Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:

No doubt it is a great movie. Folks just get stuck on the imagery and forget that the bloodsucking enemies of the united government literally mass-murdered people. Gloves came off at that point. Why they didn't just glass their planets from orbit, I will never know.

Blurry Gray Thing posted:

Dude, seriously, change tracks to trying to defend the book instead of acting like you didn't understand the movie:

AVC: In order to get a film like, say, Starship Troopers made, do you have to sell the studio on a giant bug movie, then sneak in the satirical commentary?

Paul Verhoeven: Sneaking in [those elements] was never something that I intended to do. They were all in the script. In my opinion, the movie got made because there were so many regime changes at Sony at that time, one after the other. Mike Medavoy disappeared, then Marc Platt came in, then Bob Cooper came in, and so on. There were five or six changes, and I don't think anyone ever looked at the movie! All the satire was in the script from the beginning, but they might not have been really aware of it, or had read it precisely. By the time one of them might have understood what movie I was going to make, he was already gone. The next group came in. I think we slipped through this labyrinth of changing regimes until finally the movie was done. By then, it had become a stable regime, but then, of course, the movie was already made. It was not that I was lying to anybody. It was already in the script, all this ironic stuff, all this hyperbolic stuff, all this playing with fascism or fascist imagery to point out certain aspects of American society, that was all in the script.

notZaar posted:

Verhoeven is kind of like Kojima in that they're both liberal pussies at heart but they also love guns and violence.

notZaar posted:

All you nerds with a hardon for exoskeletons can relax; there's an anime adaptation of the book and it's got power armor

notZaar posted:

Verhoeven is kind of like Kojima in that they're both liberal pussies at heart but they also love guns and violence.

RevSyd posted:

In the world of Starship Troopers I bet teenagers consider it edgy as gently caress to sympathize with the bugs, to piss off adults, cops, teachers, etc.

StashAugustine posted:

still the best heinlein book by virtue of containing only a little racism and no rape or incest

LtSmash posted:

Still Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. Shame they never made any sequels.

mclast posted:

lol if a little rape or incest turns you off scifi. i fr*cken loved stranger in a strange land when i was 13

Tuxedo Gin posted:

Johnny Rico was a Filipino in the book, in the movie he was a gay white dude.

etalian posted:

Book is very bad IMO besides the cool power armor concept. It's basically the book version of one of those cheesy black and white WWII on the front news reports, which showed a sanitized version of war.

Blurry Gray Thing posted:

That one was okay at the start. I didn't wanna read any more Heinlein, but people kept telling me that one was different.

Then it did that weird-rear end shift at the half-way point and got really dull. I kept reading for a bit, but then (right around 'Rape is usually the woman's fault, so say I, a woman'), I grokked a wrongness with the book.

No idea where it went after that.

mclast posted:

lol if a little rape or incest turns you off scifi. i fr*cken loved stranger in a strange land when i was 13

The Droid posted:

Heinlein never saw combat so it explains his masturbation over military organization and his apparently naive view of warfare.

StashAugustine posted:

i read friday after i read troopers. in the first chapter she goes out on a topsecret mission, gets captured, gets raped for a chapter, kinda likes it, gets rescued, and then goes home to the group she has sex with. it's basically a bad porno. turned me off reading everything else he did

Flesh Forge posted:

He's an Argentine and still pretty white in the book

StashAugustine posted:

yeah troopers is pretty mutltiethnic. main character's filipino, his sargent is turkish, he trains with at least germans and japanese dudes, i kinda forget the rest. it's also partially integrated (women run the navy) which is pretty decent for a book written in the fifties.

the whole book gets better when you consider it the personal diary of an uneducated oorah marine guy who's really into the whole soldier thing. like if you were looking for a historical look at modern american foreign policy you wouldnt ask a marine with nothing above a highschool education

Bolow posted:

I liked the dogs that talked like scooby doo and had suicide vests

Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:

So? He was probably talking about Hugo Boss uniforms and the mobile infantry eagle and other imagery (like he says).

Nothing he said there says anything about how they were doing anything wrong. The military united the world behind a common goal, and defeated an enemy that was a threat to the way of life of all natural pure-blood humans. There should be no question that the only method for dealing with that was nuclear fire. The bugs were a threat that gave humanity to be unified at the price of a little over a million people. That is a low price of admission.

Bolow posted:

I liked the dogs that talked like scooby doo and had suicide vests

mclast posted:

the most memorable part of the book over the movie is the main character realizing that, because he didn't keep a dog against his parents' wishes, he wasn't [smart/dedicated/duplicitous] enough to be paired up with a psychic dog and would have to join the least prestigious military sector, the marines

etalian posted:

Mans posted:

"life is good"

old dog child posted:

Dude, the bugs have hundreds of planets, the movie ends with just one being partially conquered. There wouldn't be enough people to die to win the war so really you're just advocating the extinction of the human race. The initial invasion of the bug home planet Klendathu goes so poorly the humans have to retreat to the loving Moon. They lose pretty much all power projection, hence the 'island hopping' campaign. Oh also they totally started recruiting children in the armed forces before the first battle was even over. Good job, erf.

redshirt posted:

If you recall it was Christian missionaries that provoked the bugs into attacking, and can you blame them, really?