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Chichevache posted:No one wants a crippled alcoholic as a mascot. No one said anything about Bernie Kosar??
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Chichevache posted:No one wants a crippled alcoholic as a mascot. You speak for yourself. 
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Jun 27, 2014 20:22
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Eifert Posting posted:DC Natives. I'm honestly not sure which of the jokes this is Also, Blackhawks are literally named after an individual, which makes it...sort of different. They're named after the 86th Infantry Division, which is the Black Hawks, which is named after a guy we call Black Hawk, who was named Ma-ka-tai-me-she-kia-kiak, which means "be a large black hawk." Also, the Blackhawks logo is some what less offensive than how offensive people would think it was, if you based the logo on his actual appearance. Sash! fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Jun 27, 2014 22:56
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I feel sorry for that native american highschool that kept the name. Advocates for the name and the plaintiffs for the case have probably been contacting the non stop.
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Jun 27, 2014 23:18
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Sash! posted:I'm honestly not sure which of the jokes this is
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Jun 28, 2014 03:50
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het posted:I was interpreting it as a play on the running joke in DC that nobody in DC is actually from DC, they all moved here for career reasons loving carpetbaggers
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het posted:I was interpreting it as a play on the running joke in DC that nobody in DC is actually from DC, they all moved here for career reasons
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Jun 28, 2014 04:30
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het posted:I was interpreting it as a play on the running joke in DC that nobody in DC is actually from DC, they all moved here for career reasons Ding ding ding.
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het posted:I was interpreting it as a play on the running joke in DC that nobody in DC is actually from DC, they all moved here for career reasons ...well obviously. I'm one of those people (although I was born here). It was either that or that Europeans killed all the natives around here so there aren't any. Growing up, everyone gave me Redskins stuff because that was my "home team" even though I'd only lived here from 1982 to 1983 and lived in Pennsylvania from 1986 to 2010 
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Jun 28, 2014 07:13
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Parlett316 posted:loving carpetbaggers this refers to people moving to take advantage of Southerners (  ) when in reality DC will simply eat them alive with terrible housing prices and career minded young professionals
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Jun 28, 2014 14:42
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:this refers to people moving to take advantage of Southerners ( It's a historical reference. Are you saying that Southerners can't hack it in DC or something?
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Jun 28, 2014 14:56
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Breaky posted:It's a historical reference. Are you saying that Southerners can't hack it in DC or something? The only SEC logo I see on cars is Texas A&M, so probably? Also, would you want to be have it rubbed in your face that the North won and then took Robert E. Lee's house to bury our Northern Dead at? Alexandria just got rid of its law that north-south running streets have to be named after Confederate generals! There's even talk of renaming Jefferson Davis Highway!
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Jun 28, 2014 17:47
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:this refers to people moving to take advantage of Southerners ( We must feed.
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Jun 28, 2014 20:07
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Sash! posted:I'm honestly not sure which of the jokes this is You sound like a fan of racist names as long as you can have some kind of justification for it.
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Sash! posted:The only SEC logo I see on cars is Texas A&M, so probably? No I don't think any of that matters since it ended over a century before I was even born?
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Jun 29, 2014 04:34
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Cole posted:You sound like a fan of racist names as long as you can have some kind of justification for it. But the Blackhawks aren't named after the guy. They're named after the 86th Infantry, where the Blackhawks founder had been a battalion commander. Breaky posted:No I don't think any of that matters since it ended over a century before I was even born? I wasn't being very serious about it. But there aren't really a lot of Southerners around here for whatever reason, despite it being pretty THE SOUTH until the last 30 years or so.
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Sash! posted:But the Blackhawks aren't named after the guy. They're named after the 86th Infantry, where the Blackhawks founder had been a battalion commander. I wasn't really either. That's fairly surprising. You'd think by the nature of the place the demographic would be fairly spread around the country.
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Sash! posted:But the Blackhawks aren't named after the guy. They're named after the 86th Infantry, where the Blackhawks founder had been a battalion commander. That's the justification I was talking about.
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Jun 29, 2014 14:51
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Cole posted:That's the justification I was talking about. Do you really think "Blackhawks" is offensive?
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Jun 29, 2014 14:59
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Cole posted:That's the justification I was talking about. I think that Blackhawks being named for what they are is defensible and justifiable as a name. Might not be the most PC of things in the end but it's a far cry from a direct racial slur like Redskins.
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Breaky posted:I wasn't really either. That's fairly surprising. You'd think by the nature of the place the demographic would be fairly spread around the country. You do see a very wide variety of logos on things, from places all over. There's a guy that has roughly the same commuting route and time that I see a few times a week with his Utah State Aggies license plate frame. My suspicion is that the schools in the South are producing grads in fields that don't really lend themselves to becoming bureaucrats and the ones that can stay in their region. Texas A&M is everywhere because of the DoD. "Where did you go to school" is one of those questions that comes up almost immediately and I can't really remember the last time I met someone that went to an SEC school. Closest would be a guy I used to work with that went to Georgia Tech. Breaky posted:I think that Blackhawks being named for what they are is defensible and justifiable as a name. Might not be the most PC of things in the end but it's a far cry from a direct racial slur like Redskins. And if it comes down to it, just make the logo a black hawk. Which is what the 86th does anyhow.
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You might be running into a lot of Florida grads though and I couldn't blame them if they didn't want to announce their fan affiliation anymore.
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Breaky posted:I think that Blackhawks being named for what they are is defensible and justifiable as a name. Might not be the most PC of things in the end but it's a far cry from a direct racial slur like Redskins. I didn't even know Redskins was a racial slur until people suddenly started getting butt hurt by it 80+ years after it originated. So basically if you want to break it down: redskins wasn't racist until you made it that way. The world had a GREAT chance to change peoples perception of the word but instead they decided to have hurt feelings. After 80 years of not saying poo poo. What changed so suddenly?
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Jun 29, 2014 15:53
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Sash! posted:You do see a very wide variety of logos on things, from places all over. There's a guy that has roughly the same commuting route and time that I see a few times a week with his Utah State Aggies license plate frame. My suspicion is that the schools in the South are producing grads in fields that don't really lend themselves to becoming bureaucrats and the ones that can stay in their region. Texas A&M is everywhere because of the DoD. "Where did you go to school" is one of those questions that comes up almost immediately and I can't really remember the last time I met someone that went to an SEC school. Closest would be a guy I used to work with that went to Georgia Tech. 
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Cole posted:I didn't even know Redskins was a racial slur until people suddenly started getting butt hurt by it 80+ years after it originated. You being a moron doesn't eliminate the fact that it's understood to be offensive by a large swath of people and particularly by those it's targeted at.
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Kalman posted:You being a moron doesn't eliminate the fact that it's understood to be offensive by a large swath of people and particularly by those it's targeted at. No the majority of it is just white people with too much white guilt.
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Jun 29, 2014 15:55
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Cole posted:No the majority of it is just white people with too much white guilt. Well yeah Indians are vast minority in this country and they are rather scattered. Them having a more coherent voice is more of a recent invention than we like to pretend. Even then they still don't have near as much cohesion as the other minority groups out there.
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Cole posted:No the majority of it is just white people with too much white guilt. Holy poo poo you are an idiot. Just read the end of this article. It's offensive and it's been seen as offensive for many years. http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/06/story-behind-washington-redskins-name quote:The judges had to be a bit more thorough, however, and in ruling the that Redskins name is indeed derogatory they cited: (a) the fact that in virtually all English-language dictionaries the word is labeled “often offensive,” “often disparaging,” “contemptuous,” or, at the very least, “not the preferred term” (thank you, O.E.D.); (b) the fact that the term has virtually disappeared from newspapers and other media outside references to football; and (c) the fact that prominent Native American organizations and a sizeable proportion of individual Native Americans find the term offensive.
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Jun 29, 2014 16:04
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Cole posted:No the majority of it is just white people with too much white guilt. Faaaaaaaaarrrrtt~*
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Jun 29, 2014 16:05
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WugLyfe posted:Faaaaaaaaarrrrtt~* If it's not the case then where were people at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, or 77 years ago when the name originated? Nobody gave a poo poo for almost 75 years and only recently has it become an issue. Why?
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Cole posted:I didn't even know Redskins was a racial slur until people suddenly started getting butt hurt by it 80+ years after it originated. You do know that Native Americans have been trying to get the name changed since the 1970's, right? Just because you didn't know it was a slur doesn't mean that it's not a slur, or that tit hasn't been a problem for quite some time. The name was never meant to honor Native Americans as Snyder has said. The change from "Braves" was purely a business move from Noted Huge Racist George Preston Marshall. EDIT: It's wikipedia, but seeing as how you have zero knowledge of how this came about...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy Hot Diggity! fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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TubeStank posted:You do know that Native Americans have been trying to get the name changed since the 1970's, right? Just because you didn't know it was a slur doesn't mean that it's not a slur, or that tit hasn't been a problem for quite some time. The name was never meant to honor Native Americans as Snyder has said. The change from "Braves" was purely a business move from Noted Huge Racist George Preston Marshall. Since the 70s. That's still over 30 years since the name originated. And in every article I read about it, it's pretty much one or two native Americans that are bothered, but a lot of them don't give a poo poo. There are Native American high schools called the redskins. Why don't we take issue with those too?
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Cole posted:Since the 70s. That's still over 30 years since the name originated. And in every article I read about it, it's pretty much one or two native Americans that are bothered, but a lot of them don't give a poo poo. There are Native American high schools called the redskins. Why don't we take issue with those too? So racism is a new concept to you.
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CharlestheHammer posted:So racism is a new concept to you. You didn't answer my question.
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Cole posted:If it's not the case then where were people at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, or 77 years ago when the name originated? Nobody gave a poo poo for almost 75 years and only recently has it become an issue. Why? I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. Google "fart sound effects" for a more nuanced response.
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Cole posted:You didn't answer my question. Change then? I don't know why you think that I suddenly care about preserving these schools. I guess you are going off coverage but yes the bigger something is, the more coverage it will get. NA's have been working towards changing names for high schools but its usually only on a local level because their reach is really, really restricted.
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WugLyfe posted:I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. So basically if someone is ignorant you will continue to let them be ignorant instead of answering their question and helping them understand, which basically perpetuates an endless cycle of racism? Or do you just not have an answer.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Change then? I don't know why you think that I suddenly care about preserving these schools. I guess you are going off coverage but yes the bigger something is, the more coverage it will get. NA's have been working towards changing names for high schools but its usually only on a local level because their reach is really, really restricted. No no no, there are native American high schools. Like how Florida A&M is predominately black? There are predominately Native American high schools that call themselves the redskins and it's perfectly fine. Why?
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Cole posted:No no no, there are native American high schools. Like how Florida A&M is predominately black? There are predominately Native American high schools that call themselves the redskins and it's perfectly fine. Why? What schools are these.
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You all know he is just trying to score points in GIP right?
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