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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

UnoriginalMind posted:

C'mon man, we can rip on Justine Tunney for good reasons, let's leave her gender identity out of it.

She does support crazy misandrists though, which I was unaware of. It's a layer cake of loving bonkers!

Misandrists? Not sure what you're getting at there, unless you're making a jab at some of the assumptions about gender some of the (even) creepier MRAs cling to.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sham bam bamina! posted:

MRAs use the concept of sexism against men as a boogeyman to justify their crazy, spiteful attitudes toward women. Therefore, crazy, spiteful attitudes toward men cannot ever exist, and certainly not on the Internet, where everyone is level-headed and understanding.

I mean, I get that it's possible that she hangs out with dedicated man-haters (and holy crap is this not the place to have an argument over whether misandry is an actual thing or not), but when you're a neo-fascist who was just pictured with a couple of MRA propagandists, it does rather point to you sharing in one particular form of sexism.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Ah, that makes sense. I'd assumed that "misandrists" was the intended word, because it's pretty hard to switch those two antonyms accidentally, but I guess that it's more likely for UnoriginalMind to have made a bizarre mistake than it is for rabid man- and woman-haters to have willingly smiled together for the same picture.

I was figuring that the 'neo-fascist' bit was important as well. Kinder, Küche, Kirche and all that.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

DarklyDreaming posted:

This is a grown man doing cosplay in an official photo. He is not wearing a suit and tie, nor is he holding a cigar. He is wearing a Don Draper costume and I feel that's all I need to say about him and all that he stands for.

They literally call themselves the Dark Enlightenment. I think this bears repeating.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Much like that one other guy with his untouched cigarettes and scotch, he probably doesn't enjoy the act of smoking, but carries a cigar as a prop anyway just so people know for sure just how goddamn manly and old fashioned he is.

To be fair, no-one would ever guess otherwise. I mean, they still won't now, because useful problem-solving is not a known skill for Internet neo-Nazis, but his self-awareness about his manliness shortfall is commendable.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
He literally believes that the state of modern science could and should be improved by a few generations of inbreeding. Holy poo poo. I mean, has he seen what the family trees of European royalty used to look like?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

bartlebyshop posted:

These people have this idea that genetics in the real world works like it does in ASOIAF, where it's very important to preserve Targaryen physical and mental characteristics through constant inbreeding. Except even GRRM realized that this tends to make people in the family super hosed up.

All I'm saying is, I hope this guy doesn't have any sisters. Or nieces.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I imagine that it's slightly difficult to make anti-Semitism a mainstream part of your philosophy when one of its most respected figures outside the movement is called Eliezer Yudkowsky. Not impossible, sure (bizarre mental gymnastics are kind of this lot's stock in trade), but difficult.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

uber_stoat posted:

We alone, the vanguard of this new Dark Enlightenment, are strong enough to face these Dark truths: the blacks are stupid and women should shut up and do what we tell them.

This, of course, brings up the other fundamental problem with the name - why the hell would white-supremacists call themselves the Dark Enlightenment?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Halloween Jack posted:

Why do they call it black metal?

Black metal isn't inherently racist, though (outside NSBM, anyway :psyboom:) - it's just very, very heavily populated by racists. 'Dark Enlightenment' sounds like an affirmative-action program for black students, which is literally the exact opposite of what these guys want.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Why the hell would one of them be so crippingly retarded as to refer to himself as "Mencius Moldbug"?

That, at least, is perfectly explicable, forum user Ugly In The Morning.

Seriously, though, this is the internet. A whole lot of folks pick weird, quirky usernames without ever considering the possibility that they might someday become major figures. Hence why one of the more respected journalists covering the Arab Spring and its aftermath is called Brown Moses.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

coyo7e posted:

Haha it's a glass of iced apple juice? That's even more ridiculous. They use water/juice in film and on stage because they don't want the person to get drunk - but Aurini doesn't ever, ever sip his drink.

Note that the next video (probably filmed the same day, since it's the same office corner with the same open notebook etc laying next to him) is titled "Why I respect Jack Thompson more than Anita Sarkeesian".

Ironically these are almost literally two of the main tenets of fascism.

Ironically? These guys are fascists (or as near as makes no difference), aren't they?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Swan Oat posted:

Aurini has a girlfriend? I will not rest, until I have cucked him. This I swear, upon my life and sacred honor. I will cuck Davis Aurini.

Have you seen what sort of guy she's attracted to?

Think of the personal cost, man.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Phobophilia posted:

can we stop digging into the lives of internet weirdos please?

Isn't that half* the point of this subforum?

* the other half is cat gifs

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Right, yeah. Outside the U.S., 'liberal' often means 'socially-acceptable libertarian'. Since the U.S. doesn't have a firmly-established or well-supported tradition of outright socialist thought, liberals are the closest things the country has to a major, visible left wing.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Baracula posted:

Hahaha sorry eugene debs you dont exist

Well, no. He's been dead for ninety years. The labour movement in America is pretty much dead and buried, and the more left-wing of the two electable parties, the Democrats, certainly don't have a tremendous amount of interest in it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Silver2195 posted:

Other way around. He's saying Neanderthal-descended people are the superior ones (literally because Neanderthals had prettier faces than Cro-Magnons).

I know we're not supposed to bring people's personal lives into this, but now I really wanna see this guy's photo.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pedestrian Xing posted:

Also that chart unsurprisingly includes a few straight up white supremacists.

'A few'?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

A lot of neo-reactionaries love both SF and Fantasy though, being huge nerds.

Do bear in mind that many subgenres of sci-fi have their own distinct politics. 'Space fantasy' like Star Wars borrows heavily from the fantasy politics mentioned above (obviously) with a sci-fi veneer painted over it, and mil-SF (military sci-fi) is notorious for circling around (and sometimes diving right into) overt fascist apologia. A particularly infamous example would be Tom Kratman's 'A Watch on the Rhine', where heroic Waffen-SS were resurrected to fight aliens.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Absurd Alhazred posted:

As mil-sci-fi goes, it's funny to compare Heinlein, the peacetime Navy vet who wrote Starship Troopers apparently unironically, to Joe Haldeman, a Vietnam war vet who wrote The Forever War.

Similarly, everything Kratman's ever written makes the fact that he managed to become a lieutenant colonel in the US military more and more horrifying.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Absurd Alhazred posted:

"[Kratman] then spent time at the U.S. Army War College as Director, Rule of Law, for the Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute."

:stonk:

For anyone lucky enough to be unfamiliar with Kratman, his afterword to Caliphate, a book about Europe becoming an evil Muslim empire is completely on-topic for this thread.

Remember, this man was a lieutenant colonel in the US Army who gave lectures on the rule of law during peacekeeping operations.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
And guys like E. E. Smith, the founder of space opera, were pretty open in their approval of fascism. That guy would certainly have been Hitler the sci-fi writer's contemporary, as would The Iron Dream's other inspiration, Robert Howard, whose entire oeuvre was shaped by his bizarre racial philosophy.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

neonnoodle posted:

Did you know there's a direct correlation between the decline in Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it.

What is the neoreactionary position on Spongebob Squarepants?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

Do you think the nazis seemed this pathetic when they tried appropriating vikings and poo poo, or is it more the face that these turds are using comfortable nostalgic avatars of their bourgeois childhood to style themselves the death of liberal democracy?

Like, how scary can you be when you can't let go of your suburban home and how Dragon Ball Z helped you feel safe when you were a fat nerd who got bullied every day?

The Nazis were giant goons. Apart from his questionable taste in facial hair, Hitler delighted in the fact that 'Adolf' meant 'noble wolf', and did stuff like call his Eastern Front HQ the Wolfsschanze, or 'Wolf's Lair'. Goering kept making up super-special medals to award himself. Himmler created the Ahnenerbe, an organisation geared, in part, at weaponising magic. Rudolf Hess was a member of a bona-fide cult called the Thule Society whose beliefs appeared to be primarily based on Conan the Barbarian novels.

They'd be hilarious if they weren't some of the most successful mass-murderers in history.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

Actually, a lot of the DE people in this thread are basically just a super-suit or industrial accident away from being a supervillain if you think about it. Probably not a coincidence that most of them love comics.

But a dominatrix is probably the closest thing to a real-life supervillain that actually exists.

A dominatrix? You kidding? They're just women who get paid to whip dudes. Read up on the recent revelations about the UK Cabinet under Margaret Thatcher. They were at least Bond villain-tier.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

I mean in the ridiculous cartoon theatrical sense, as well as in terms of single-minded stupid obsessions. Like, somebody like that would fit in on the old Batman show, and DE people kind of do too insofar as they choose loving ridiculous names and want to do insane, impossible things. But they don't have lairs or costumes, even if some have codenames. The CEO of Cocoa-Cola would not, even if he's currently enacting a plot to monopolize access to potable water in a dozen countries and has hired death squads to crush unions in Guatamala.

Real loving evil masterminds from James Bond have of course ruled the world for at least 100 years and enacted evil schemes often predicted in adventure stories or old movies, but they don't flounce around in loving capes and talk in operatic, overblown language. I think Aurini would love to do that, though.

We need a more precise vocabulary to document the kind of lunacy the internet enables.

The Elm Guest House crowd had literal child rape dungeons in white-tie clubs. Occasionally, the rape dungeons had fancy-dress nights. They could get pretty theatrical in their evil. I mean, poo poo, a recently-deceased cabinet minister is accused, on alarmingly plausible grounds, of sitting on a loving throne in a full-length ballgown, out of his mind on cocaine, as a pair of underlings raped a little boy in front of him and beat him to death.

We Brits do our abhorrent poo poo old-school.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pope Guilty posted:

When and how did this come out?

Here's some sources.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Chocolate Teapot posted:

His real name is Alex K., (can't remember what the K stood for), but his username was usually icycalm and website was something like insomni.ac

Kierkegaard.

I'm pretty sure that isn't actually his real name.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sounds pretty easy.

I mean, I'm fairly sure most of this lot are virgins.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

neonnoodle posted:

My theory is that steampunk finally metastasized into full-time Victorian LARPing.

My MP is way ahead of them on that one. It's terrifying and hilarious how often the stuff these folks aspire to actually happens in British politics.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Theorizing that an evil robot god will torture a simulation of you in the future: a banworthy offense

Saying nazis had some good idea: not a banworthy offense

Well, yeah. The Nazis can only kill you once.

Now listen to my four-hour YouTube video on how resurrecting Joseph Mengele is the only way to ensure Friendly AI.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gum posted:

Historical events for June 1942

7th - Germany Armys march into Sebastopol

9th - Nazis kill all inhabitants of Lidice, which had been implicated in the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, the Nazi controller of Bohemia and Moravia, and Hitler’s order was given to “teach the Czechs a final lesson of subservience and humility”.

12th - Hitler orders enslavement of Slavic peoples

14th - Walt Disney's animated movie "Bambi", based on the book by Felix Salten, is released

20th - Adolf Eichmann proclaims deportation of Dutch Jews

20th - German troops conquer Tobruk, North Africa

26th - German assault on British at Mersa Matruh

All of these things could have potentially been stopped, and that's just June

It's actually a really interesting question because there isn't an easy solution because of the limitations of your role. How far can you go and how in reducing the horror of Nazi Germany and the Second World War before your hideous, backstabbing underlings go 'screw it, need a new Fuhrer, this one's broken'?

Mind you, if you could find a way to quickly and quietly assassinate Himmler to start with, that'd probably give you a good lead before everyone else starts giving you trouble.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Race Realists posted:

Who are Sad Puppies?

Sci-fi authors and fans trying to return to a happier, more peaceful time when there weren't so many goddamned blacks/gays/women writing and appearing in their genre.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

The leader of the Rabid Puppies is a TvTroper apparently :shepface: I hate that I know this.

Wait, really?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Nessus posted:

Yes, TV Tropes decided that a "Xanatos gambit" is when the clever antagonist sets it up so that when the hero does a thing, their goals are furthered in some way. It's apparently after the guy from Gargoyles.

Oh, right, I thought you meant you recognised him as a specific troper.

Maybe Rottweiler or Jhimmibhob?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
The other difference between Futurists and the Dark Enlightenment is that Futurists produced cool, inventive art when they weren't glorifying mass-murder, writing ghastly screeds about women, and signing up to die horribly in the First World War (there's a reason the movement was short-lived, and it can be seen by looking at the death-dates of many of its artists). I mean, check out some of Umberto Boccioni's work:

Elasticity


The Charge of the Lancers


Unique Forms of Continuity in Space


Materia


Laughter


Dynamism of a Soccer Player


Meanwhile, the DE have created... what? Hoon and the Sarkeesian Effect?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Heresiarch posted:

This is how most people form opinions, it's just that their original motivating emotion differs.

Interestingly, that's precisely what Lesswrongian rationality was (ostensibly) designed to combat.

Of course, we all know how that turned out.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Night10194 posted:

Because it's one of the main tools of spreading his cult. He wrote it specifically to try to attract its audience to his weird singularity cult.

As a result, it's also a fascinating window into his weird beliefs.

Hilariously/horrifyingly, this isn't even the first time Harry Potter fanfic has been successfully used as a cult recruitment tool.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Mineaiki posted:

You have a point, but I'll take being called a cuckold over being brutally murdered in my sleep any day.

Not familiar with how neo-Nazi street politics go, then?

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

MizPiz posted:

I can't decide if I do or don't want what happened to Burning Man to happen to the Gathering of the Juggalos.

What happened to Burning Man?

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