Arbite posted:

So did Dark Eldar gain anything from this new edition? Well, anything apart from being able to take stuff that isn't Dark Eldar?

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Escalation and Superheavies have been officially rolled into the standard FOC, so yep. I hope you brought your Baneblade!

SRM posted:

"We can't stop here, this is bat flying manta ray country!"

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Well Nids seem to be one of the big winners with 7th Ed so here's my take at 1850:

Hollismason posted:

Grey Knights are weird right now, aren't they still a 5th edition book and 6th edition added in what Psychic Disciplines they actually have access to? I am not familiar with the whole issue with them. I know someone brought it up that Grey Knights lost their ability to get Divination now or something to that effect because of the change from 6th to 7th.

I do know that because their vehicles count as ML1 , then that adds Warp Charge to your army so if you have a decent number of vehicles you get more Warp Charge.

Also, you can fire Witchfire and still fire in the Shooting phase.

Sanctic has a kind of lovely except against Daemons psychic power so that kind of blows but really you just want to roll on it to get loving vortex.

Fix posted:

Grey knights were designed for 6th, iirc. They had non-independent characters and brotherhood of psykers and all kinds of things that seemed strange at the time.

Hollismason posted:

Um... I think Grey Knight Rhinos can cast Vortex and other Sanctic powers. I have to investigate this further. The rulebook gave all psykers access to Daemonology, Psychic Pilot counts as a ML1 psyker, previously the only Psychic power available to them was Fortitude. The reason they couldn't take any Disciplines before or any other powers and had to take Fortitude was that that was all that was available to them. Now they have access to Fortitude and Daemonology.

Hollismason posted:

Until it's FAQ or working as intended, probably. I can't find anything in the main rulebook, in fact it says vehicles can use psychic powers and that Psychic Pilots count as Psykers, and Psychic Pilots for Greyknights count as ML1. Previously they had access only to the Psychic Power : Fortitude. Now the Psychic Powers they have access to are Fortitude, Daemonology : Sanctic.

I'm argue about it elsewhere I'm sure there is something that stops this.

Hollismason posted:

It's in the 7th BRB, all Psykers can choose Daemonology but Grey Knights can only choose Sanctic, Daemons only Malefic. No other charts though.

Squifferific posted:

I don't suppose anyone has any idea how Shadow in the Warp is supposed to work? Are we just going to have to wait for a FAQ? Near as I can tell, a -3 penalty to Leadership in the old Psychic rules is kind of (?) the same as requiring 5s instead of 4s on a test now.

This is based purely on nothing at all, and I have zero math to support this.

Bavius posted:

So I hear alot about this daemon summoning daemon poo poo, but what about land raiders filled with bloodthirsters? I want to see the coolest combos (not necessarily the cheesiest) that battle brother transports allow now.

Cataphract posted:

So does the new smash attack rule mean you also forgo your bonus attacks for charging of for having additional CC weapons.

The 6th version said you halved your attack characteristic but the wording of 7th version says you can make a single smash attack and I spose it is somewhat ambiguous.

Lungboy posted:

This is what I was expecting to see in the main book from the wording in the Combined Arms detachment. Having new ones in extra books makes sense, but is a little disappointing.

serious gaylord posted:

All of the FAQ's are up.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faqs-and-errata.html

Tyranid Errata/FAQ posted:

FAQ: none

SRM posted:

I don't mind seeing Heldrakes taken down a peg personally. They're probably still pretty dangerous, just not as much so. I don't like that the new FAQs invalidated Space Wolves and Blood Angels psychic powers though. They're all generated from the rulebook now. It makes sense for consistency's sake and it's just a stopgap, but it kinda bites in the interim.
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Germ posted:

As a Chaos player, I'm totally fine with the Heldrake nerf. A significant drop in power, but it's still a really useful model for the points.

What I can't believe is that Shadows in the Warp is left unchanged (and therefore, useless). Then again, I reckon Tyranids getting shafted should really stop surprising me.

Icon Of Sin posted:

I don't think you understand the people that play this game, or the target audience of those videos.

Hollismason posted:

Anyone else see that GW reversed the whole Heldrake has 360 degree thing back to having Hull Mounted. Lotta tears over that one. Also I like that they gave Orks a FAQ even though their book is out in a few weeks. Sisters got nothing though .

Oh and Space Wolves apparently lost all of their Psychic Powers.

Hollismason posted:

Greyknights kind of got a bit of a buff honestly with being able to take Biomancy, I don't think they previously could. All their units are Psykers so they'll always get a good amount of Warp Charge.

BULBASAUR posted:

I like random objectives and the idea behind mission cards. I bet there's some nice middle ground you can house rule to play for beerhammer.

Tequila Ranger posted:

The old Grey Knight Hammerhand power explicitly could be stacked, can the new +2 Str Sanctic Hammerhand stack as well? Nemesis Halberds being S8 AP3 hitting at Init 6 sounds hilarious.

BULBASAUR posted:

Dropzone Commander uses something similar in the form of tactics/command cards. Your HQ basically has several 1 time use abilities you can activate during a turn. Better HQs have more abilities they can purchase or use more of them etc.

Game design is entirely outside the realm of GW's incapable staff, however.

AbusePuppy posted:

In your case? Because of the passive-aggressive, snippy things you constantly say about competitive players. I know I'm not the only one who finds it incredibly tiresome.

Tuxedo Jack posted:

I'm with you, there. But my gaming group is in love with the cards for some reason. I feel like a sourpuss because they seem unbalanced to me, but the rest of the group disagrees.

The argument one guy made to me was, "It gives Dave a chance," - Dave being our awful player. I don't mind balancing so Dave has a chance, but making the entire game rely on a card draw goes a little too far.

Mango Polo posted:

Warhammer: Blue Shell Edition.

Tuxedo Jack posted:

The cards remove any strategy you would normally take from turn to turn in a mission, and the game becomes "Simon Says" based on the cards, rewards irreverent unit behavior over a cohesive strategy.

Lord Of Texas posted:

I don't mean to be a dick, but when your examples include sinkholes (!!!) and the entire unit spraining their ankles simultaneously, I think it's fair to assess that you are rationalizing, not supporting your point.

Tuxedo Jack posted:

If we get mod approval, would anyone be interested in a thread for a 40k House Rules Edition?

Hollismason posted:

If you had like 1 a turn or 2 a turn it'd be fine, trying them out with Necrons I've lost every game, I can't keep up to slow. Played a game where I lost by 12, just nothing you can do.

twistedmentat posted:

Though I don't think too many armies can really go nuts with psykers; tyranids and eldar seem the ones to watch out for.

AbusePuppy posted:

Just to point out, you do not place the Escape Hatch until a model embarks onto the building, so no shenanigans in that respect.

PeterWeller posted:

I get you, but I do think there should be a fluffy reason why stuff happens. As I have said, the mechanics codify and model the fluff. But that said, fluff shouldn't be an excuse for poor rules, and fluff should be compromised when it gets in the way of good and fun rules. A good example of the latter is how poor marines are in the rules compared to how they are portrayed in the fluff because if they were up to fluff snuff, they would simply roll over everything else.

jng2058 posted:

What we're playing on the battlefield every time we play 40k with Marines in it is when something's gone wrong, because Marines don't want to be in a fight that's 1850 vs 1850. They want to have 1850 in Marines vs 500 in very surprised Orks. If you're fighting 1850 vs 1850 it means the situation is so desperate that an even odds fight is the best they can manage, or they're fighting someone as good. Like Chaos Marines with ten thousand years of experience, say. Or some Eldar muthafucka who looks into the future and gets there first. Or there are so many fuckin' Bugs that it took tactical brilliance to maneuver yourself an even odds chance to blow up that Hive Node. All you need to do is get past that Hive Tyrant and all his buggy friends...

In short, every battle we players fight out is generally the critical point of a much larger action. It's where one side or the other will make a crucial breakthrough. Where some irreplaceable weak point in the Defense Laser network is just off the board. It's about access to the Necrons' main control node, or the entrance to the crashed Rok that if you can just get past these guys in your way you can rig the thing to explode and cripple the enemy force.

LordAba posted:

Maybe back a couple editions when more transports were being taken and hive guard didn't have a nerf and ymgarl genestealers/doom were still a thing the elite slot was being filled. Now-a-days, not so much.

Zoanthropes only get one dice, but are still good in broods. Three powers (I guess; warp blast+random+primaris) and they provide some nice AP2 shooting for anti-vehicle.

The Gate posted:

Saw some Movie Marine stats, and you guys were actually lowballing them motherfuckers. They were totally nuts stats, and 100 points each base, IIRC. Sarge, Special and Heavy were more.

WS6 BS6(?) S6 T6 I6(?) A3 W3 Ld10, armor was 3+ with a reroll IIRC. May have also counted as Invul for shots that were AP3 or better, I can't recall. Grenades were something like S8 AP3 large blasts, the Missile Launcher was a 2-shot lascannon while the lascannon was a S10 AP1 infinite line like AbusePuppy said. They were rending in CC, from combat knives, and the Sarge had a chainsword that counted as a power weapon (ignored all saves at the time, so AP2 equivalent now?). Bolters were S6 AP4, Assault 3, Rending I think. The flamer was some sort of horrendus torrent weapon I think, like AP 3-4. I don't recall them having any other particular special abilities but it's entirely possible they did.

The body doubles sort of broke it because buying 10-15 point extra wounds on a T6, 3+ reroll body was dumb. Otherwise it actually wouldn't be too crazy to just shove into 6-7th edition I imagine. Was really only meant to be a silly scenario thing anyway, but I thought it was pretty hilarious.

Tuxedo Jack posted:

It doesn't matter, of course. It's just space Barbies. But it is spirit breaking. I was going to just take a break from the group to paint my new IG army, but then I realized they're using my PE tiles, and I kind of wrote the campaign (until the group rewrote most of it), so I feel obligated to play. I don't want to be a poor sport.

They're not as bad as I probably make them sound. There are a few characters, for sure, but they're not really the awful grognards you'd typically imagine...

They just loving love those cards without rationale or understanding.

BuffaloChicken posted:

Fix posted:

Yeah, we literally pack up eight to twelve guys and go to the bar after game night every Tuesday and it's rad. Game clubs are great.

SUPER NEAT TOY posted:

The issue isn't whether or not it's allowed to generate Demonology powers, the issue is that it's not allowed to 'generate' any powers at all. It isn't. It knows Terrify.

Cataphract posted:

I just noticed the logo on the GW page has changed... boy, I am excited

ghetto wormhole posted:

do you even play or paint or do anything besides cry into your tyranid codex 24/7?

Cataphract posted:

What'd a 1500 point sisters look like nowadays? I'm (foolishly) considering putting one together. I've inherited a few models from a mate and I've always liked the look of the army so I figure I can just trawl eBay, gumtree etc. and slowly add to the collection over time.

raverrn posted:

Well poo poo. It's good to be Grey I suppose.

The point about psyker henchmen stands though.

Monoliths posted:

Am I reading the GK FAQ wrong or are henchman psykers basically like buying warp charges for 10 point a pop? Oh no I have to buy Coteaz first to get them. Not even a tax for that beautiful bastard.