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E-Tank posted:This is like having a 'Woman Speaks' group where the board of directors are all men. Or a 'homosexuality speaks' where its all straight people, talking about how much of a burden homosexuality is and gosh darnit won't it be nice once we have a cure? This is one of the things that really chaps me. They can't have any autists on the panel? LeJackal fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Ogmius815 posted:He's freaking out because curing people of autism would make them "different people". But that kind of concrete personal identity is an illusion. There is no "true, essential you" to compare your present state with. He also implied that science could decide when someone had become "a different person" which is false. There is the issue of consent here, talk therapy is a lot different than forcibly medicating someone or doing some brain surgery without getting their input.
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SedanChair posted:What's interesting is that when this is suggested, posters respond by imagining that a poo poo-flinging retarded person will be selected, and that if they are not then it doesn't matter. If you are "high-functioning," I guess you are just supposed to be quiet and let others continue to advocate that your ilk be removed from the earth. Its almost as if people just care about comfort, convenience and conformity more than the welfare of anyone else.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think aborting a fetus with non-lethal developmental disorders is fine, just as aborting an unwanted healthy fetus is fine. Bringing another human being into the world is morally fraught enough without knowing that person is likely to experience extraordinary suffering. The question devolves into where we draw the line on 'extraordinary suffering' and 'quality of life' as the result of a 'genetic defect'. Something like Tay-Sachs that has a 100% mortality rate within ten years of horrific pain is an easy choice, but where does autism fall? Its a spectrum disorder, not binary, so there are many different degrees. Those falling on the moderate to high functioning end can lead self-sufficient, fulfilling lives and contribute much to the happiness of others and the advancement of society; conversely those on the low-functioning end are often sadly long-suffering. I, personally, am a high-functioning autist and though sometimes I get a bit depressed like anyone else I do not think my life has been negative on the whole.
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Arglebargle III posted:You have the luxury of hindsight. A pregnant woman doesn't. I support a woman's right to choose 100%, but that doesn't mean I always have the warm fuzzies about it.
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