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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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neonnoodle posted:

Chesterton had a huge influence on both Tolkein and C.S. Lewis, and Chesterton (and Belloc)'s Catholic socialism was pretty compatible with monarchy. Not coincidentally, Chesterton and Belloc were also xenophobes who thought the influx of ethnic immigrants to Britain, combined with evil technological capitalism and banking, was going to ruin their pastoral fairyland.

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This stuff works great if you're a Tory (like the article you posted gets into), but it's completely antithetical to American values. David Brin has a nice essay series about how awful the values of LOtR and even Star Wars are.

I'm trying to remember who it was who observed that in genre fiction, high fantasy has always been the domain of Christianity and European ethnic identity, and conversely sci-fi is dominated by assimilated Jews. The point being that sci-fi embraces a metropolitan, technological, secular and democratic future ideal that is very much in line with the sorts of American dream stuff that brought Jews to the US. It's reformist and progressive by its nature, even when it's dystopian, because the dystopia is usually a critique of lower social states like fascism. High fantasy on the other hand is nostalgic about a return to a social order where white kings, queens and knights literally lorded over everyone else by divine right.

David Brin's a cool guy, thanks for this.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Time Dissolver posted:

Iron Dream was a miserable slog that makes its point in about 20 pages but just goes on and on.

Wow, only a thousand pages quicker than every other fantasy novel.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Merdifex posted:

Funny thing that Scott Alexander had some good words to say about T-N Coates on Tumblr, I didn't closer, but I bet NRx isn't happy. He also called him a good writer, being probably one of the few people who would praise Coates's writing vs. his content.

Coates is my hero because he cultivates his comments section. Engaging some of the off the wall arguments that people try to wield against his ideas in good faith is honestly pretty brave of him.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Ellis has always been a doofus but I have always enjoyed his tireless mocking of technoutopians.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Gene Ray was more likable than most of these people, because no one took him seriously

Gene Ray and Francis E. Dec don't even count.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Asclepius Hot Rod posted:

Oh. My. That accent is...god awful! Since the trans-Atlantic accent is practically dead in the US and only heard in old movies and radio shows, he had to CHOOSE to speak that way. Such an enlightened individual indeed!

His love of Rome and the fact that he is a lawyer reminds me of someone who posted in the Roman/Greek Ask/Tell thread several years ago. Dude was convinced that the "Old Ways" were superior to modern life and that he would have been an aristocrat under the old Roman system. I wonder if they are the same person.

He popped up in some of the other history threads sometimes and he was hilarious because you just couldn't tell.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Terrible Opinions posted:

I could see the value of a long-form article because it wasn't just Nazis they were trying to escape, but literally every other movement and activity that Dark Enlightenment idealizes. Runaway capitalism, non-Nazi fascists, industrialization specifically the industrialization of war, futurists, military monarchs, etc were all things specifically pointed to as absolute evils in early twentieth century romanticism because it was all inspired by WW1 and its immediate aftermath.

All of these things have some beginning in romatic utopianism of the authoritarians, especially the imagined past of a harmonious social body without class tension(remember where 'holism' comes from), idyllic communities free of want, and childlike people blissfully unaware of their inferiority to the elite.

I think the autocritique of Simarillion tries to deal with this, or at least some of the assumptions surrounding the Aryanisms of the elves. Poor reading can just exacerbate these tendencies in LOTR trilogy.

David Brin has written on this:
http://www.salon.com/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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He certainly has a point of view and isn't charitable to Tolkien, but I forgive that when a lot of these elements are commonly glossed over especially when defending Tolkien from lesser fantasy works. Or downplaying to what extent his influence has created these troublesome assumptions.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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That literally just sounds like a typical brainy teenager.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

There is not a thread on SA immune to the Fallout curse.

At least it's the good one!

Munin posted:

I've been listening to this very good set of podcasts on the French Revolution and that sentiment is very much present there.

What is the podcast?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Woolie Wool posted:

Now you know what "purity balls" are for.

That's just a straightforward pseudoincest thing.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:

What's the best superhero comic? Final Crisis?

Yes.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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divabot posted:

please stop talking about race and instead talk about RED TIDDAY UP WHITE TIDDAY DOWN again

no hold on

Honestly, it's kind of sad. To see someone holding themselves out as a great thinker or whatever and it just turns out they're basically just Imari with a slightly bigger and more self-serious cult following.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Cingulate posted:

Why do you assume the SD of Haitian IQ is 15?

Next assignment: why should you not have thought so?

(I'm not defending the original statement, which was probably also made by a statistically illiterate person.)

You already know what the agenda is, so what would it actually matter?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Cingulate posted:

Whose agenda? This ESR person? I don't know, probably something related to taxes and government trying to help the disenfranchised?
In the long run, people's agendas matter much less than truth.

Trying to "prove" that Haitians are mentally retarded on average has nothing whatsoever to do with truth and everything to do with a political agenda.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Let's take it as read - what would low IQ "explain"?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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You still haven't answered the question of what that would actually imply.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Cingulate posted:

Can you ask that a bit more precisely? (What would what imply for what?)

What do IQ tests actually measure for, and how are they relevant to relations between people?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Cingulate posted:

I bet STEM people are more progressive on basically every issue than fair comparison groups (e.g., matched for gender and age). To phrase the same point differently: thinking computers will solve all the world's problems is a lot better than thinking guns will.

Gahahah. Alright. I bet you a hundred bucks.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Count Chocula posted:

I dunno how you get from something so simple into racism. I guess I could start my own antinatalist site or group, but there's no point - I'd just alienate people, and it's not like philosophy will make people stop having kids.

It's not really a stretch to imagine how "some people shouldn't be born" could quickly turn into full blown racism.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Count Chocula posted:

It's not 'some people', though. It's 'nobody should be born'. It's 'birth guarantees death'.

The inherent contradiction of someone currently living taking that as a philosophical position is a short leap to "some people shouldn't be alive". After all, you yourself are alive, and have no intention of dying prematurely.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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I always wanted to buy this instead of just reading a bunch of blog posts, but he'll be finished with it somewhere around 2025.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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I'm really glad I bought Sandifer's book on Moore and Morrison. His style is extremely readable, not something you can say for many blogs.


Well, yes.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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divabot posted:

Yudkowsky fellation in Scientific American Blogs. None of his opinions have changed in the years since the Sequences. He's also kind enough to directly state that giving him money for AI pseudoscience is ridiculously more important than mosquito nets, you plebs.

The comments on that are hilarious.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Check his rap sheet.

No need, because these guys make it so easy by quoting the recruitment booklet verbatim with no deviation.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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divabot posted:

Just recorded 75 min of Eruditorium Press podcast with Phil Sandifer to plug Neoreaction a Basilisk. Hopefully I didn’t babble or talk over him too much.

Skype is the correct way to make international calls. Couldn’t find the USB soundcard to plug the professional quality microphone into, so I did the phone call on … my phone. Which means I got to put software on my phone to turn it into a phone. Quality not great but not horrendous. It’ll be good enough, Phil thinks.

I’ve known Phil since like 2004 and we’ve never spoken before. We conversed marvellously and sparklingly. If we ever make it down a pub together it will need to be recorded for posterity and profit.

I won’t spoiler the podcast (except to say that red tidday UP got a few minutes), but we hope it will entertain and inform. And it should be vital and informative material, particularly for rationalists trying to work out how to hate the book accurately, let alone how to hate me accurately. A hopefully useful contribution to sneer culture.

When will it be up?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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I would rather Fragmaster had read this.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Tesseraction posted:

What does 'steelmanning' mean by the way?

The opposite of a strawman - to try and imagine the "best" and most sound version of your opponents argument to lend credence to your counterargument.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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I really hate when people say "batshit insane". "Batshit" already implies insane, it always comes off as a Redditism.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Heresiarch posted:

When the hell did Pando stop being just a bunch of press releases?

It's still garbage but it's different garbage, I wonder what happened.

Literally from the start Pando has been plugging away at Peter Thiel and Pierre Omidyar, so I imagine Carr & Co are like pigs in poo poo right now.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Count Chocula posted:

Are there any good non-rear end in a top hat/NRX adjacent sites for nihilism and antinatalism?

What would that even look like, I wonder.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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"Mr. Mean Spirited" couldn't handle someone like Sotos.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Count Chocula posted:

They should just embrace the 60s/70s setting and make the freaky New Wave Sci-fi show TOS was always straining to be. Totally trippy and queer.

This has always been the vibe of Harlan Ellison getting his filthy hands on Trek.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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pookel posted:

I just realized that Scott Alexander apparently learned how to write on TVTropes.

I'm noticing that with a lot of people and it's really irritating to read.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Twerkteam Pizza posted:

Harry Potter and The fart noises seems very bad op. As does yud

I'm amazed that someone could get through more than 500 words of it. I realize that it's fanfic but come on.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

HPMOR is so bad that I legitimately can't even get through Let's Reads of it or whatever they're called.

I have no idea why people bother arguing over whether it's scientifically accurate, or really rational, when just on a basic page-to-page basis it's the worst thing ever

Yeah. It's legitimately unreadable. If you're going to write didactic crap at least get some Upton Sinclair in you, not Ayn Rand.

Jack of Hearts posted:

I think it's kinda fascinating, because someone has created a didactic philosophical "novel," with an actual fan base, worse that Atlas Shrugged itself.

That's interesting to think about but sure as hell is not interesting to read.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Avenging_Mikon posted:

Found a guy similar to hbomb, and this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBcLJR-zooA
Helped me realize Stefan and Peter Molyneux are not the same person.

Peter Molyneux may be a conman but he enjoys his life too much to be one of these miserable fucks.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Curvature of Earth posted:

From what I've picked up, SA peaked around 2005. It's userbase was probably mostly college students, and only ten years have passed since then. Late twenties to early thirties is hardly "old as balls".

If you want old, you'll need to go to LinkedIn.





Feel free to crack jokes about the unique age/horrifying gender distributions of Hacker News!

If I had to guess which of these sites best represents SomethingAwful's age skew, I'd say Hi5 (a site I've never heard of outside these charts). No idea where we'd fall in gender distribution.

I don't know why I'm so surprised how young DA skews.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Here's the latest from Mister Mean-Spirited, a man so edgy, he hasn't been able to touch anyone in years https://mister-mean-spirited.blogspot.com/2016/07/it-is-time-for-backlash.html
By the "clash of civilizations" theory, hasn't the West already killed many, many more Muslims than the latter has killed in terror attacks against the West?

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Tesseraction posted:

Milo once again reminding us we should def. take him seriously

https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/753828087318532096

Why do these guys not like clothes that fit?

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