my friendly online retailer for $195.

Then I thought of the 40+ infantry and six tanks I still have to paint for my Guard army. ONE ARMY AT A TIME.

Master Twig posted:

After 9 days and using pretty much all of my free time on it, I got the Hive Knight completed. I know it's not perfect, but I love it dearly.

Master Twig posted:

I was just reading the Renegade GT rules about army building, and they have at the bottom this paragraph.

"Units Generated during the game that were not purchased as part of a player’s army list (e.g. Tyranid Tervigons spawning Termagaunts or the Chaos Daemons Portaglyph summoning daemons, or Conjuration Powers) are considered part of the owning player’s army, but not any specific Detachment. This means they do not benefit from any Command Benefits of any of the Detachments included in the army (including Objective Secured)."

In regards to the Tervigon/Termagants, this seems like a really bad interpretation of the rules to me. The Tyranid Rulebook, on page 48, Spawn Termagants, second paragraph reads: "A unit spawned by a Tervigon is identical in every way to a Termagant unit chosen from the Troops section of the army list, an is treated as such for all mission special rules."

They're saying because it says "the army list" and not "the Tyranid detachment" that the spawned gaunts wouldn't count as part of the detachment, and not get OS. My interpretation is that it would count as having purchased gaunts from the same detachment as the Tervigon, and they would have Objective Secured, because they would be "Identical in every way."

Has anyone seen anyone else try to argue this? I've never had anyone interpret it any other way, but here a GT has gone completely against what I think would be the correct interpretation of the rules. Am I just being pedantic to favor my army?

Tuxedo Jack posted:

http://www.torrentoffire.com/5934/the-meta-post-nova

Interesting numbers, if you're into that sort of thing. The poor performance of IG has me second guessing myself for LVO in February. I'm not going to chase the meta, but goddamn...

Direwolf posted:

Wa ha

Genghis Cohen posted:

A few things on that list:

If your opponent is running a pretty hard list like that against you, there will be problems.

Command squad, fine, the main issue is your plan for it - are there infantry units heavily equipped enough for it to be giving orders to? I didn't even give mine any weapons last time, as it is better off out of LoS. Why offer your opponent the warlord point?

Lord Commissar, why are you taking him? His combat ability is negligible against an army like chaos, so a regular commissar gives your squad the same morale benefit for 25 pts.

Infantry: Here is where I disagree with your list. What do you envision using krak grenades for? Because they seem limited use against this kind of opposition. Why flamers and grenade launchers? What you need is plasma, or to a lesser extent melta, to do wounds to high T targets. Autocannons are ok, consider lascannons as well.

Vendettas are fine.

Tanks - never take weapon upgrades on a leman russ or demolisher, because the turret weapon is ordnance they can only snap fire those hull weapons when firing the turret. Overall the ordnance ones are considered less useful, and this is certainly the case against the targets you are describing. Consider punishers or exterminators instead. Maybe a demolisher to double out his spawn. Do not run them in a squadron, you are giving up flexibility and exposing yourself more to enemy fire for no benefit.