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crabcakes66 posted:It's not like we have a stockpile of 50 thousand TLAMs sitting around. I had to seriously step up my Harpoon game once I started playing scenarios with realistic weapons stores and you couldn't destroy Soviet-controlled Keflavik or Orland just by slinging lots of stand-off weapons against them.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I had to seriously step up my Harpoon game once I started playing scenarios with realistic weapons stores and you couldn't destroy Soviet-controlled Keflavik or Orland just by slinging lots of stand-off weapons against them. What game is this?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:What game is this? One of those, I presume.
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Theres a pen and paper version of Harpoon and it is possibly the most :sperg: thing I have ever seen in my life No-one will play it with me 
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Darkman Fanpage posted:What game is this? Command: Modern Air / Naval Operations is the most recent Harpoon-like game that I know of and it has plenty of scenarios that qualify (listed in the "See Also" in the wiki link for Harpoon). It's pretty decent, but pricey even if it's on a good sale. I haven't played the modern scenarios much, and it seems like the J-20 or whatever the Chinese ripoff of the F35 is called is probably way unrealistic in game, but otherwise the naval part is really nice. Except for anything involving swarms of backfires firing supersonic missiles at you - even knowing the scenarios I seem to have issues getting enough F-14's up with enough missiles far enough out to intercept a decent amount of bombers before they can launch.
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MikeCrotch posted:Theres a pen and paper version of Harpoon and it is possibly the most :sperg: thing I have ever seen in my life No one would ever play this with me, either. I also didn't have six friends...
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Pervis posted:Command: Modern Air / Naval Operations is the most recent Harpoon-like game that I know of and it has plenty of scenarios that qualify (listed in the "See Also" in the wiki link for Harpoon). It's pretty decent, but pricey even if it's on a good sale. I haven't played the modern scenarios much, and it seems like the J-20 or whatever the Chinese ripoff of the F35 is called is probably way unrealistic in game, but otherwise the naval part is really nice. Except for anything involving swarms of backfires firing supersonic missiles at you - even knowing the scenarios I seem to have issues getting enough F-14's up with enough missiles far enough out to intercept a decent amount of bombers before they can launch. That was always a pretty legit issue. Missile swarms are scary. Modern Russian ASM swarms are really scary, thankfully they don't have the stocks they used to. The Chinese are getting there though.
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Straight from the horse's mouth, folks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npZGnStL6F0
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Reviving a long-dead thread because of some related news: this year's NDAA may again ban the Air Force from retiring the A-10 in favor of the F-35.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Reviving a long-dead thread because of some related news: this year's NDAA may again ban the Air Force from retiring the A-10 in favor of the F-35. This will probably keep happening forever since the F35 will never be as good at CAS as the A-10 unless they build a F35D which is actually an A10 but painted stealth dark grey.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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It'll keep happening until a group of Eastern European "pro-Moscow separatist freedom fighters" gun down a four-ship with "equipment looted from government arsenals," or John McCain dies/retires and gives up Arizona's senior seat in the Armed Services Committee, whichever comes first.
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Dead Reckoning posted:It'll keep happening until a group of Eastern European "pro-Moscow separatist freedom fighters" gun down a four-ship with "equipment looted from government arsenals," or John McCain dies/retires and gives up Arizona's senior seat in the Armed Services Committee, whichever comes first. which is real stupid because chances are the occasional downed a10 more than pays for itself in murican soldiers and tax dollars spent on murican soldiers saved
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Even with the most generous possible interpretation of the value of an individual soldier's life, that's a pretty specious claim.
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The A-10 was designed to be an expendable anti-tank weapon. The Air Force estimated that if Soviet tanks came pouring across the Fulda Gap the 1,000 strong A-10 fleet would be mostly lost in the first few weeks of the war. I don't think anyone expected it to survive longer than it took to zap a column of T-72s before going down in flames. It seems reasonable that the Air Force wants to get rid of a literal deathtrap from the 70s in favor of a newer, sleeker plane that would result in less mass pilotdeath (at least in theory).
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Not to mention A-10s aren't really doing traditional CAS - low and slow doesn't work in a world where every shitheel warlord can buy surplus Soviet MANPADS. Low and slow becomes a liability.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Not to mention A-10s aren't really doing traditional CAS - low and slow doesn't work in a world where every shitheel warlord can buy surplus Soviet MANPADS. Low and slow becomes a liability. You can fit GPS guided bombs on a lot of things so there is no need to pay for this white elephant other than graft.
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Peven Stan posted:The A-10 was designed to be an expendable anti-tank weapon. The Air Force estimated that if Soviet tanks came pouring across the Fulda Gap the 1,000 strong A-10 fleet would be mostly lost in the first few weeks of the war. I don't think anyone expected it to survive longer than it took to zap a column of T-72s before going down in flames. It seems reasonable that the Air Force wants to get rid of a literal deathtrap from the 70s in favor of a newer, sleeker plane that would result in less mass pilotdeath (at least in theory). As I understand it, that's not because the A-10 was a "literal deathtrap", it's because the Red Army was seriously scary. A lot of the first-line forces in a "Soviet invasion of Europe" situation were expendable in the sense that no one expected anything to be left of them after a few days.
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Yeah if a NATO v. Warsaw Pact fight had broken out that at the end of it almost no one would have an airforce left from AA and air cover and that was part of the urgency to make stealth aircraft?
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There's an old Cold War Era joke, One Russian General in Paris asks another: "who won the air war?"
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Armyman25 posted:There's an old Cold War Era joke, 
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Armyman25 posted:There's an old Cold War Era joke, I always enjoyed Soviet humour.
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Armyman25 posted:There's an old Cold War Era joke,
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USAF says that the F35 is clear to go CAS and Wild Weaseling. http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/08/02/f35-ioc-air-force-operational-acc-combat/87948142/
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SuperDucky posted:USAF says that the F35 is clear to go CAS and Wild Weaseling. YHGTBSM
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quote:The Air Force, together with the joint program office, hopes to fix that issue in 2017 with its 3F software, which will give the the aircraft its full war-fighting capability Hmm yes it doesn't have its full war fighting capability but totes is ready to be operated in battlefields around the world! I guess hangers count.
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SuperDucky posted:USAF says that the F35 is clear to go CAS and Wild Weaseling. LOL it does "Basic" CAS not "Full" CAS but CAS is CAS. Wild Weaseling is one of the things it probably could do well, they didn't even need a plane for it.
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Trending on FB:quote:F-35A: US Air Force Says 1st Squadron of Fighter Jets Ready for Combat 
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Raldikuk posted:Hmm yes it doesn't have its full war fighting capability but totes is ready to be operated in battlefields around the world! I guess hangers count. Look, a poster who doesn't know what IOC means!
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mlmp08 posted:Look, a poster who doesn't know what IOC means! Listen, I know Rio is basically going to be a warzone throughout the Olympics, but are they really bad enough to tie the International Olympic Committee to the F-35? Surely they don't deserve that
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Mister Macys posted:Trending on FB: Such a low level of combined lethality, survivability and adaptability is indeed unprecedented, I don't understand why that statement is controversial.
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mlmp08 posted:Look, a poster who doesn't know what IOC means! Or perhaps I have a more stringent vision of what I consider operating? Hint: It doesn't include shipping a plane without software to drop its ordinance.
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They consider that initial operational capability is reached if the plane is capable of being deployed with moderate amount of special snowflake assistance and then fly around and maybe launch a missile or drop a bomb maybe. But everyone knows that it won't be actually used in actual combat situations until long years after it officially reaches FOC. The F-22 only saw actual combat use for the first time in 2015 after all.
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Raldikuk posted:Or perhaps I have a more stringent vision of what I consider operating? Hint: It doesn't include shipping a plane without software to drop its ordinance. Then it's a good thing that's not what happened.
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Raldikuk posted:Or perhaps I have a more stringent vision of what I consider operating? Hint: It doesn't include shipping a plane without software to drop its ordinance. It says it can't launch "small diameter bombs" which is a specific type of weapon system. It's not saying it can't drop bombs.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It says it can't launch "small diameter bombs" which is a specific type of weapon system. It's not saying it can't drop bombs. It can't shoot its gun. It can drop bombs, apparently.
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CommieGIR posted:It can't shoot its gun. It can drop bombs, apparently. GBU-12, GBU-31, AMRAAMs.
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mlmp08 posted:GBU-12, GBU-31, AMRAAMs. I look foreward to them adding an external gun mount a'la the F-4
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CommieGIR posted:I look foreward to them adding an external gun mount a'la the F-4 A model doesn't need it unless you want maximum underwing dakka, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUcln7StaEw
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^^ I like to think that a bullet hit a light switch at 19s  CommieGIR posted:I look foreward to them adding an external gun mount a'la the F-4 F-35B/C are way ahead of you.  Cat Mattress posted:They consider that initial operational capability is reached if the plane is capable of being deployed with moderate amount of special snowflake assistance and then fly around and maybe launch a missile or drop a bomb maybe. The F-22's primary role is as and air superiority fighter or interceptor. Its been performing the interceptor role in Alaska for quite some time before it was used to drop bombs on ISIS. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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mlmp08 posted:A model doesn't need it unless you want maximum underwing dakka, but: Say... what's that thumbnail in the bottom left after playing? Enhance... Enhance...  Russia already knows who the next President will be. 
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