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it's weird because it revolves solely around steam. when steam first took off everyone hated it. it was lovely. customer support was lovely. it was a big turd. but valve polished it and things began to smooth out. because valve had good games there already, it became a good foundation for other developers to sell games there too. people then discussed that because the games were digital and behind drm that if steam failed then they wouldnt be able to play their games anymore. Valve ducked and weaved around these forum posts and mostly hid them or ignored them. everyone forgot. now Steam is arguably the biggest online game retailer. other companies have tried, but steam just has a strangle hold. Valve appears to be doing everything right. the community loves them, Steam has a good selection, and everyone is there already. But its a near monopoly. and everyhting about Steam is something gamers have professed that they do not like. here's a list of things gamers do not like but still let Steam do: - drm - valve has sole power in being able to let you play your games - you are not buying a game but "paying for the opportunity to play one" - games being released before they are done (early release, beta poo poo, whatever) - micro transactions - more poo poo i can't think of right now so why are we putting up with it
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Team Fortress 2 hats, OP.
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zen death robot posted:even when you bought a physical game your getting a license to use, so nothing really changed there yeah but my i can still pop in my 20 year old copy of planescape and play
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zen death robot posted:that doesn't really have anything to do with the licensing thing the point is that black isle cant do anything to stop me from playing that game. valve can just turn off your account willy nilly
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Jul 17, 2014 15:56
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zen death robot posted:that doesn't really have anything to do with the licensing thing Buy it from GOG which is DRM free and can get it running on Windows 7 and 8.
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I remember when DOOM 3 came out on steam and it was a big deal because before then like valve and id were at war
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LaTex Fetish posted:the point is that black isle cant do anything to stop me from playing that game. valve can just turn off your account willy nilly Your game files are installed locally. You can play them without steam 99% of the time.
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I'm gonna be straight about Steam here and say that they've been pretty good about games that fall into legal limbo. If poo poo gets wierd about the legal status of a game, they've never taken away the rights from players to play them. I've only seen games taken off the store or, more rarely, full refunds. The stream DRM had been pretty fair and way better than other DRM solutions; I can barely tell that it's there at all. I can mod to hell and back and the DRM has never flipped on me. I've never had DRM issues while installing my games on other pcs, and the account gimmick that makes the DRM scheme possible is the same gimmick that lets me install my games/saves on other pcs effortlessly.
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The only real complaints I got is the bad customer service, the offline mode being sorta mediocre, their store main page being completely poo poo and not curated, and the inability to run enhanced stream straight into stream itself.
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lol what customer service
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zen death robot posted:Yeah they're totally gonna turn off accounts "willy-nilly" because they want to piss off customers and not make money since that's a good business plan stop intentionally missing the point. I also assume you've never had your account turned off and had to deal with their customer service edit: let me put it this way: i've never had my entire game collection go unavailable for weeks because best buy made a banking error after I bought a game LaTex Fetish fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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LaTex Fetish posted:stop intentionally missing the point. I also assume you've never had your account turned off and had to deal with their customer service I've heard whispers of this happening occasionally. That's really gotta suck and I hope this gets solved because it's the worst case scenario of their scheme.
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LaTex Fetish posted:the point is that black isle cant do anything to stop me from playing that game. valve can just turn off your account willy nilly you can also torrent pretty much any game from anywhere so that entire thing is moot as gently caress. really what people pay for is steam making access to their games effortless and the organization of all of it super easy. your cds are gonna go corrupt and unreadable eventually even if you store them in a dustless jewel-case, exactly like your floppies before them did. so again, nothing's really changed there either, since the whims of time can turn off access to your cds willy-nilly
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i think zen death robot is a good example of the 'cure of gaming' side of things. steam does do a lot of things well. it has great games. cheap games. ability to play with friends very easily. fun screenshots and a generally cool community. this harbors insane positivism among the community which is warranted and OK. but this creates an attitude that turns a blind eye to anything negative which effectively creates the 'cancer of gaming' side of things. Coolguye posted:you can also torrent pretty much any game from anywhere so that entire thing is moot as gently caress. c'mon mate
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zen death robot posted:there's no perfect anything so who cares i was just trying to have a discussion but i will close this thread since everyone got butthurt
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