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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Maybe stop harshing people for liking video games in this, the thread where people like video games.

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Similar with naming Red XIII "Nanaki" in FF7. Paraphrased, "they gave me the name Nanaki, but that's not who I really am..."

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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There was a run of FF7 at the last SGDQ and they named Tifa "Beefaroni," which ended up being pretty good too.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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ilmucche posted:

I can't find anything by googling on the internet, but I remember killing the first phase of the final boss by whipping out a mushroom. That's probably my favourite random thing in link's awakening.

It's the Magic Powder that does it. You get the powder from the mushroom fetch quest in Link to the Past, but in LA the mushroom is for a different fetch quest and you get the powder from the Trendy Game.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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It's just a really good game in a lot of ways.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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I don't mess with most of the sliders because 90% of them in Skyrim at least were facial adjustments and it's a loving first person game.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Talking about a little thing in Blue Dragon that isn't Eternity seems a little odd. :v:

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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It's not actually a particularly good (or bad) game.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Most of the bad stuff with the Batmobile is in sidequests, so if you don't bother with that stuff it's okay.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Morpheus posted:

I mean the 3d one is strangely dark and moody for some reason, but the original looks like utterly forgettable indie bit art.

Cave Story's art is only forgettable now because the market is oversaturated with indie pixel art games. Cave Story preceded most of those games by the better part of a decade.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Chrono Trigger came up in the negative thread earlier and it reminded me of one of my favorite things (in a game full of favorite things): one of Aela's combo techs with Crono is basically the Fastball Special. I think it's called Falcon Throw. Anyway, since Aela is a cavewoman, she doesn't bother with fancy poo poo, she just picks up Crono and hurls him at the enemy.

And the best part is that while Crono is in mid flight she stands there and does a little jig. :3:

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Ayla, sorry. Pretty sure you knew what I meant though.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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The first Diablo is very much a roguelike with a save game feature. It's a genre well-known for its complete disregard for the player's time and feelings.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Last I heard they're overhauling a lot of the Far Cry mechanics for 5.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Grognan posted:

feels strange with what I thought Marathon 1 having some scope there. I think they had some sort of hack that was more advanced?

The Marathon games actually worked on the same general principle.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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I'm in a similar boat as BioEnchanted. I started route C this morning and it's very nice that things are happening and the pace has been kicked up a bit. I was ready to call it halfway through route B after it was a bunch of retreading route A.

But now I'm hooked.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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e: Thought I was posting in the other PYF game thread, my bad thoughts do not belong here. Instead have these:

The very ending to Nier: Automata is really wonderful and the game might have my favorite soundtrack -- and use of a soundtrack -- ever.

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Just started playing Tales of Berseria this morning and got through some of the early game. I love how teenage edgelord the main character is, you know there's 15-year-olds that think Velvet is so badass and I hope it never changes.

Although I've only played one other Tales game (Symphonia) this one seems like it could be good trashy fun.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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I forgot that I did also play a little bit of Tales of the Abyss, and hoooo boy those are some bad characters. I had to stop playing that one because of how unlikable the entire cast was.

Berseria's aren't great either but at least the MC and the first other party member have tolerable VA.

Colette in Symphonia was pretty awful though.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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That hurricane level loving ruled.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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RareAcumen posted:

This kinda goes in both threads for reasons.

Hyrule Warriors Just found out that you get all the materials that drop at the end of a map. The small issue is that the game doesn't mention that in any of the tutorial slides. Stuff like 'tilt the stick to move get mentioned though. :v:

iirc you only get the last 20 materials that dropped, or something like that. So you shouldn't completely ignore them.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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The mechanic I liked a little better for abetting troop spamming a little bit was the manpower drain infantry had in Company of Heroes.

The more infantry squads you had, the less manpower/second (the basic currency) you earned. And there weren't a lot of ways to increase your gain -- each player starts at 270 manpower/second but each additional sector only increases it by like 3? So basically the only direction your income goes is down. And infantry were pretty much a constant strain on your actual manpower reserves because of reinforcement costs, so it was really difficult to field more than three or four rifle squads/grenadiers without hamstringing your ability to get vehicles and upgrades later.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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The more I play Tales of Berseria, the more surprised I am at how much I'm enjoying not only the fighting, but also the writing and the character interactions.

There are six party members, they're all different from each other and have different attitudes, and even though their motivations are treated seriously there's a lot of levity in how the skits play out. Like, I'm surprised that I'm not mashing through the conversations, but the skits are entertaining and the VA is good enough that I like listening to them play out. Especially this idiot



Magilou, as soon as I saw her I knew I was going to hate her obnoxious Jar-Jar Binks attitude and wackiness, but it's actually contrasted surprisingly carefully against the other characters (especially the utterly humorless revenge-bent murderer Velvet) and as a result there's like genuine humor in her scenes. It's hard to pick a favorite character because they're all pretty good in their own ways.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Yeah, most of the skits feature her from the waist up so at least you don't see much of that. The main character is also a woman and her outfit is quite a lot worse.

The game does have some kind of, uh, uncomfortable ideas about women at times.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Cythereal posted:

I've never seen any anime-inspired game that didn't have lovely ideas about women, the more text-based or relationship-based the worse they tend to be.

I guess I'm not used to it then because I don't play many anime-inspired games, but conversations that just casually fold in how women are duplicitous liars and men are simple idiots is startling to me, in 2017.

Also how the male antagonist raises a religious super army based around cold calculating reason and logic whereas the female protagonist wants to kill him because she's emotional and reckless and can't see the greater good, which of course is why her brother had to be sacrificed. :stare:

Not a lot of game time is spent on this stuff so it's fairly easy to look past, but when it comes up, it's a little gross.

Surprisingly, blatantly sexualizing women has pretty much never come up, except for Velvet's extremely bad primary outfit (which you can change out of in-game, but the skits still have her main outfit shown).

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Poops Mcgoots posted:

What if I told you endings is a misnomer and that it's actually a single playthrough of a game with 4 episodes?

That would be pretty misleading too since route B is absolutely a second playthrough of route A with 80-90% of it being the exact same. It really is just a New Game +. Only route C is actually different.

Lord Lambeth posted:

Some people complain about the new wright games but I love the jump they made into 3D

The 3D Ace Attorney games have such wonderful character animations that really are in the spirit of the old sprites, so I can't imagine anyone complaining about that.

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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So what you mean is that you enjoy JRPG endings because that's drat near every JRPG ever, I think.

Except Lavos, who is eternally Lavos. Maybe that's why it successfully comes across as so menacing, even at the end of the game.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Calaveron posted:

It's just a game

Silly little things.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Is there something unusual about the pervert subgroup for Automata? Seems like 2B is a fairly vanilla character for dudes to get horny over, all things considered. Not weirder than dudes that like Overwatch porn or whatever. Or is there something else people get off to over N:A?

Is it people that wish they could be strangled to death by a hot robot maid?

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Oh yeah I forgot about that quest, I guess I can imagine people being creeps over that.

Or do you mean that people hate the game for that? Because that's one of the bizarre high science fiction concepts that makes Automata's world interesting.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Yoko Taro did explicitly say he made 2B a hot babe because he likes looking at hot babes.

Olive Garden tonight! posted:

I'm not talking about anything so dumb and obscure, anywhere you go where people would discuss the game people will not shut up about the main character's rear end and how much they want to gently caress her and getting an upskirt achievement, jesus christ if you think that's not creepy and weird you can gently caress off

VIDEO GAMES

It is creepy and weird, I was wondering if Automata stuck out in particular.

Zinkraptor posted:

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure that the character that gives the quest mentions that that aspect of the android mind is likely "based on an identical pleasure center in the human brain" - so the point is that it's calling out us humans out on deriving pleasure from violence (you're playing a violent game, after all!). That said, a ton of people keep talking it as this weird premise-defining android quirk, so maybe I'm the weird one.

Edit: I just checked and I was right, the questgiver has a line like that.

People talk about it like that because they speculate that 2B's affection for 9S (which is established in some of the non-game stuff like official concerts) is based on the fact that she is continuously murdering him.

The romance in Automata is tremendously hosed up.

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Don't be willfully dense, dude.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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It does have sexy dude machines, yeah.

2B's ridiculous appearance is a lot easier to get over than most obviously fanservice women in anime games because of the philosophical themes and the science fiction stuff the game goes through -- it's really not a game about looking sexy -- and the cinematics and camera never do any suspicious lingering shots of her butt, so really the game treats her about as respectfully as possible considering she looks that way literally because the director wanted a hot girl to be the protag.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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poptart_fairy posted:

Automata has the same fandom problem as the witcher 3 did - try g to elevate tits and rear end into some deep statement about character development or themes comes off as desperate, not a big element of world building.

Your fan service robot sorceress lesbians can be criticised as fan service robot sorceress lesbians without making the rest of the game bad through association, ya weirdo.


Veib posted:

https://twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/376424398023962624

This whole conversation immediately reminded me of this.

I wasn't trying to defend or justify 2B's butt, I was just trying to say it's pretty easy to look past it. It's definitely unnecessary.

Objectified women characters in games usually gross me out more than anything else.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Somfin posted:

That is 100% what is going on with N:A's character designs, yup. Well done, poptart_fairy, you have cracked the case. What? Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience that resonates with deeper themes in the storyline? gently caress off, it's a sexy french maid outfit, that means it's just porn for teenage boys and should not be looked at in any more detail.

Things can be two things at once, pf. It can be fanservicey titillation, and it can reinforce the storyline and themes. It doesn't magically stop being able to do one because it's doing the other.

Also, the story never justifies any of the characters' costume choices in N:A, and even if it did, narrative justification doesn't make something "arty."

:chloe:

That justification is also hella specious.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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There's a lot of cool and interesting themes and philosophizing, some good science fiction and some wild emotional twists in the game, too. It's too bad basically none of that poo poo is in route A because you could play the first 15 hours of the game and think it's just a dumb anime butt game and that opinion would be pretty justified.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Somfin posted:

What justification?

"Symbolism of cleaning up someone else's mess and subservience"

That one.

The game is not really subtle about what it wants you to think about, and 2B's outfit (and 9S's as well) is never addressed at any point. I mean if you want to go full-on death of the author, go for it, but considering the game completely forgets to mention why 2B's not wearing pants, I feel like it's safe to just take Yoko Taro's "uh I like to look at cute butts" explanation at face value.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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And besides, you get plenty of beefcake with Adam and Eve too, so I like to think that Yoko Taro is an equal opportunity horndog.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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I'm not going to spend money on Nier because even though fans say the story and music in the original is better than Automata, everyone agrees the gameplay is not as good, and the gameplay in Automata is already decidedly not great so that really makes me nervous.

I liked Automata but only because other people urged me to finish the game, since the first 15-20 hours really tested my fuckin patience.

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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

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Nuebot posted:

What is it with PC ports that turn people's graphical standards completely insane?

My computer's specs massively outstrip any console on the market, I feel like having it render at a steady FPS (whether it be 30 or 60) at a resolution native to my monitor (i.e. 1920x1080 since that's been the standard for several years) is the absolute barest loving minimum for a AAA-produced game released on PC. Automata's port is so bad you need to install a 3rd-party mod just to get the goddamned cutscenes to render in the resolution you selected for the rest of the game at 30 FPS, regardless of system specs. It's not a question of "maximum distance the grass will render at" or something similarly asinine. And woe betide you if your computer has the wrong astrological sign because the game just might not function no matter what!

It's not insanity -- I still spent $40 on the loving game and "bare competency" is a fair expectation for that price tag. Especially since these games run just fine on the PS4 and Xbone [when applicable].

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