Gobblecoque posted:

i don't know what the gently caress you're talking about op

zen death robot posted:

jesus he's still posting in that? i gave up on it

Kewpuh posted:

i like When people quote posts and then just Reply "Gamers.txt"

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

Source your quotes.

Kewpuh posted:

i like When people quote posts and then just Reply "Gamers.txt"

Kewpuh posted:

Dont sign your posts bith

Gobblecoque posted:

saying something and then affixing ".txt" to it is probably the funniest thing in the history of humor ever and i hope everyone continues to do it

Gobblecoque posted:

saying something and then affixing ".txt" to it is probably the funniest thing in the history of humor ever and i hope everyone continues to do it

Neurolimal posted:

for reals though a thread where you post about another thread where people post about other threads on the internet that people post dumb poo poo in is probably the worst idea for a thread ever, kill yourself in honorable battle

OwlFancier posted:

Adam, sweetheart, look.

There is a thing, about the word 'culture'.

It's that not every human on the planet subscribes to the same one.

The people who invented the term 'rape culture' knew about this, and didn't say that it had to be a universal thing that applies to every individual on the face of the earth.

In fact there are lots of nice people in the world who very much oppose the idea of it.

But you see, there are bad people out there who don't see anything wrong with it, and also perhaps not-so-bad people who don't realise that they're acting as part of it. It's little things like people who think if you're nice to a lady she really should be considerate and let you sleep with her. People who think that sexual intimacy should be achieved by clever tricks and signals designed to make you irresistable to women. Even people who think prison rape isn't really a problem because it's happening to bad people and they're in prison to be punished, y'know?

That's what the phrase means, it's called a culture because, much like other cultures, it's just sort of there in the background, and you probably don't notice it if you're a part of it, because it's just... normal.

Now continue posting silly things that don't grate on my brain quite so hard so I can go back to laughing.

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

Kewpuh posted:

Source your quotes

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

I sourced the quote.

Kewpuh posted:

Dont sign your posts

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

Source your quotes.

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

qnqnx posted:

gamers.txt is why the detumblrification of the forums was a failure

emf posted:

I'm sorry for starting a massive derail, especially when so many people completely missed my point; but that's my fault. I really, honestly, thought that more people saw the sexism and gender-normative stereotyping being introduced by gendering Kerbals. The reason I didn't elaborate on it before, and also the reason I specifically requested to not hear from straight-white-males, is that they are not part of the group that is trying to be "included" by adding gender to Kerbals, nor are they a member of the many groups which will be explicitly excluded by the addition of a simple binary gendered Kerbal, and -- all good intentions notwithstanding -- are not in a position to choose their opinions for them.

Speaking of good intentions, people are quick to point out that you're carefully not sexualizing Kerbals with gratuitous T&A while you go about "feminizing" them, but your choices of feminizing features paints a picture of what you think a proper, feminine physique is: slender, slight, soft. The sketch of the proposed male and female Kerbals shows the "female" at roughly half the volume (therefore mass) of the "male". This is a nerd-culture male's view of how females should look, cute, demure, with no overly sexual characteristics which could be threatening . How many people that you're looking to make feel included will identify with that particular ideal of femininity?

Before I posted anything, I asked my friend and colleague (a scientist from Iran who is familiar with both KSP and my love of turning Kerbals into fine green mist) what she thought of adding gender to Kerbals. Her response was "Why? They are Kerbals ... and disposable. Who wants disposable Kerbal women?" She too had thought of them as genderless rocket fodder ... but that could just be because she'd seen the way I played. The discussion meandered to Lemmings, and the point was made that genderless Lemmings can be slaughtered with glee, but march female Lemmings by the score through smashers and flails and the game looses its whimsical nature -- as it should; there's far too much real, horrific violence perpetrated on women. We were thinking of KSP as Lemmings with rockets.

Pretending for a moment that some players won't be so gleefully murderous to their Kerbals, I asked her if she thought of the idea that girls might feel more included if they could identify more closely with the Kerbals. "Is there an way to let the girl Kerbals wear hijab, or even a simple headscarf?" A young Muslim girl might not appreciate your efforts at including women if comes with the implicit statement that they need not apply.

So, where are the Muslim Kerbals? Where are Indian Kerbals? The African Kerbals? The Asian Kerbals? Where are the fat Kerbals? Maybe I want a respawing Porkins Kerbal to be my go-to red-shirt for missions with a high chance of lithobraking.

Someone posted asking how being more inclusive is bad. It isn't. More inclusive is better. People say that currently Kerbals appear too masculine with their Western human male features, and whole-heartedly agree this is a problem, but I question if the right solution is to take a rib from Jeb to mould for him a Westernized, feminized Kerbal companion.

Kewpuh posted:

qnqnx posted:

gamers.txt is why the detumblrification of the forums was a failure

Kewpuh posted:

I have to be 100% serious here for a second. I have literally no loving idea what "gender-normative" means