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Lloyd Boner posted:Man imagine if we had Edgar vs Faber instead of that poo poo Edgar vs. Faber or $Mendes are way better fights so I expect the UFC not to make either one. Though maybe we can get Frankie to headline 176? Miching Mallecho posted:BJ's coaches thought he generates more power from that upright stance. BJ's coaches are dumb shits and have been since forever. It's just that until Frankie showed up it kind of didn't matter. iirc he straight up ignored their corner advice in the Sanchez and Florian fights.
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Lloyd Boner posted:Man imagine if we had Edgar vs Faber instead of that poo poo Yup. UFC matchmaking sure is quantity over quality lately
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Jul 7, 2014 04:50
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1st AD posted:Though maybe we can get Frankie to headline 176? frankie vs jens pulver
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Chael Sonnen Wanderlei Silva Stefan Struve BJ Penn We're one Evan Tanner death in the desert away from a complete set of sad career endings this weekend.
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Ty1990 posted:So I had to watch BJ die and Frankie's awesome performance probably won't even get talked about because he beat up an old guy. I also doubt it does much for him as far as moving closer to a title shot. Pretty stupid fight. And it's not hindsight either, I recall the overwhelming reaction to this fight when it was announced was "lol what?" I mean I expected an Edgar win when it was announced, but I didn't expect...whatever this depressing show could possibly be called.
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tesilential posted:Remember their first fight? Everyone was shocked that Frankie was able to take him down at all, which hadn't happened at LW since the first Pulver fight. Even then Frankie still just got like 2 quick takedowns the whole fight and BJ got right up. In the rematch Frankie was able to get a bunch of takedowns, but didn't really hold BJ down at will. When BJ got takedown down tonight he wasn't able to get up or do anything at all. That was 51 months ago, drat time flies
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mkay0 posted:Yup. UFC matchmaking sure is quantity over quality lately To be fair they did offer Faber to coach TUF against Frankie first but they wanted it at 145 and Urijah turned it down. Then a few days later Penn called Dana and they put it together.
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That was like a Viking funeral except the one Viking was old and had Alzheimer's and it was just sad rather than awesome
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Marching Powder posted:he is literally one win or one injury away from a rematch at all times. Right. But does a win over BJ Penn's corpse really *help* him at all? I guess I'm saying that there was pretty much zero chance BJ was going to win this fight, and the reward was so minimal for Frankie against the risk, that it was a very dumb and pointless fight to make.
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Well that sucked rear end lmao loving BJ what was he even doing in there
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I feel like this fight was Bj's equivalent of Howard Hughes building the Spruce Goose. Had a bunch of crazy ideas and no one told him they were wrong. surrounding himself with Yes-men and not having training partners to push him have always been Bj's biggest problems. That wasn't so bad when there weren't a lot of great camps or coaches, but now he looks ridiculous.
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Jul 7, 2014 04:58
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Yeah, except the Spruce Goose flew.
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Jul 7, 2014 04:59
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Ty1990 posted:Right. But does a win over BJ Penn's corpse really *help* him at all? I guess I'm saying that there was pretty much zero chance BJ was going to win this fight, and the reward was so minimal for Frankie against the risk, that it was a very dumb and pointless fight to make. i'm not arguing that that fight helped anyone ever. it's just that there was a glut of challengers at 145 and taking edgar out of the picture for a while hasn't helped the blockage, so situation: no change
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Jul 7, 2014 04:59
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Alright BJ, this fight we want your entire offense to be built around up kicks
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Xguard86 posted:I feel like this fight was Bj's equivalent of Howard Hughes building the Spruce Goose. Had a bunch of crazy ideas and no one told him they were wrong. BJ with his coaches 
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Alright BJ, this fight we want your entire offense to be built around up kicks Hey it hurt Edgar in his fight vs that henderson guy so it seemed to make sense to center his entire strategy around lying on his back like a crab and flailing his feet.
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Jul 7, 2014 05:03
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ChampRamp posted:Derrick Lewis emerged as the star of this show The Black Beast, The New Breed Also I know BJ Penn was a ghost but I thought Edgar looked very good out there. He may have also looked very good against a stuffed trash bag, but Edgar was keeping great defense in spite of BJ's lack of offense.
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Meowbot posted:Hey it hurt Edgar in his fight vs that henderson guy so it seemed to make sense to center his entire strategy around lying on his back like a crab and flailing his feet. I am terrified this was actually their logic. 1) Stand up super tall so he cant reach your head and bait the takedown 2)When you go down, upkick KO! what can possibly go wrong!
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1st AD posted:How long is Aldo's injury gonna put him out? Might as well do an interim title with Mendes vs anybody at this point. I'd be down for Frankie or Cub getting that fight. Yeah this is what I was wondering when you floating Mendes vs Edgar at 176 a few posts ago. If Aldo is only going to be out for less than 6 months it might be better to delay the Mendes title defense because you never know what could happen to the contenders. In a perfect world we'd get Swanson vs Aldo and Mendes vs Edgar but I think it's more realistic that Edgar sits out until they get him somebody like McGregor or Guida or some such. I don't think UFC wants to push Frankie to the title so quickly again.
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Xguard86 posted:surrounding himself with Yes-men and not having training partners to push him have always been Bj's biggest problems. That wasn't so bad when there weren't a lot of great camps or coaches, but now he looks ridiculous. Wasn't BJ hooking up with Aldo, Barao and Pederneiras the whole point of this fight? Also putting together some combination of Mendes, Swanson, Edgar and maybe Faber so as to cut down on the number of inevitable Aldo rematches has made sense for at least a year and a half or so now and just continues getting more and more obvious so here's hoping Decades fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Decades posted:Wasn't BJ hooking up with Aldo, Barao and Pederneiras the whole point of this fight? I know he was hanging with them a while back for a while but I haven't kept up enough to know if he was training with them for this fight.
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mkay0 posted:Yup. UFC matchmaking sure is quantity over quality lately If it were quantity over quality they wouldnt have kept Edgar on the shelf for a year trying to build up this fight
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Edgar v Aldo is awesome but I dont really ever want to see tonights fight so Im glad I worked late
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parthenocarpy posted:BJ should have had a panic attack Honestly during his walkout I wondered if he didn't have a mild freakout backstage or something. Pretty clear he knew he was cooked from the very beginning.
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BJ's plan with the stance was being as Frankie is faster than him and counterpunching is supposed to be BJ's game, by standing taller he gave himself more room to move and generate power and thus would have more space to counter Frankie as he came in with his punches. In practice this was of course a loving stupidass plan because that bit of space wasn't near enough to change how much faster and better Frankie is with his hands/kicks/takedowns/literally everything, but literally everything about taking this fight/unretiring at all was stupid.
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Bundt Cake posted:Edgar v Aldo is awesome but I dont really ever want to see tonights fight so Im glad I worked late it was worse than you could imagine. For a card with a bunch of 4-0 TUF guys on it BJ Penn looked the least competent out there.
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CarlCX posted:BJ's plan with the stance was being as Frankie is faster than him and counterpunching is supposed to be BJ's game, by standing taller he gave himself more room to move and generate power and thus would have more space to counter Frankie as he came in with his punches. i actually think it weirdly helps bjs legacy by showing that he was probably a featherweight by the standards of now
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Bubba Smith posted:it was worse than you could imagine. For a card with a bunch of 4-0 TUF guys on it BJ Penn looked the least competent out there. 
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Any idea what is going on with the post press conference? It should have started 26 minutes ago and just says "starting soon" on youtube.
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Bubba Smith posted:it was worse than you could imagine. For a card with a bunch of 4-0 TUF guys on it BJ Penn looked the least competent out there. In fairness to BJ, the TUF guys were fighting TUF guys and BJ was fighting Frankie loving Edgar.
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Meowbot posted:Any idea what is going on with the post press conference? It should have started 26 minutes ago and just says "starting soon" on youtube. Dana is currently being interviewed by Ariel on TV. They are waiting for all the people to be where they need to be.
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CarlCX posted:In fairness to BJ, the TUF guys were fighting TUF guys and BJ was fighting Frankie loving Edgar. Very true! And a good Frankie Edgar. Accurate as ever and even better on the ground. drat I'd love to see that version of Edgar have Aldo on his back. Meowbot posted:Any idea what is going on with the post press conference? It should have started 26 minutes ago and just says "starting soon" on youtube. Just started. Dana sounds down, but he's probably just tired from the looooong weekend.
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Gate: 531,000 Attendance: 6,500 FOTN: Issa-Tuexrun POTN: Issa POTN: Martins
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To 1st AD: Dana just said that Aldo is only supposed to be out 45 days. Mendes vs Aldo II will still go down.
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