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Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Nixon was years before my time, what's a good start (besides Wikipedia) to get in on the insanity?

I just want to understand joe's jokes

# ¿ Jun 30, 2014 01:39

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 12:20

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

fishmech, was fishmech your original name on SA? Because I still think of you as install gentoo

RuanGacho posted:

I've been thinking about making a local government and you thread for a few months now. Generally going over the forms that city councils take, who you should probably be complaining to when traffic lights don't get fixed. Maybe cover some other things like how you can get involved, the way public records are supposed to work and often don't. I have always found it curious how much people focus so much on the national level politics because it seems like worrying about the things we can change the least. If you want some perspective on what I mean, consider the change that the single city council member being a socialist in Seattle has caused. Any thoughts or comments on the idea?

I would love to know more about getting involved in local government so yes please

# ¿ Jun 30, 2014 06:25

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I just buy burger patties (pattys?) from Costco.i think they were turkey actually

Tasted good :shrug:

:shrug:

# ¿ Jul 1, 2014 08:46

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Yes we lost

Algeria losing to Argentina was the real heartbreaker tho even if expected

*waves team Costa Rica flag vaguely*

# ¿ Jul 2, 2014 00:28

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Joementum posted:

There's a hilarious series of Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky audio commentary on Lord of the Rings articles on that topic.

Quoting so I can find this later. :allears:

:allears:

loquacius posted:

I knew two girls in my high school class who ended up going to Brandeis. One of them was Greek Orthodox but a Judaism weeaboo for cultural reasons like the dentist from Seinfeld. The other one was Jewish but a Christianity weeaboo for Broadway reasons (she was apparently so into both Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar that she actually took serious offense to Jesus jokes). Basically being from the Northeast where actual Jewish people live (notably including myself) I really don't understand how red-staters can think of Jews as this mysterious reclusive race of supervillains.

Was this recent because I might know these people

Also the summer before I left for brandeis I was invited to a reception thing here in Houston and I literally had no idea there was a Jewish neighborhood in the city

# ¿ Jul 2, 2014 21:48

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

tbp how do you feel, as a World Cup mod, about pitbull doing the wc song this year?

Prior to this year my only familiarity with him was him rapping over some cheb khaled

# ¿ Jul 4, 2014 09:22

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I would like to express my appreciation for Amergin as a poster and a person

# ¿ Jul 8, 2014 04:47

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

paragon1 posted:

I just want you to know that I appreciate your posting. You make me laugh and are therefore a good person.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2014 06:37

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

My (Vietnamese) mom used to make these omelet type things of egg, shrimp, onions, mushrooms, and cilantro. No bread anywhere, and you dipped in fish sauce.

She called it pizza. Don't get me wrong it was good but I'm pretty sure the English translation of banh xeo is not pizza

# ¿ Jul 13, 2014 23:33

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Late but my high school brother listens to kpop, rap, and that one album by Stromae I sent to him as a gift. And all my peers (I'm in college) listen to kpop

Debate disco what are your preferred kpop groups?

# ¿ Jul 14, 2014 20:39

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

For quite a time when I was younger, my parents didn't really care what music I listened to (on the radio, because I never had a CD player) as long as it wasn't 'black' music. But then they started getting watching movies on BOUNCE, which is a broadcast network that primarily caters to black people. And they always liked the Rush Hour movies because Jackie Chan was in them and they liked Chris Tucker so rap and hip hop are now officially A-Okay for my little brother. :psyduck:

:psyduck:

# ¿ Jul 14, 2014 23:23

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

My mom code-switches from Vietnamese to Cantonese a lot so I can hear her skyping her sister and then be like "wait what are they saying? Oh, it's Cantonese :downs:

:downs:

" which makes me feel bad because all I know in Cantonese now are food words. And then I hear my Thai friends talk and I'm like "Vietnamese doesn't sound like that!!"

Also whenever I write about Vietnamese in English I start dropping "ing" and plurals because who needs that poo poo, dumb as hell imo

Also, also: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004380.htm (language log is like the blog for linguists)

quote:

Hed, dek, lede, graf, tk: live with it

What do you call an apology for future behavior? Whatever the expression is, this post is an example. But it's also an educational experience, I hope, for those of you who don't know the meta-journalistic terms of art in the title.

I've never worked as a journalist, but in the unremembered mysterious way that we learn most words, I somehow learned these terms and their idiosyncratic spellings. "Hed" is head, as in headline. "Dek" is deck, which is a sort of sub-headline, a phrase or two between the headline and the body of the article that explains what the story is about. "Lede" is lead, as in leading paragraph, the way a piece starts. "Graf" is graph, as in paragraph, often used in combinations like nut graf, which comes just after the lede, and summarizes the story's content. "Tk" should be "tc", I guess, because it's short for "to come", i.e. not yet written.

That's what I think these terms mean, at least -- they aren't in most dictionaries under the non-standard spellings. In some cases (e.g. deck), dictionaries are missing the journalistic sense under any spelling at all. For example, I can't find the journalistic meaning of deck in the OED [but see below...], the AHD, Merriam-Webster's Collegiate, or Encarta. Until I just checked, though, I didn't know about this lack of representation in dictionaries, because I never had any reason to check on this sense of deck/dek, any more than I normally look up any other word that I think I know and expect that others will know as well.

The legend is that the strange spellings of these words were developed in order to help distinguish meta-journalistic comments in copy (e.g. "dek tk") from the stuff that's meant to be printed. I have no idea whether that's true. But several of these terms are useful, however spelled. In particular, dek/deck and lede/lead don't really have any good alternatives; and graf and hed are conveniently reduced forms of paragraph and headline; and tk is a lot more succinct than "to be supplied at some point in the future", or whatever.

But there's a problem. Or rather, there are two problems, one old and one new.

Whenever I've used one of these terms in a Language Log post, using the idiosyncratic spelling, I've gotten email politely pointing out the spelling error, or asking me less politely what the heck I think I'm talking about. That's the old problem. It hasn't come up very much recently, because I've learned from experience and generally stopped using terms like hed, dek, lede, graf and tk, even in meta-journalistic commentary where these terms would be culturally appropriate.

But in my April 6 post "All X and no Y", I slipped up. The lede was:

"All mouth and no trousers" was the headline on a story in the 3/31-4/6 edition of the Economist. This is apparently a UK expression that I've somehow managed to miss. The deck ("Are foreign firms as keen on Asia as they claim to be?") and the rest of the story make it clear that the meaning is same as "all hat and no cattle", "all sizzle and no steak", "all bark and no bite", etc.

So I used "headline" in place of "hed", and no one complained about that. I considered using "sub-headline" or "sub-head", but after a brief struggle with my conscience, I decided to refer to the dek as "the deck", spelled in the normal rather than the journalistic way.

Well, no one has written in (yet) to complain that about the lack of ships, playing cards or outdoor furniture in the neighborhood of that deck. But Jim Lewis politely corrected my spelling. In the journalistic sense, he explained, it should be "dek".

OK, everybody, fair warning. No more pangs of conscience. From now on, as the fancy strikes me, I'm going to use hed, dek, lede, graf, tk and similar bits of journalistic jargon, spelled as seems appropriate to the occasion. Letters of complaint will be answered with a link to this post, my apology (or self-justification) in advance.

[OK, that's what I get for trying to whip out three posts over breakfast -- Jim Lewis writes:

Allow me, with all due respect and politesse, and at the risk of nitpickery, to adjust your course again. You wrote: "I can't find the journalistic meaning of deck in the OED". I use Version 1.10 of the electronic edition of the OED2, which lists, under 'Deck n1':

6. a. A pile of things laid flat upon each other.

1625 F. Markham Bk. Hon. ii. vi. §5 Any whose Pedigree lyes so deepe in the decke, that few or none will labour to find it.
1631 Celestina xix. 185 Subtill words, whereof such as shee are never to seeke, but have them still ready in the deck.
1634 Sanderson Serm. II. 287 So long as these things should hang upon the file, or lie in the deck, he might perhaps be safe.
1673 Marvell Reh. Transp. II. 394 A certain Declaration..which you have kept in deck until this season.

b. Part of a newspaper, periodical, etc., headline containing more than one line of type, esp. the part printed beneath the main headline. Also attrib.

1935 H. Straumann Newspaper Headlines i. 28 These are first decks (and streamers) only.
Ibid. iii. 87 The first three lines or 'decks' as they would be called in present-day journalism.
1965 L. H. Whitten Progeny of Adder (1966) 127 The eight-column headline told him of Pantelein's body being found. But it was the 'deck' headline that held him: county coroner cites 'vampirism'.

No entry for 'dek', though.

It's a cold and gloomy day out here in West Texas. Good day for dictionary-skimming.

It's a bit chill and gloomy here in Philly as well, but I spent the morning at the King Tut exhibit with a couple of 11-year-olds and assorted parents. No deks in sight, though there was a spectacular figurine of Ptah, whom the wikipedia describes as "the deification of the primordial mound", and whose staff is topped by a stack of hieroglyphs.]

[On the other hand, Jan Freeman (who ought to know) writes:

I have to disagree with Jim Lewis on dek vs. deck, and with you on adopting abbreviations.

At the Globe, where I was an editor for 20 years, we didn't actually use "dek" but "subhed" or sometimes "drophed/drop." So "dek" looks as funny to me as it would to any nonjournalist. (This is often a problem with workplace slang; local usage can differ dramatically.)

But even if I knew "dek," I would not use it in my own writing: There I say headline (or head, sometimes), subhead, capital letters or uppercase (not "all caps" or "up"), lowercase (not "down"), italics (not itals/italix), paragraph. I don't see why the journalistic spellings would be more appropriate just because the source is journalism; almost every subject has its in-group vocabulary, but reporters and commentators are supposed to paraphrase or translate it, not adopt it.

But while we're having this discussion, let's not forget the mysterious CQ. Some say it means "copy as quoted" -- an implausible locution, to my ear -- and it means "I have checked the spelling of this name/word and vouch for its accuracy." (Of course, an editor soon learns that some writers' CQs, like other sorts of promises, are not to be trusted.) I checked this a few years ago but the evidence was inconclusive:

(From "The Word," March 4, 2001)

The search for the meaning of cq - that mysterious abbreviation that means, to copy editors, "this is correct" - may not be over, but readers have come up with some good leads. "My first copy chief taught me the origin of this initialism," writes Jon Skillings, an editor at CNET.com. "Cq stands for cadit quaestio, Latin for 'the question drops' - or, more loosely, don't even think about bothering me with a question about the way this word is spelled."

Lorna Garey, an editor at Network Computing, also learned cadit quaestio in her early days of copy editing. Though the term has to be bent rather sharply to make it mean "this is correct," it does appear often in legal and philosophical texts, meaning "there's no more argument," more or less.

And cq is indeed an abbreviation for cadit quaestio (among other things). But I haven't found proof that this cq is the same as the editors' cq, so if you're partial to a different theory, there's still hope for your candidate.

I'm open to cadit quaestio, but I also liked the suggestion, put forth by Christopher Kenneally and Barbara McLean, that cq could be a phonetic version of sic - which means exactly the same thing. (Why not use sic? Because it's meant to be printed, to show that the writer knows he's reproducing a mistake. Editors need a code word obviously not meant for publication, like the TK abbreviation for "to come"). (End of Word quote.)

Best CQ story, from a former Globe copy editor: The green writer who, it was revealed some months into her career, thought that CQ was an instruction to the copy desk meaning "Please check"!

I wouldn't be surprised if some LL reader knew more about CQ than I could find out six years ago; perhaps you could pose the question, if it interests you.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2014 22:40

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Reindeer, are you like a white Texan expat in Thailand, a Thai Texan expat in Thailand, a Thai man who moved to Texas and back to Thailand, or what? Your story seems like it would be very fascinating

# ¿ Jul 15, 2014 22:44

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Jagchosis posted:

I tried to learn Vietnamese. While the tones are very easy in Vietnamese, I gave up after concluding it is not physically possible for me to make some of the consonants in that language.

A tip, move the tip of your tongue forward from where it'd be in English and magic happens. Also IMO, saigonese Vietnamese is easier for English speakers than the Hanoi variety

# ¿ Jul 16, 2014 09:03

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

ReindeerF posted:

Rumor has it that Bill O'Reilly wants to cut it off and use it as the falafel thing and just put it on your pussy but you'd have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business.

wait what

# ¿ Jul 21, 2014 03:31

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I skip over tons of pages in the I/P thread and yet it's like I skip none at all. :smith:

:smith:

# ¿ Jul 24, 2014 09:16

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I don't know the details but I think the Nixon administration did some good things for Tribal Sovereignty. That probably has some long lasting effects.

ANCSA is kinda a wash like DADT in that it was the best of a bunch of bad options. He did wind down Indian termination, which I think is what you're talking about, an undeniable Good Thing

Also I think Jerry means Indian as in south Asian because natives are hella dem, actually

# ¿ Jul 25, 2014 05:47

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Read Ursula LeGuin

# ¿ Jul 25, 2014 05:51

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Plague? As in THE plague? :stare:

:stare:

Edit: Okay it was lifted that's good right?

# ¿ Jul 27, 2014 19:08

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

ReindeerF posted:

Note to Buddhists: Keep lenting, you're not done yet.

actually, yes i am

and i didn't even fast, i just ate vegan for a day

# ¿ Jul 29, 2014 00:29

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

ReindeerF posted:

You are a good poster, I mean this in the nicest possible way:

Are you one of these West Coast California fusion Buddhists like my cousin, Richard Gere and the Dalai Lama?

no one's ever complimented my posting before, and i aspire to be as great as swan oat one day :3:

:3:

my parents are vietnamese refugees and i was born in Westminster, CA like half the vietnamese people in the us. it was my mom that taught me about eating vegan on the first and middle (ide? ides?) of each month and on holidays but tbh I'm not really that buddhist, more agnostic and culturally buddhist. so to answer your question, i guess probably? there's lots of buddhist sects and it's all tied up with nationalism and poo poo, i just like the food, which makes me the worst buddhist, i think

also i am not the biggest fan of the dalai lama as a filthy queer and believer in the idea that the holocaust shouldn't be blamed on its victims but he is a tibetan buddhist anyway, so i don't have to listen to him. Well i don't have to listen to any monk regardless of tradition but you know what i mean

this reminds me: one of my history teachers and decathlon coaches in high school was hella socialist and sponsor of our GSA and my parents are staunch republicans but then they learned he was vegan and he became my parents' favorite teacher. actually that story was not as entertaining as it sounded in my head, but it was amusing, to me, at the time

this nonchalant posting style is really hard

# ¿ Jul 29, 2014 01:30

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

zoux posted:

I thought you were Native American?

i could see how people would get that impression, but i am not.

Jagchosis posted:

I'm just curious, but in Westminster what would you say the proportion of Catholics amongst Vietnamese-Americans in that community is? I ask because my fiance's entire extended global family comes from the tiny minority of Vietnamese Catholics. First I'm curious if Catholics made up a disproportionate part of the refugees. Second, because I only ever hear about or deal with Viets that come from a Catholic/filial piety/even more patriarchal family background, and I'm kinda curious what the familial politics are like in Buddhist families.

i have heard that 80% of vietnamese are buddhist, but a slight majority of the diaspora is catholic; nothing to base that on other than hearsay tho. and humans, of all religious traditions and non-traditions, are just kinda patriarchal shits. i'm pretty sure my catholic friends in high school were allowed to go out more than me. vietnamese catholics are nuts on abortion though and surprisingly restrictive on marriage equality, at least from my experiences in high school in houston.

it does remind me that one of my mom's stated reasons that buddhism is better than catholicism is because you don't have to go to church every Sunday. :lol:

:lol:

Warszawa, if you ever go to the l.a. area, swing by Westminster, it's like an hour south; there is some fantastic Vietnamese food and shopping.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2014 23:07

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Nintendo Kid posted:

Tasty

# ¿ Jul 30, 2014 06:17

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

in america, watching the super bowl just for the commercials is totally a thing; do other countries do a similar thing for other sports? i imagine not soccer but cricket, maybe?

# ¿ Aug 1, 2014 08:55

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

What kind of supermarket is out of rambutan, there was a sale advertised. :argh:

:argh:

# ¿ Aug 2, 2014 17:14

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Warcabbit posted:

Shut up. Shut up. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPPPPPPPPPPP!

If you shut up I'll give you twenty bucks oh poo poo no you'll call me forever augh!

(How many of those drat emails y'all get?)

I got four asking me to sign the drat birthday card and two about the thing and I'm sure there were like three others tangentially related.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2014 03:05

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Hedera Helix posted:

Surely you mean "green tea", not "vanilla"?

how does it feel to hate sunshine and happiness?

# ¿ Aug 5, 2014 07:40

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I have jury duty in the Houston municipal court tomorrow, I'm actually kinda excited. :shobon:

:shobon:

# ¿ Aug 6, 2014 01:29

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

It's the Lubbock one, I think there are two? I was just going to bring my Kindle for the jury assembly area. Should I bring a regular old book instead? I occasionally volunteer with one of the homeless day centers in the area, so I know my way around, but do they let you out for food? Should I bring my lunch too? Question mark?

# ¿ Aug 6, 2014 02:17

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

In the jury assembly area, CNN is playing and Pat Roberts is going on about the liberal agenda

# ¿ Aug 6, 2014 14:21

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

Corrupt Politician posted:

That wasn't what Diamond said. His claim was that all animals whose domestication was both practical and beneficial to pre-modern people have already been domesticated.

For example, elephants weren't domesticated because although trained adults are extremely useful, it takes them like 15 years to grow up, so if you want to raise one you'll go broke feeding a giant baby for over a decade before it becomes a functional work animal. It's much easier to just capture a young adult in the wild and train it, which is what people have historically done. If you really wanted to domesticate elephants and had vast resources and time, you could selectively breed them just like horses and cows, but nobody's ever done this.

I wonder if someone wealthy somewhere hadn't tried getting someone to domesticate an elephant, like an emperor or something, just for a status symbol

also, hello friends, I'm back from jury duty, i got a bunch of reading done and the trial itself was actually mildly interesting despite being a traffic thing (we found him not guilty :v:

:v:

). It's very annoying how CNN plays the same five stories over and over again though

# ¿ Aug 7, 2014 00:28

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

A Mongolian Neo-Nazi Environmentalist Walks Into a Lingerie Store in Ulan Bator

# ¿ Aug 7, 2014 21:45

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

A thing can be legal but not okay

# ¿ Aug 7, 2014 23:17

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

ReidRansom posted:

Congrats

Shouldn't you be plowing your wife (or husband i dunno) right about now though? Get off the internet and into your partner.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2014 08:33

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

fuji apples are good

# ¿ Aug 11, 2014 05:35

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

R mute you mentioned in the politoons thread that dance party for some Romani that that racist mayor threw, are there any links to read about this? i am mediocre at french if it helps

also my phone recognizes the word politoons now this is not good

# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 08:15

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

ReindeerF posted:

Oh that's exactly what it is in Thailand, same as back home. For example, you may be a newly arrived Swede looking to completely avoid local culture and eat at the korvmojjen, in which case the Swedish flags will guide you there. With the advent of the internet, the thing about finding local ties is less plausible, really. If you're from any culture and you're in a new country then the first thing you do is start googling. Anyone flying a flag outside is generally going to be an rear end in a top hat, or attract assholes.

My aunt came to the us recently to live (San Diego) and lol she can't operate a smartphone and is terrible at reading English. Sure you can google or hook up with friends and family but if you want to explore your new country yet still have a way to touch base, it's not a bad thing to look for.

Personally I find it obnoxious when people in a country plaster their country's flag everywhere. Like, we know you live here okay??

# ¿ Aug 16, 2014 19:46

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

The grapes of wrath by Steinbeck is one of my favorite books of all time, I don't care if this makes me a weirdo

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 06:17

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

hello friends, did anything exciting happen in the past 1500 pages?

# ¿ Aug 31, 2014 06:14

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 12:20

Mecca-Benghazi: Mar 31, 2012

I am under the impression these pictures weren't just floating around in the open, but 4chan got at them by brute-forcing the Find my iPhone tool, which sort of implies they, you know, had a password and everything.

edit: can iCloud accounts even do two-factor auth?

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 17:33

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