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Oct 2, 2014

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Anyway here is Justine Tunney helping some MRAs film an anti-Anita Sarkeesian video.


Only one of these people knows how to look vaguely presentable.

Aurini! The man who makes possibly the most cringeworthy Red Pill/"manosphere" videos on the internet (which is a real feat). He used to make equally awkward videos explaining "LW 101" kind of stuff.

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Oct 2, 2014

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:


Who is Justine Tunney? Never heard of her.

Justine Tunney is a trans woman who was involved early on in Occupy Wall Street. Various personality conflicts led her to leave the movement and join the Dark Enlightenment - she had a series of tweets to the effect of "just wait, all you people who were mean to nerds in high school, WE'LL SHOW YOU." She is probably one of the most publicly visible NRx people, and works at Google. A BIG dust-up happened in NRx-land because it is full of neo-Nazis and other horrible social conservatives who tend to not welcome trans people with open arms. They continuously described her as a "he" and used all manner of incredibly ugly language to describe her. She also had a huge fight with GBS, as I understand it. Eventually her boss at Google told her to shut up because she was drawing so much internet backdrafting from extreme rightists and leftists of varying stripes.

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Oct 2, 2014

Welcome to Phalanx, "a reactionary fraternity for the cultivation of masculine virtue and the development of social and moral capital." They plan to do such stirring masculine activities as "wing each other and support Patriarchy in our relationships" but also "study practical skills like coding, fixing stuff" and "history and old books."

What's the over/under on how long it takes one of these guys to contract a horrible disease from "testosterone" he had shipped from an internet pharmacy?

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Oct 2, 2014

Song For The Deaf posted:

That opening disclaimer is hilarious. "I need to work on the audio." No, you loving dolt, it sounds like you're interviewing from a shotgun mic mounted on the camera. No matter what you do, it's always going to sound echo-y. You hosed up. Maybe go back and re-shoot with a boom or some lavs. God knows you have plenty of Patreon money.

Natural aristocrats such as them are too refined to care about decent sound production.

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Oct 2, 2014

UnoriginalMind posted:

I feel like she's buying into a culture in the Bay Area that thinks :siren: Technologists Will Save The World :siren:. Who doesn't want to be the hero of the story? Who doesn't want to be Superman?

She's also big into the flipside of this, We Will Stomp on You as You Stomped On Us. A bunch of these NRx people are in to it because when the King returns from under the mountain and restores Patriarchy, he'll force Jenny the hot cheerleader from 11th grade to get married them.

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Oct 2, 2014

More high quality thinking from a leading light of the Dark Enlightenment.

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Oct 2, 2014

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I know this is a bit of a forum cliché at this point, but is this guy basically butthurt because good white Christians like him are being cucked by Muslims and immigrants? :allears:

Don't forget the danger of black people using Drexler-style nanotechnology to destroy the glorious white bourgeoisie. His existential terror of both these things has led him, as far as I can tell an ethnically Slavic person, to ally with straight up Nazis. He likes to tweet a lot about he's really a European Russian, honestly, he swears.

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Oct 2, 2014

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Is this just a goony conflation of the "Dark" "Enlightenment" at large and LessWrong, or is that seriously one of these people's talking points?

Behold.

Choice quotes:

Michael Anissimov posted:

The standards of Transhumanism have fallen in the last decade as well. In the late 90s and the early 00s, when the primary transhumanist venues were the Extropians and SL4 mailing lists, the technical understanding of the average transhumanist was excellent. Today, it is quite poor. There’s an emergent brilliance produced when you put Spike Jones, Robin Hanson, Anders Sandberg, Chris Phoenix, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Robert Bradbury on the same mailing list, which simply has no modern-day analogue. This environment was the forge that crafted the most capable Transhumanist leaders of today. Second-generation students of transhumanism are simply not the same.

Michael Anissimov posted:

The key concept is that molecular manufacturing and transhumanism are guaranteed to highly empower someone. Some set of people will be highly empowered; preventing this isn’t an option. Fewer people, with a deeper sense of responsibility, coupled with moral and spiritual values, is a superior option to the alternative.

Speaking for myself personally, my key motivation is not having to witness or experience global nanowar.

Michael Anissimov posted:

Even more effective is the system similar to monarchical Europe, where the elites were related by blood and more related to one another than to their subjects. This builds a sense of mutual respect, understanding, and camaraderie that today’s politicians can only blink in confusion about. Elites managing a government for the long term are incentivized to care about far futures, not just the next election cycle. Unencumbered by the frivolous winds of public opinion, they are free to consult advisors for the most intelligent decision, not necessarily the most popular one.

Another stability-inducing effect produced by putting responsibility in the hands of an elite is that wars are less likely to be fought for highly abstract, nationalistic reasons such as “promoting democracy in the world.” Rather, leaders have an incentive to fight wars over tangible assets, which tend to be limited, or not fight them at all.

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Oct 2, 2014

Darth Walrus posted:

He literally believes that the state of modern science could and should be improved by a few generations of inbreeding. Holy poo poo. I mean, has he seen what the family trees of European royalty used to look like?

These people have this idea that genetics in the real world works like it does in ASOIAF, where it's very important to preserve Targaryen physical and mental characteristics through constant inbreeding. Except even GRRM realized that this tends to make people in the family super hosed up.

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Oct 2, 2014

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

But those blood ties were immensely beneficial - a lot of wars probably didn't happen because the heads of great powers were cousins and - oh.

I see no way that Red Pill ideology and ridiculous legalism could ever conflict with each other leading to a terrible outcome.

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Oct 2, 2014

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

So why do they put themselves on top of the genetics leaderboard when asians tend to outperform in lots of areas and had one of the longest-running fairly stable monarchies ever known? I mean I know the real reason, that then they wouldn't get to be the magic future space robot rape kings, but what's their bullshit reason?

Oh don't worry, some of them pretend that they really think that

Some DE dude posted:

Multi-ethnic states are not ideal conditions. If one literally treated every racial group equally before the law [Which is what most self identified conservatives want, and what SJW's refer to as colour blind racism] You would have a socioeconomic hierarchy which for the most part resembles what it does now; European Jews on the top, followed by east Asians, then whites, then Hispanics, then blacks. That is not a prescribed order, that is simply what *WOULD* occur.

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Oct 2, 2014

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Is this an argument that white people need affirmative action? Is that what I'm looking at here?

No, the argument is that in fact it's East Asians (except only some of them like Han people or Japanese, not Koreans or anyone from what used to be called Indochina) who are better than whites, and then European Jews are best of all. It's an attempt to backdoor white supremacy by making it seem more palatable because, really, it's not white supremacy. Theoretically we'll totally accept that Asians are smarter than most whites! Then we can just revert to an argument about standard deviations (like we did with women in STEM fields) to show that it's totally acceptable to have white people running everything (more white geniuses after all...) with a token Asian or two so the bamboo ceiling is less obvious.

To make things clear I find everything in the preceding paragraph completely abhorrent and false but they've figured out how to make their poo poo stink less by trying to include Asians in it. It's hand in hand with the attempts PUA/Red Pill dudes are making to get Asian men who feel sexually frustrated due to awful racist stereotypes to hate "Westernized" women.

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Oct 2, 2014

Silver2195 posted:

I think Phobophilia was being partly facetious there. On the other hand, this guy (who probably doesn't identify with the Dark Enlightenment but can be reasonably placed in the same general cluster) does seem to make some arguments about Asian educational achievement that seem to imply that Asians have some special tendency to seem to acquire knowledge without actually understanding it: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/

This is the guy who teaches in Oakland but thinks Black and Hispanic people are just way stupider than Whites, right?

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Oct 2, 2014

WickedHate posted:

Racists also tend to think of Asians as "good, but not perfect like us whites". They really do think of it like Dungeons and Dragons or some poo poo, where the Asians have "high intelligence" but are weak everywhere else, ditto with Africans but with strength/stamina instead, and then whites are the jack of all trades that do everything great.

It's important to note that this only applies to the "right kind" of Asian - some kinds of Chinese, Japanese, and sometimes "high caste" (ugh) Indians. Some of the brighter ones among them like to draw analogies between the Han/high-caste Indians and the Germans in Russia or Austrians in southeastern Europe. Since they want racially homogeneous societies, or societies with what amounts to a slave class, it's fine if the Chinese want to dominate the "obviously inferior" Malaysians. But if those same Chinese want to live in America then of course they can do R&D for us but not actually run anything important!

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Oct 2, 2014

Darth Walrus posted:

I imagine that it's slightly difficult to make anti-Semitism a mainstream part of your philosophy when one of its most respected figures outside the movement is called Eliezer Yudkowsky. Not impossible, sure (bizarre mental gymnastics are kind of this lot's stock in trade), but difficult.

The Slate Star Codex guy is also ethnically Jewish, and they are all slavering over him and hoping he switches over to their side so he can become their co-leader with Nick Land/

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Oct 2, 2014

HEY GAL posted:

No, what changed his mind to be more sympathetic to racism?

I think there was always some vague sympathy there. Scott's a classic case of White Dude Who Totally Supports Social Justice ... Until He Has To Give Something Up. At one point he was like "people said me and my friends, who are mostly white guys, have unconscious racism and sexism, but I know these guys and they're totally not racist or sexist." But SJ people kept pointing out that they almost certainly are in some ways, more and more aggressively, and he kept getting more and more hurt by it. This lead to several anti-SJ posts. Since he's never read any academic feminism or really any non-Tumblr feminism (a similar problem occurs with his understanding of socialism) he has a really weird idea of what most feminists actually believe or are like.

^^^^
Jim, as loudest and dumbest, and not Spandrell?

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Oct 2, 2014

There's a new Slate Star Codex up, about how On the Road is a book about awful people doing awful things and SSC dude did not like it. Good! But the best moment of all is this comment:

Davis M. J. Aurini posted:

The worst thing about this book is the echoes of my own past that I see within it; a decade spent being pulled between the glory of Lord of the Rings, and the cynical nihilism of modernity’s ‘self-actualization’. The first seemed unattainable (it isn’t) the latter seemed fun and cool (it isn’t).

I wonder how many lives were damaged by Kerouac publishing this filthy treatise? Or is it just a sign of the times?

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Oct 2, 2014

MinistryofLard posted:

How is Lord of the Rings attainable?

First, find the long lost scion of a line of people descended from a literal demigod, then...

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Oct 2, 2014

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

This has probably been said before but it amazes me how these types, much like randroids, always think they'll be the glorious captains of industry lording it over the untermenschen instead of burning in the city when Galt goes Galt.

If they read Lord of the Rings, they'd fashion themselves as Gandalf instead of some nameless mook who gets offed in a skirmish.

The funniest part of this is Gandalf has a bunch of speeches about how people like this are horrible. When the Numenoreans start acting like these jokers Sauron shows up and cons them into destroying themselves. Tolkien has a letter where he rags on the "pernicious and unscientific race doctrine" and also talks about how people who want to run government are the last people who should be allowed to. The Gondorians fight an idiotic war about race-mixing (the purists lose). They picked a bad piece of fiction to be their hobbyhorse.

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Oct 2, 2014

The Vosgian Beast posted:

They should ask Marxists how waiting for something to collapse based on historical necessity has worked out.

Why would brilliant Dark Enlightenment STEMlords/high school dropouts need to consult Cathedral-enslaved idiotic humanities academics about history? :smuggo:

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Oct 2, 2014

Jack Gladney posted:

And what woman or other normal human has ever spent five seconds thinking about cryonics beyond realizing that it's stupid nonsense and a scam for morons? I sense a lot of simulation behind the author's thoughts on women.

It's a relatively well known thing in the cryonics community (Hostile Wife Syndrome). Woman is married to seemingly normal dude, discovers he wants to set tens of thousands of dollars on fire, is understandably upset.

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Oct 2, 2014

Political Whores posted:

So the selfishness thing is really just the wife calling them out on spending the family's life savings on a stupid delusion quest to cheat death.

Usually, cryonics "treatment" is paid for out of life insurance, so the spouse (and sometimes children) feel like he's stealing tens of thousands from his surviving family that they could use to get back on their feet after his death or at least do something productive with. I suspect people who stipulate in their wills that some large fraction of their life insurance payout goes to charity don't meet nearly the same hostility.

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Oct 2, 2014

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Wait really? I always thought it was one of those "you gotta pay before you die" things since you need a team of freezer guys standing by ahead of time whenever you're planning on dying. You can really pay for it out of life insurance and gently caress over your family?

Most people don't have the $80,000+ on hand. It makes the whole thing especially ludicrous because by the time your death is certified you will have already started to decay. Some of the extremely rich people who want to do it have a team of guys standing by their deathbed, yeah, but if your family isn't on board that's harder to do.

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Oct 2, 2014

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Think of all the people you could save with these idiots` organs. :smith:

The cheapest option is head-only preservation, which is the one most of them pick, so you lose the corneas but the other organs are available.

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Oct 2, 2014

Merdifex posted:

Wait, what is this whole Obergefell v. Hodges thing about? I wouldn't want to muddle through Wesley's diarrhoeic writing to find out.

The ruling that made same sex marriage legal in all 50 states.

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Oct 2, 2014

Nolanar posted:

I'm going to take a wild guess that their dreaded "dysgenics" just means "lack of eugenics." Am I on the right track?

Stupid people are outbreeding highly educated, conscientious high IQ people! Despite the fact that rich white people have been whining about this for 100 years and yet average IQ scores keep going up, society is about to collapse into an Idiocracy-style hellhole.

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