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Yeah your "Well why hasn't it been an issue before now" argument is really the worst since the actual reason is Native Americans have never had a voice and the white team owners could ignore them and still make money.
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CharlestheHammer posted:What schools are these. http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/26/school-board-of-majority-native-american-district-votes-to-keep-redskins/ First google result... You know, what you suggested I do. There are plenty of other results on Google as well.
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Cole posted:So basically if someone is ignorant you will continue to let them be ignorant instead of answering their question and helping them understand, which basically perpetuates an endless cycle of racism? No, you're being willfully obtuse. Do you really see no difference between an NFL team using "Redskins" for their name and mascot, including at one time a fight song that had the following lyrics: Scalp 'em, swamp 'um We will take 'um big score Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown We want heap more and a small, Native American-run high school? Further, do you not think that changing the highest profile usage of the name "Redskins" wouldn't cause similar names to change?
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Raku posted:Yeah your "Well why hasn't it been an issue before now" argument is really the worst since the actual reason is Native Americans have never had a voice and the white team owners could ignore them and still make money. White people didn't give a poo poo until like last Tuesday it seems.
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TubeStank posted:No, you're being willfully obtuse. Do you really see no difference between an NFL team using "Redskins" for their name and mascot, including at one time a fight song that had the following lyrics: So racism is ok if it isn't on a national scale. Gotcha.
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Cole posted:http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/26/school-board-of-majority-native-american-district-votes-to-keep-redskins/ quote:I can tell you, nobody has point blank said to me, ‘Tim that’s an offensive name in our community.’” Ames explained. “Even when I met with the Elders, they are even more intrigued by changing it. Their point was, ‘If we were to name our selves today, would we use the Redskins name?’ And they said, ‘probably not’.” indeed.
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Cole posted:Since the 70s. That's still over 30 years since the name originated. And in every article I read about it, it's pretty much one or two native Americans that are bothered, but a lot of them don't give a poo poo. There are Native American high schools called the redskins. Why don't we take issue with those too? It was happening as far back as the '40s, but there was a little more focus on the fact that the Redskins and owner George Preston Marshall refused to integrate the team until they were basically forced to by the Kennedy administration in the early '60s. quote:According to one scholar, the campaign against Indian team names can be traced to the 1940s, when the National Congress of American Indians began to fight unflattering stereotypes of Indians across the culture.
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CharlestheHammer posted:indeed. Like I said earlier, one or two people in every article, but the majority don't give a poo poo.
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Cole, you sound like my great grandma when I used to scold her for calling black people "negro" She had the exact same argument: "We called black people negro all the time growing up. Why is it a problem now?" Society becoming more sensitive and evolving isn't a bad thing.
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Cole posted:So racism is ok if it isn't on a national scale. Gotcha. And this is what I meant by you being willfully obtuse.
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Cole posted:Like I said earlier, one or two people in every article, but the majority don't give a poo poo. That is also the group you are using to justify it, so I wouldn't dismiss them that easily.
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Ehud posted:Society becoming more sensitive isn't a bad thing. Yes it is. Go read e/n.
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Cole posted:White people didn't give a poo poo until like last Tuesday it seems. Again, just because you aren't paying attention doesn't mean that it wasn't happening.
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Cole posted:http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/06/26/school-board-of-majority-native-american-district-votes-to-keep-redskins/ http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2013/05/in-debate-over-redskins-name-is-the-r-word-for-racism-or-respect/ These Native American children need more education Cole.
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Cole posted:Yes it is. Go read e/n. Those people aren't sensitive. They're goons.
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Ehud posted:Those people aren't sensitive. They're goons. You really think we aren't headed that way?
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Parlett316 posted:http://cronkitenewsonline.com/2013/05/in-debate-over-redskins-name-is-the-r-word-for-racism-or-respect/ quote:Harjo said the Red Mesa School District’s acceptance of the term is “the exception, not the rule.” Although there is a difference between calling yourself a name and being called a name from the outside, American Indian use of the word does not “sterilize” it, she said. Those two sentences pretty much answer all of Cole's questions.
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Cole posted:Yes it is. Go read e/n.  Ah yes society changing and evolving to not use a minority group that had genocide committed against as a mascot is such a terrible and life-altering move 
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This whole argument is just the n-word debate with the people and word switched.
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TubeStank posted:Again, just because you aren't paying attention doesn't mean that it wasn't happening. Fine. TFF didn't give a poo poo until like last Tuesday it seems.
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Tavarin posted:Those two sentences pretty much answer all of Cole's questions. So there are exceptions to racism?
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Cole posted:Fine. TFF didn't give a poo poo until like last Tuesday it seems. We did, but MV (rightfully) has basically said to keep it out of the conversion unless relevant. We don't need to say every few weeks its bad.
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Cole posted:You really think we aren't headed that way? I don't see what weird people posting strange personal problems on the internet has to do with the word redskins being a racial slur or not.
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Cole posted:Fine. TFF didn't give a poo poo until like last Tuesday it seems. Uhhh. This discussion is terrible and was banned from n/v threads for some time. It seems to pop up here constantly
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Ehud posted:I don't see what weird people posting strange personal problems on the internet has to do with the word redskins being a racial slur or not. We got off topic. My fault. Flikken posted:Uhhh. This discussion is terrible and was banned from n/v threads for some time. It seems to pop up here constantly I've been around TFF for a while. Sorry I said last Tuesday and you didn't see the sarcasm. TFF hasn't given a poo poo until relatively recently. Better?
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Tavarin posted:Those two sentences pretty much answer all of Cole's questions. Harjo's group wants ban all Native iconography from sports. But we've been over that in this thread.
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Chris Rock said friend of the family, therefore
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Cole posted:We got off topic. My fault. Why does the timeline matter? It took too long for this topic to get the attention it deserves, but that has no bearing on whether or not redskin is a racial slur or not.
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Pekin, Illinois used to call their team the Chinks. It was changed in 1980 to the Dragons after national uproar.  quote:Until 1975, a Chink and Chinklet ceremony was held before athletic games. A boy and a girl dressed in Chinese attire would walk onto the basketball court to greet a member of the opposing cheerleader squad in the center. They would bow and then escort the opposing squad off the floor. The "Chinese attire" was the coolie hat. They also had a mascot at football games who would dance around and bang a gong whenever the Chinks scored. 
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The Harlem Globetrotters vs The Chinks
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Cruel and Unusual posted:Pekin, Illinois used to call their team the Chinks. It was changed in 1980 to the Dragons after national uproar. I hope they changed their name to Bejin as well.
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Cruel and Unusual posted:Pekin, Illinois used to call their team the Chinks. It was changed in 1980 to the Dragons after national uproar. Yeah, the reason they changed it to the Dragons was because it's a position in the KKK. They're also technically a sundown town, so legally black people aren't allowed to be in the town after 6PM. It's never enforced because they're not THAT stupid. Pekin's the meth capital of Illinois, insert bad jokes here. Does Snyder's appeal have absolutely any legitimacy, or is he just dragging his feet?
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Cole posted:If it's not the case then where were people at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, or 77 years ago when the name originated? Nobody gave a poo poo for almost 75 years and only recently has it become an issue. Why? Probably out hanging nigg- I mean African Americans. Stop being dumb. Lots of people here thought the name was dumb but it didn't come up in TFF because it was just raging against something that wasn't going to happen. Kind of like getting excited about a Bucs winning season.
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I used to back the Redskin name because I was under the impression that it had more support than it really did. It does bug me that there are teams that changed their name from Redmen when they were outright named such because their color was red or ones that used a geographical name and changed it. And North Dakota State's Fighting Sioux because there was actually some backlash from the Sioux that wanted NDSU to keep it. And...to be honest, Chiefs doesn't bother me because it's a rank or social position. I do see where people come from there though. If you changed an Native American chief into a Gallic chieftain to keep the Chiefs name, aren't you just shifting the "making fun of" to a different ethnic group? Its so sticky and thorny. The really vexing thing is that I try to think "what if someone named a team after something from my ethnic background" and I can't come up with a scenario I'd really be offended with. I wasn't completely on board with Notre Dame's black guy as a leprechaun but that's more because a leprechaun, by definition, has to be Irish. That's just an authenticity thing there. Plus he should be wearing red.
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Cole posted:If it's not the case then where were people at 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, or 77 years ago when the name originated? Nobody gave a poo poo for almost 75 years and only recently has it become an issue. Why? 75 years ago segregation was common and legal. I guess you're also ok with that as well!
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My favorite thing about the Pekin Chinks is that in the late 70's an Asain-American group in the school tried to get the name changed, and they put it up for a student vote. The students voted like, overwhelmingly in majority of Chinks.
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Cole posted:So basically if someone is ignorant you will continue to let them be ignorant instead of answering their question and helping them understand, which basically perpetuates an endless cycle of racism? Despite my batman avatar, I don't give out the response you need, just the one you deserve.
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60 new posts in this thread I wonder what happ... oh hey awesome a bunch of lovely obtuse posts by Cole
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