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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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If you look at side of her left leg, you can see skin at the knee and further down, which makes me think that might be armor instead of a crazy boot. If that's the case I am ok with it, because it would be like a stylized version of what ancient greeks actually wore. Less ok with the fact that they're over serious wedges, and the whole open collar look, but its significantly better than I had expected.

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I'm pretty sure it's a stylistic thing that is descended from the fact that trying to actually illustrate eyes inside a mask was difficult given the print quality when some of the characters originate, so instead the artists would sketch the shape of the eye and leave it blank for contrast. That's why the white area will change with expressions as if it was the character's actual eye instead of a covering. It became iconic with early characters like Phantom and Batman, and adopted into part of the way things were drawn even once the quality was no longer a limiting factor.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Pimpmust posted:

There are a couple of guys with that look (minus possibly lipstick) but mostly older designs and/or Shatterstar (depending on how you view the weird "face armor" he got glued to the face) :v:
I think that Gambit is king of the topless mask look. His hair hangs out, his face is uncovered, and it even has little slots for his ears to poke out. What is the point of it? I personally think that he has a really pudgy face and he wears it to try and give his cheekbones some definition.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Now that I think about it, the 90s X-men cartoon was (understandably) a gallery of terrible costumes. Gambit's headsleeve, Cyclops was sporting a similar thing along with his lopsided suspender pouch strap, Jean Grey had that unfortunately flesh-toned thing with her own headsleeve and shoulderpads, and those are only the beginning. I assume those were the contemporary costumes, and they didn't just pick out the worst of the previous options.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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The crime of Jubliee's costume (is it actually a costume? It reads like a teenage fashion statement and isn't emblemed anywhere) isn't the trenchcoat, it's the rolled-up jean shorts.

Some of the costumes are silly but actually work very well, but I am not joking that Jean's is just terrible. Just a recolor from biege to yellow and removing the weird flaps and stuff would have made a huge difference.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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zoux posted:

Is there an actual term for that style of headgear?

Not really. When it's just sort of stapled to their face (Shatterstar) the closest real thing would be called a circlet or possibly a tiara. There might be some very specific term from costuming or something, who knows.

When it is integral part of the overall clothing, like Gambit or Cyclops, then the closest actual clothing was called a chaperon - although that is a much looser mantle-and-cowl arrangement than what you see in a comic, so it's close-topped. When it's open-topped, the closest thing to that sort of fitted head-and-neck covering you might see is a wimple (like nuns or medieval women wore).

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Powergirls's costume is unfortunate because apart from the cupcake problem I think it actually has some good color choice and styling (mostly I think the half-cape and cuffed gloves are good/interesting and the contouring/quilting on the plain costume works pretty well to make a plain white outfit more interesting on the page). But those redos basically trade closing the boobhole for overall ugly designs. I don't know why they decided they needed to stick a P on her somewhere, she's never had one and trying to mash it into her chest/bib is just clumsy. And swapping a fairly trademark cape for a more boring design seems like a bad choice. A decent redesign shouldn't be that hard, it's not like there aren't better ideas out there:


That's just off the front page of google and there's probably four more that are more interesting than what they went with.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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The problem is really that there is no good iconography for Britain that translates easily into a costume. The Union Jack is a very messy flag, and it's difficult to simplify in any way without it becoming unrecognizable. If you extract the colors you just have red, white, and blue, and it's going to be hard to not just be designing an off-brand Captain America (although this might be said to be an overall problem with the character in general).

If you decided to say gently caress it and just make a Captain England it would have two problems; first, that it would look an awful lot like Captain Red Cross, and also that St. George's cross is really only used by football fans and weirdo nationalists, so it's not exactly taking you in the right direction.

Britain doesn't have great, clear symbols, its all poo poo like lions and unicorns and intertwined roses or bulldogs and fat men in waistcoats.

The Jack Flag and Union Jack pictures above really have the best shot at it, I think, in terms of something you want to be redrawn tons of times on the page.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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That looks like it's just a color swap on Nightcrawlers classic costume. Which I think was a holdover from being in the circus? Honestly it was a pretty good costume on him.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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More likely that he traced a nude photo and then did a terrible job trying to draw clothes on.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Also it's not like Land was an artist dedicated to his craft who was driven to producing porn-traces through stress and deadlines, that's just how he works and he doesn't see anything wrong with it. As long as Marvel is prepared to keep passing him work, why wouldn't he take stacks of cash to flip through his archive of nudes?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Having a plain white costume does sort of present it's own challenges, but I think has generally been addressed by the piping on her outfit that most patterned costumes don't bother with - it works fine to give the costume some texture and shape so it's not just negative space.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Huntress looks like she was cajoled into this whole thing by her friend and is now seriously regreting the choices that led to this moment. PowerGirl at least has a sort of 'alright, I'm doing this!' air about her.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Drawing him with bulging veins makes him look really aggressive and rage-y. I don't know if that was the intent, but its the sort of thing you see on people like Bane, not just generally buff heroes.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I am hoping that the wrist blades are sort and an optional thing that she pops out when she decides someone needs a good stabbing and are not an always-on feature. Because always-on wrist blades are really awkward even by comic standards.

They also seem to be really lazily designed. Most of the sketches it's like the artist has just tagged on a point triangle there as a concession to the design, instead of actually drawing some sort of interesting blade. I realize they are basically katars and katars are actually look like that, but there's no reason she can't have some fancy knives.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Ms. Thing probably deserves a spot on the list, even if her head is showing.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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If Mayday is Spider-Woman now, who is Jessica Drew?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Amusingly, wolverines do not actually have retractable claws.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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WickedHate posted:

I am a pilgrim in an unholy land. A land of Scrappy haters.

I'm not sure I want to know, but what are your opinions on Snarf?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Travis343 posted:

Every costume on that page is pretty bad, except for Nightcrawler's 70s look.

It's kind of amazing to me how good Nightcrawler's costume is, because if you described it's elements in isolation it would sound pretty bad, but the whole thing really pulls together with the character to be a really solid costume.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Ok, I wasn't going to ask the first time, but now I have to - what happened with supergirls costume and how did they manage to make it worse than her miniskirt?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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That's definitely weird, particularly because the linework makes it clear that it is supposed to be some sort of stick-on addition to her suit and not just a coloring difference, with how it jags down below the level at the sides. It's like they decided she needed superman's underoos look, and then someone decided that supergirl couldn't wear anything that looked like regular briefs.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Assuming you just want to minimize your total armor in general, you may still armor your sword hand because it is going to the most extended/vulnerable part as you fight - any time you attack you are putting it closest to your enemy. That isn't true for your off hand unless you are doing something strange, it would either be trailing or with the rest of your body (think of the stereotypical fencing stance, although that is exaggerated).

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Technically it's a Kryptonian symbol for 'hope', so there's no reason to translate it. :v:

Ashcans
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Say Nothing posted:

Why is she so grimey?

It's really hard to operate a tap or hold a washcloth with those spiky brass fingers. :(

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Maybe those ARE the zords, and the pilots will all be talking animals

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Is that from twenty years ago, or did someone actually sit down recently and decide that the headsock needed to make a comeback?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I think the headsock looks decent on a charter like Firestorm, where the gap is because his head is venting fire. It looks weird when it just seems to serve to let your hair hang out, but when there is a better visual aspect I think it looks fine.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I feel kind of bad for anyone who gets stuck redesigning a Flash costume, because the original ones are really really good.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I would actually like to see some of the comic costumes given a blockbuster treatment, just out of curiosity as to what they would really look like. I mean that cosplayer picture obviously doesn't fit with the tone of suicide squad, but it doesn't look horrendous and that's probably just a bunch of semiprofessionals throwing in. What would it look like with real production behind it? The answer might well be 'like poo poo' which I guess was the case for Green Lantern, but I'd like to know.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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No, you're right, her legs are crazy long. I think that might be partly because its a concept sketch? It's a very common thing for fashion sketches, they all go toward really leggy looks rather than real proportions.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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mind the walrus posted:

Flash and Cyborg look like they need to go back to the Lazer Tag arena. Batman looks like he's about to burst out that suit and marshmallow fluff will spill out. Superman legit looks like that Rob Liefeld Captain America drawing. Wonder Woman is actually decent but the bodice still looks way too uncomfortable, especially for someone with more of an "ancient warrior" bent. Aquaman looks like the perfect intersection of Khal Drogo, Thor, and Drax in a way that's not too offensive in its own right but when put side by side with the rest of these weirdos is just disappointing.

I am actually ok with Wonder Woman (wedges aside). Given the actual look of ancient greek armor would include things like sculpted pecs/abs and belly buttons, I think the bodice is in theme. I do wish that they had made it come all the way up to her shoulders/neck so that it more closely mirrored the look, though. I'd also prefer her skirt to be longer/more armored, but again it actually copies the hoplite look reasonably well.


I have no idea why you would cast Jason Momoa for the part and then give him a costume that covers him up so much. Especially since Aquaman has already had very iconic looks that were bare-chested. If they wanted him to look a little more combat ready maybe they could have gone gladiator-style and given him one shoulder and sleeve to match the trident.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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mind the walrus posted:

This is just my preference--I really want to see a Wonder Woman who looks like a scrapper when she goes into combat. Someone who can move and move fast, and part of that is being able to twist her torso whenever she wants. A bodice like she's wearing is great when she's being a Diplomat (e.g: rubbing elbows with power players who were the types who actually wore that sculpted armor in Ancient Greece/Rome), but when it's time to fight she'll pull that poo poo off to reveal a light leather tunic/bodice deal.

I think the diplomat aspect is an important part of the character, so its ok if its played up in the costume. I'm a little uncertain of having too many costume changes in a movie. It does work sometimes when it's part of a clear pivot though, like when Captain America switches from his goofy USO costume to the combat mode once he decides to take control and actually punch some Nazis. So in that sense you could have Wonder Woman arrive in her rad diplomat gear and then when whatever happens that she has to get punchy she switches.

Flesh Forge posted:

A hard armor bodice/bustier that goes up under the armpits is really uncomfortable/downright painful. I mean I agree it looks kind of hot but I feel sorry for Gail Gadot, wearing that.
Yea, I am sure it isn't comfortable. I know that a lot of the hero costumes in general are pretty torturous to actually wear for the actors but its probably bad even on that scale. That maybe comes back to the above and you'd could drop it for a punchier outfit. I suspect that Cyborg is pretty miserable there too, but his whole costume is a mess so its just injury to insult.

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Man I thought his weird blank head was kind of creepy, but it's even worse when a nameless maw appears in the middle to emit the sound of a can fizzing.

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