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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

UnoriginalMind posted:

Similarly, Alexander Pushkin, who is considered to be the greatest Russian poet of all time if not the greatest Russian writer. Wikipedia says his great-grandfather was brought over from Africa, so that makes him 1/4 of African descent, right? I never read him, but a professor of mine specialized in his work and mentioned that his heritage was pretty well known and people often made fun of his lips. In response, he dueled people all the time.

Goodness, an important part of western culture being influenced by Africa?! UNSPEAKABLE.

Is there any evidence that their African heritage influenced their creative output in any meaningful way, though, other than people making fun of what are not entirely rare features for non-African-heritaged Europeans? I'm probably at least 1/8 Latvian, but if I ever got famous and Latvians started claiming me as their own I'd be more than a little bit annoyed.

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

bartlebyshop posted:

More high quality thinking from a leading light of the Dark Enlightenment.



I know this is a bit of a forum cliché at this point, but is this guy basically butthurt because good white Christians like him are being cucked by Muslims and immigrants? :allears:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Sharkie posted:

Yes. All this poo poo is rooted in misogyny as much as racism.

More specifically, it's sexual insecurity and women as chattel and reward, a just reward being stolen by those swarthy foreigners.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

bartlebyshop posted:

Behold.

Choice quotes:

RaNaWa

Also, I love how monarchs never went to war over the most frivolous poo poo. :allears:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Jack Gladney posted:

Kid brother trailing along behind begging to be part of the gang.

Who's Aurini's fat friend who films himself in the tub?

Aspirational tubboi?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Would a real Übermenschlymensch really need to spend time whining about how people are mean about his looks?

Also, under suggested videos: ADOLF HITLER's Triumph of the Will (1935, 1080p) - German w/ Eng Subtitles :laugh:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I like how reactos simultaneously believe

1: We are in a puritanical society that hates joy and that won't let them have any fun

2: We are in a disgusting decadent hedonistic society that allows too much

Translation into human: "there is a deep underlying complicated sophisticated reason that everybody is having fun but MEEEEEEEEEEE :qq:"

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I was wondering the other day, just how much of the Dark Enlightenment is tied to Silicon Valley psychopath software engineer and venture capitalist types?

Most of those are buttcoin libertarians. They're a bit too in love with constant innovation to really get into conservatism.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I like how the Dark Enlightenment love making charts and graphs for themselves, and none of them ever clarify anything.

The purpose of charts and graphs is not to elucidate, but to intimidate.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

RagnarokAngel posted:

There's a forum called /r/Redpillwomen which is basically for women who buy into that stuff. It's like a social experiment in stockholm syndrome.

Don't forget Christian Domestic Discipline.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

Um, dude, that's not BDSM. It's not a kayfabe kink thing. It's a group of men who believe they need to spank/beat their wives to bring them together as a family. They're very adamant about the fact that it is :siren: NOT SEXUAL :siren:. Whether or not you believe them, they are very serious about it.

Quite a few of the testimonials are from women, though. :confused:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

The women buy into it too, they both agree to the woman's "place" and the man's "place" in disciplining her. It has nothing to do with the BDSM community for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is BDSM's valuing of safewords and consent.

Not that I was making the connection to BDSM (that was Monocled Falcon), but from the very homepage I linked:

"This website is intended to be a haven for married couples who practise safe and consensual Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD)"

That being said, if you read their Non-Conesnsual Consent page, safewords aren't really there.

It does, in any event, seem to fit in with redpilledwomen as far as them buying into this submission above and beyond play-acting - which is why I brought it up.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

InediblePenguin posted:

that page you linked explicitly says that by marrying somebody you've just given consent forever. that outdated concept that lead to the idea that you can't get raped if you're married. just because they said "safe and consensual" at one point doesn't mean they are actually using the words to mean what they're supposed to mean to society at large

I just think this is a cautionary tale which should be in people's minds when they assess more "progressive" BDSM power exchanges and such. Is there a real exit strategy for someone being abused? You look at stories from the "DD is not DV" page, like this one, and she says she "was able to escape" a relationship she did find abusive, but there's nothing in her description of the loving submissive relationship she has now that provides tools for women to leave, and there is a lot of metaphorical self-flagellation. I've seen disturbingly similar themes in BDSM submissive writing, even though the reasoning is not faith-based.

In any event, CDD would probably seem very sensible to neoractionaries (except they could never live up to the ideals of the benevolent Christian husband these women are looking for, and they couldn't lead an expedition to find their own rear end in a top hat, much less a household), and these women definitely sound redpilled.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Darth Walrus posted:

Do bear in mind that many subgenres of sci-fi have their own distinct politics. 'Space fantasy' like Star Wars borrows heavily from the fantasy politics mentioned above (obviously) with a sci-fi veneer painted over it, and mil-SF (military sci-fi) is notorious for circling around (and sometimes diving right into) overt fascist apologia. A particularly infamous example would be Tom Kratman's 'A Watch on the Rhine', where heroic Waffen-SS were resurrected to fight aliens.

As mil-sci-fi goes, it's funny to compare Heinlein, the peacetime Navy vet who wrote Starship Troopers apparently unironically, to Joe Haldeman, a Vietnam war vet who wrote The Forever War.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Darth Walrus posted:

Similarly, everything Kratman's ever written makes the fact that he managed to become a lieutenant colonel in the US military more and more horrifying.

"[Kratman] then spent time at the U.S. Army War College as Director, Rule of Law, for the Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute."

:stonk:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Small Frozen Thing posted:

It is absolutely not a strawman. The Sword of Truth books Chocula mentioned feature a scene in which the protagonist righteously massacres a horde of "evil pacifists" for blocking his way to the villain, who is an evil Pseudo-Asian Communist. Him realizing the pacifists are evil for rejecting violence is considered an epiphany about objective morality. The books are completely in earnest.

I remember liking the Dark Elf Trilogy as a kid. I read it again a bit more recently, and I realized that it was truly hosed up that the story is about someone who escapes the evil destined to his race (the evilly evil Dark Elves, who live in darkness and yet also have uselessly dark skin), only to find enlightenment in the undiscriminating butchery of another "essentially evil" race. (People who are familiar with D&D would know that Rangers basically get racism bonuses: bonus points for attacking foes from a favored race).

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Polybius91 posted:

I had a run-in not too long ago with someone that, while they not full-on DE (they were a self-professed communist), had the same weird admiration for autocracy and same conviction that democracy was a failed experiment. I made the mistake of arguing with them, and these were the main points that came up:

-They were in favor of a strong social safety net, so I mentioned that most of the countries with those (included Scandinavia, Japan, Germany, France, the UK) were democracies. He said something to the effect of "Are they? Cuba isn't a democracy." and said that Japan and Germany didn't count because "their economies are due to collapse any day."

-He brought up China as an example of superior governance, using the recent passing of their GDP over the US's as evidence. I brought up the Foxconn factory suicides, and he said that those were "exaggerated by the media, and Foxconn workers actually had a lower suicide rate than the Chinese population in general." I also mentioned the horrible air and the buildings that weren't likely to last more than 20 years, which he waved off with a vague "China is actually working on fixing those."

-As an elaboration of the previous, he said that the problem with democracy was that "all the arguments create deadlock and nothing gets done." This was the reason he gave for the the US's economy fell behind China's.

-He claimed that it didn't make any sense to point out the USSR's gulags, because the U.S.'s high incarceration rate and terrible treatment of its prisoners didn't make it any better.

-I mentioned that autocracies often were plagued by hilarious wastes of taxpayer money, such as dictators' inauguration ceremonies that cost the entire nation's GDP. He said democracies weren't any better because they often wasted the taxpayers' money on military boondoggles such as the F35.

-The subject of food insecurity came up. When I pointed out that, for all their faults, democracies tend to have much higher food security and much lower starvation rates for their people (even the US), he claimed that the data was unreliable because it was pulled from American governmental agencies.

I just... holy poo poo. :psyduck: How can someone have so many left-wing sympathies (he's made his outrage over American police brutality very plain, I should add) and still support the forms of government that machine gun people like him?

You're acting like you've never talked to an actual communist party flak before. I've known plenty of people like this during my left-wing activism in Israel. I guess one of the few good things about the US is that you don't really have parties with serious presence who contain the same leadership which has spent years running apologetics for the USSR and such.

Hell, some of them will unironically portray North Korea as a positive role model. (Notable in that camp is a famous though marginal Israeli activist who would come to each protest with a shirt featuring Stalin).

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Spoilers Below posted:

In May's defense, he was also a favorite of Albert Einstein:


From what little I know about his work, he always tried to portray Native Americans sympathetically, and Hitler seemed to have missed May's messages about world peace and tolerance for other races. He hosed up as much as one would expect for a white dude writing in the latter half of the 1800s, especially when it came to what we see today as pejorative terms for ethnic groups, but he was head and shoulders above his contemporaries otherwise.

I think that what Hitler must have loved about Karl May is how, say, Old Shatterhand could just waltz into the Old West and master it with the power of having sat down and read a lot of books. It must have appealed to a goony shut-in.

I did read one of those books; they were popular in their Hebrew translation at some point. I vaguely remember it as kind of a bland Western with Old Shatterhand being an obvious Mary Sue; I didn't bother looking for another.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

neonnoodle posted:

Look let's all agree it's the reptoids.

Wait, aren't they at war with the octopoids? :confuoot:

IslamoNazi posted:

Assuming this lizard in a kippah is also a banker then only moderately devout. I don't think they can grow those sweet sideburn curls you need to be fully orthodox.


:swoon:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Reptoids can't be Jewish, they aren't kosher.

Human meat isn't kosher, either.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Sham bam bamina! posted:

What does that have to do with the Jews???

By Jove, you're right!

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Loomer posted:

It Makes the Dutroux affair conspiracies alarmingly plausible. Dutroux was a belgian pedophile and child pornographer who claimed, throughout his trials and after, to have been involved in trafficking children for a Europe wide ring of elites. Hogwash! Only then it turns out there really was an elite ring of pedophiles in high places in England. And more and more keeps coming out. So the idea is now chillingly plausible.

Is he still alive? Can he be bargained with to take other people down for increased amenities or something?

Namarrgon posted:

Is it something about power that breeds pedophiles? Are pedophiles inherently more attracted to positions of power? Or is the percentage of pedophiles simply much higher in the population than I thought?

Apparently people are capable of monstrous things when they aren't used to hearing the word "no".

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Sharkie posted:

Point conceded. But if you had read the book you'd know the proper response was to char a pointed stick until it hardens then track me across the plains. Looks like someone needs to take the red pill :smuggo:.

edit: Wait, wait wait. I thought females like red because it reminds them of the berries they gathered?

Men like red like this, but women like red like thiiis.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

neonnoodle posted:

It's like rain on your wedding day.

It's like good advice that you just can't take (because of Dunning-Kruger).

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
It's like meeting the man of your dreams, and then meeting his beautiful waifu.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
It's like a no-smoking sign, on your *cough* cigar *cough* break *cough* *cough*.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Ronwayne posted:

Crossovers with the anti-vaxx movement?

Vaccination does provide the weak with an ability to survive the plagues meant to cull our species of our lessers. :newt:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

grate deceiver posted:

Lollin at that tiny femininity completely disconected from the rest of the graph

The womenfolk are segregated from the manly men, as was ordained. :mrapig:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

But there was that episode of Star Trek: TNG where it totally worked and they thawed out some silly character actors!

And even there some of them didn't survive the process.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Think of all the people you could save with these idiots` organs. :smith:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

We've detected brain cell activity way after blood stopped flowing to the brain so there's at least a tiny kernel of truth behind it but technology as it is will probably gently caress your poo poo up so bad you're basically banking on a magic future where the cost of repairing your cells is free because lol if they're gonna revive the older heads out of kindness or whatever, so again Star Trek needs to be viewed as a factual account of the future for any of this to work.

Also brain cells doing stuff in the brain after death freaks me the gently caress out :ohdear:

Even in Star Trek utopia they all froze themselves prior to death, and some of them didn't make it. In other words:

Political Whores posted:

If they were more honest with themselves they would realize they know this poo poo isn't any more effective than storing their organs in canopic jars for use in the next life, and that's why they don't just freeze themselves right now.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Ratoslov posted:

What kind of mad-man would do this sort of thing? :psyduck:

Surely if it's hard to learn that means that the fact that they understand it makes them smart by default, right? :pseudo:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Conspiracy theorists are basically social-science/political-science creationists: they refuse to accept that any collective phenomenon could appear without an intelligent designer, in this case, some kind of hidden cabal pulling strings behind the scenes.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I mean in this case there even is a "designer" - all of these logos are carefully crafted, deliberate marketing moves made by cold, soulless marketing departments in response to the news. It's just that "we live in a consumerist hellscape where everything with any meaning can and will be boiled down to a marketing campaign to promote airline tickets and clickbait garbage" is a much less sexy idea than some secret conspiracy to control these poor companies and therefore control the world or whatever.

That's my point, though. There isn't a designer, or coordination; instead, there's just several marketing/PR departments independently jumping on this using well-worn cliches. It's not some cabal turning one lever. But they are unable to move beyond ascribing unitary agency to related phenomena.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

MizPiz posted:

I feel terrible saying this, but any chance they aren't actually miscarriages?

Tellingly, the term in Hebrew for miscarriage is "natural abortion".

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
MIRI is the AI SuperPAC: unlimited, undisclosed donations, as long as they make sure not to coordinate with an actual AI.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

"You see the Vulcans on Star Trek were so cool because they had emotions and learned to completely suppress them, not because they were void of them completely" - what a nerd thinks probably

That's why they discover space-travel first, but end up as no more than a curiosity in the human-dominated Federation.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Toph Bei Fong posted:

One of the little things I love about Aurini's videos is the Hunter S. Thompson biography in the background of a lot of his videos.



Thompson, as I'm sure most of your are aware, was a real man's man. He spent most of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even 90s drunk or high (or both), and hosed around the country Speaking Truth while writing hilarious take downs of the various elites that were ruining the country. A libertarian who never compromised, never backed down, never gave up, whether he was mocking Nixon to his face, exposing the lies of the Clinton administration, of trashing the American Dream for the cocked up load of bull poo poo that it is, he was a man for all men to emulate.

The problem is, of course, that Aurini almost certainly hasn't read that particular biography. Gonzo: The Life of Hunter S. Thompson by Thompson's former assistant Corey Seymour and Rolling Stone owner and editor-in-chief Jann S. Wenner is an oral biography compiled from interviews with everyone Thompson knew during his life, and is basically a huge take down of every myth, legend, or rumor that you've ever heard about him, leaving him looking like a gigantic, irresponsible, and sexist rear end in a top hat who people mostly tolerated because he wouldn't leave them alone and/or because he made them money. If it weren't written by two of his best friends, one might call it a hit piece. His writing might be fun, but the truth it wasn't.

I could understand if it was a copy of The Great Shark Hunt or Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72, but this particular bio? It's difficult to imagine how someone could read about Hells Angels founder Sonny Barger calling Thompson a coward who hid in the trunk of his car rather than stand his ground when things got a little heavy, and later lied about having been in a big gang fight, and think "This is one of my heroes".

I don't know, I'm getting the impression that he's running the intimidation con like Trump, so he might want to emulate the real Thompson, rather than the projected Thompson. That being said, he's never going to make anybody that much money.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I've always been partial to Voight-Kampff. :v:

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Curvature of Earth posted:

Actually, I think it's possible to have a good government without democracy. :words: ahead. I've put far too much thought into this.

While NRx take "remove democracy" to mean "concentrate all power in the individual head of state", I go the other way: extend the conventions of the civil service that normally govern all the lower-level non-appointed workers up to the very top.

The civil service is actually more democratic than elected officials: you can't attend a family reunion without tripping over a dozen people who work in the government, be they secretaries, civil engineers, teachers, and so on. But you can go your whole life without ever meeting a single elected official.

Teachers have a drat good idea what methods for teaching kids work and don't work, and they know drat well what resources they need to do so. Remove elected officials from the picture and let those who are most qualified set policies. Same goes for civil engineers.

Oppression of minorities? (After all, traffic engineers did think it was a great idea to bulldoze predominantly black and poor neighborhoods to build the national highway system.) There are already a shitload of investigative, auditing, and regulatory departments and committees aimed at individual parts of the government. Give their enforcement powers actual teeth and let them do their job. We could also instate affirmative action, to the point of full-blown quotas. Forcing the government to accurately reflect the demographics of the people it's governing would go a long way towards fixing institutional prejudice.

Won't race/gender/religious/etc staffing quotas fill the government with incompetents? Actually, no. Provided they actually like their own jobs, the vast majority of people can be made competent by providing sufficient training and resources. The "best and brightest" make up a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the workforce. Providing the right conditions workers need to thrive in their jobs is vastly more important than hiring the best people.

There, I just put more thought into how a functional post-democracy government would work than dozens of wannabe monarchists.

Engaging too much in this line of thinking might be a bit ofa derail, but that sounds like how the USSR and many other Socialist/Communist countries used to do things. They were complete failures, as "Dark Enlightenment" "thinkers" will be eager to point out.

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