PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker

The Something Awful Forums > Main > Post Your Favorite: Carefully Curated > PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker

«‹›2 »

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

Outside view from population geneticist: Slate Star Codex and its subreddit are mostly about being huge loving racists. Gosh, etc.

Mod asks posters to be civil. Immediate response from one commenter: "It seems ill advised to let an OP attack the community and muzzle the incredibly predictable response." BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE HATED OUTGROUP DON'T WE. (Credit to the mod in question for proceeding to hand out bans like much-in-demand candy.) Most of the comments follow in similar tone. Hits a remarkable selection of notes on the kazoo of Dark Enlightenment audodidacticism. Particular credit for filibusting to user alpsgolden, whose Reddit comment history seems to substantially consist of spreading the Good Word of The Bell Curve to unrelated subs.

Gotta love that their concern isn't that the racism is bad, but that it makes evangelizing the other stuff harder.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2017 00:11

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ¿ May 9, 2024 10:26

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

*LW deletes posts about Roko's basilisk, leaving long threads of "Comment deleted"*

"Nobody here was concerned about Roko's basilisk, no sirree, it's all a beat up"

Yeah, some of the comments on that one are really something

quote:

I post using this shared anonymous account here because in the past when I used my real name I received death threats online from LW users. In a meetup I had someone tell me to my face that if my AGI project crossed a certain level of capability, they would personally hunt me down and kill me. They were quite serious.

I was once open-minded enough to consider AI x-risk seriously. I was unconvinced, but ready to be convinced. But you know what? Any ideology that leads to making death threats against peaceful, non-violent open source programmers is not something I want to let past my mental hygiene filters.

If you, the person reading this, seriously care about AI x-risk, then please do think deeply about what causes this, and ask youself what can be done to put a stop to this behavior. Even if you haven't done so yourself, it is something about the rationalist community which causes this behavior to be expressed.

--

I would be remiss without layout out my own hypothesis. I believe much of this comes directly from ruthless utilitarianism and the "shut up and multiply" mentality. It's very easy to justify murder of one individual, or the threat of it even if you are not sure you'd carry it through, if it is offset by some imagined saving of the world. The problem here is that nobody is omniscient, and yet AI x-riskers are willing to be swayed by utility calculations that in reality have so much uncertainty that they should never be taken seriously. Vaniver's reference to the unilaterialist's curse is spot-on.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2017 20:50

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

I am shocked, shocked at their shocked shock.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2017 02:37

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Somfin posted:

Anime is really big on blind team loyalty, the lone hero outcast narrative, stoic young male audience surrogate characters with hidden and unearned inner gifts, and white people.

It also has a bad history with sexism and rampantly misogynistic character designs and motivations.

And it's also big on explaining literally everything and leaving no mysteries behind once it's done.

I mean, you can find all that stuff in cable prestige dramas just as easily. There's really nothing more to the anime connection than it being generally popular among white internet failsons.

# ¿ May 1, 2017 05:30

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Somfin posted:

He also liked the Star Wars prequels, so, y'know, he's morally flawed human on many fronts. Still enjoy his stuff.

It's kind of funny, you usually have to ignore the bad politics of people with good media opinions instead of the other way around.

# ¿ May 19, 2017 00:05

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Peanut Butler posted:

holy poo poo that title

"Chapter One: You Are Going To Read 27 Pages About The Protagonist's Mom Waking Him Up For Breakfast On This The Day He Is Coming Of Age"

It's hilarious and fitting that the official writing style for fiction by Online Rationals has converged on "anime book about loving your sister in an MMO".

# ¿ May 30, 2017 17:15

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Sounds exactly like something a magic player would think up

TBF there was, at one point, a Magic pro who made a fair amount of money off of pharmaceuticals.

Ecstasy, namely, he went to prison for several years.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 04:01

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Peel posted:

Recently I've heard from some tankies that conceptual/modern/whatever art was a CIA plot to undermine the working class and left-wing academia. Maybe they cooperated?

That's one of those things that isn't totally false but is a couple degrees of separation from verifiable truth - the CIA is known to have funded groups that promoted certain kinds of art for propaganda reasons, but claims that the CIA directly created that art or that the people who created it were CIA assets are on much shakier ground.

EDIT:

Slime posted:

photoshop dragons into your photos for maximum realism and this maximum good

I think I've cracked it!

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 23:09

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Neon Noodle posted:

Also, according to Lyndon Larouche, the Beatles were a psyop by the Queen for global mind control.

This reminds me of one of my favorite conspiracy theories that this thread introduced me to:

divabot posted:

It's only tangentially DE (though I put in the /pol/ cultural Marxism conspiracy theory chart), but I wrote a piece on how Theodor Adorno of the Frankfurt School wrote all the Beatles' songs.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 23:35

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

And Shakespeare was a bunch of dick and fart jokes. Is Always Sunny in Philadelphia going to be what survives our generation

Here's hoping!

# ¿ Jun 19, 2017 16:20

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Skittle Prickle posted:

He thinks hes making an impressive revelation by saying that racist effects can result from things other than outright hatred, and seems to take this fact as an argument for ignoring racism altogether. The fact that he doesn't even address the idea of systemic racism in the post makes me suspect that he might not even know about the idea. The old rationalist trap of trying to derive things from first principles without considering that there might be a whole academic field out there dedicated to examining what you're talking about.

It turns out that the "rationalist" label was accurate all along, but in the "as opposed to empiricist" sense of the word.

# ¿ Jun 22, 2017 19:07

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Race Realists posted:

goddrat benghazi is having the most glorious meltdown

it's actually a brilliant satire of meltdowns you gently caress

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 05:00

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

Ever had one of those "don't cross the streams" moments? Here's Nick Land babbling incoherently about blockchains. You can hear him talk too! In speech, this Markov-blockchain gibberish sounds almost coherent. (Once they get the sound problems sorted out.)

The one thing I appreciated about Moldbug, Land, etc. was that diving into their interminable nonsense didn't require listening to some guy ramble into a webcam for hours on end. Now even that is taken from me.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 16:18

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Avenging_Mikon posted:

So apparently if your initials are SA, you're incapable of being normal?

*Looks up at url bar* poo poo

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 15:24

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

ate all the Oreos posted:

Maybe not wanna put the F-35 as the option B there guys

We could probably transition literally every transperson in the world for less than it costs and still have something more functional and useful at the end of the day

My favorite response was the one pointing out that a surgically created vagina, unlike the F-35, works when wet.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2017 23:30

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

I think you may be mistaken, because Sam Kriss's writing is bad. My friends keep recommending it, but I keep seeing bad writing.

I haven't looked through his time as an active goon, but I don't expect to see better.

I posted with the guy, a decade and several accounts ago, and it was exactly as bad as you might imagine.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2017 05:04

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

MizPiz posted:

His programming is incomplete and has far too many bugs to be viable for market consumption.

Sounds like AI to me!

# ¿ Jul 26, 2017 17:01

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

hackbunny posted:

lol I actually intentionally added back "autistic" at the last moment after deciding against it because I was like "naaah they won't be so irony-deaf to launch a passive aggressive anti-ableist witch hunt" but here we are

e: "math idiot" was considered too but it doesn't noun well

You're trying to pull the irony defense in this of all threads?

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 01:45

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

The Vosgian Beast posted:

On a related note, Less Wrong strategy of hiding behind autistic people when they want to criticize SJ(it is impossible to be both autistic and part of some other marginalized group and let NO ONE tell you differently) has gone mainstream with a terrible article by a lovely person

EDIT: For once, reading the comments was a good idea http://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-speech/#comment-8656

Man, it takes some stones for a literal eugenics advocate to couch his views in concern for the disabled.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 18:04

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Fututor Magnus posted:

i also want to bring back attention to this thing for comment because i have no loving idea what to think about it.

It's actually pretty simple:

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 19:14

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Fututor Magnus posted:

and imagine who's back on tumblr.

All the cool kids have moved on from ironic Hoxhaism to ironic Posadism anyways.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2017 03:51

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Fututor Magnus posted:

i wonder if scott will do the thing of rationalist legend and update his views on trump.

"Updating towards," the rationalist version of "thoughts and prayers."

# ¿ Aug 16, 2017 12:12

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Neon Noodle posted:

Mods change my name to jew stealth

I'll never forgive Blizzard for the Jew Stealth nerf.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2017 21:17

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Goon Danton posted:

The actual guy and his complaints never mattered. He was a proxy for them, and Zoe was a proxy for their issues.

Thinking about it, I don't even know who the guy was. Is he still around, riding the alt-right train?

Last I saw he was kicking around the Tumblr-based section of the Less Wrong diaspora, bringing things full circle. His username basically everywhere is/was "antinegationism" if you want to dig.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2017 20:04

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Oh yeah, I found out recently that a friend of a friend had the misfortune of ending up at a party with Yudkowsky, which I guess is just an inevitable outcome when you're friends with Berkeley tech workers. It wasn't too many sentences further into the conversation before the word "deprogramming" came up.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2017 15:43

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

420 Gank Mid posted:

Ever since Soros took over he's been really good about upping security protocols.

I think I read a book about his protocols once!

# ¿ Oct 27, 2017 05:58

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Terrible Opinions posted:

moot was never banned* from SA for child porn and he made 4chan before he stopped posting on SA. In fact his account is still here and unbanned, though it hasn't made a new post since 2004. 4chan was created because the original userbase was huge weeaboos and 2chan was popular among Japanese nerdlords so they wanted an English language version.

Maybe you're conflating it with 8chan which was made because the founders had gotten banned from 4chan too many times for posting cp?

*his only bans that I've been able to find were for posting spoilers for an anime. Again hopeless weeaboo.

moot himself wasn't banned but a lot of his friends from ADTRW/Raspberry Heaven (the ADTRW filesharing network) did get banned, and formed the initial userbase (and in some cases, the moderation staff) of 4chan.

# ¿ Oct 28, 2017 19:35

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

Do we live in an adequate world?
A new exploration of systemic failure and uncommon success.

When should you think that you may be able to do something unusually well?

Whether you�re trying to outperform in science, or in business, or just in finding good deals on eBay, it�s important that you have a sober understanding of your relative competencies.

The story only ends there, however, if you�re fortunate enough to live in an adequate civilization.

Eliezer Yudkowsky�s Inadequate Equilibria is a sharp and lively guidebook for anyone questioning when and how they can know better, and do better, than the status quo. Freely mixing debates on the foundations of rational decision-making with tips for everyday life, Yudkowsky explores the central question of when we can (and can�t) expect to spot systemic inefficiencies, and exploit them.

Read online now

I just remembered Metamed and started laughing, so thanks for that.

Curvature of Earth posted:

Bringing back these classic ClarkHat moments

One thing that's funny to me is that they can't use San Francisco or Berkeley as metonyms for urban liberals anymore because so many of their tech heroes are set up there.

Sit on my Jace has a new favorite as of 22:02 on Nov 23, 2017

# ¿ Nov 23, 2017 22:00

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

ikanreed posted:

I want to be clear, this is a website specifically saying they're aiding and abetting (what they claim themselves is) a known criminal

$0
per month

0
patrons

Looks like there isn't much aid or abetting occurring here.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2017 03:02

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

There's an incredibly grim comedy in Roko not even having a real name worth mentioning, just "Roko (Yes, the Basilisk guy.)"

# ¿ Jun 21, 2018 00:23

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Somfin posted:

And intelligence like it's a stat you dump points into. Which they obviously did, unlike those idiots who put them into strength or charisma. The fact that they believe all this poo poo just shows how smart it must be!

And the AI god will obviously put all its points into intelligence and it'll use those points to make itself smarter until it has infinity billion intelligence points like Pun-Pun at which point it will solve all of our problems and make us all immortal, please give money to our large sad kung-fu leader.

It works in Morrowind, so it must work in real life! (I seriously think this is where a non-negligible portion of them got it from.)

# ¿ Jun 24, 2018 01:28

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Darth Walrus posted:

Remember that a lot of these folks come from very religious families. I think Yudkowsky said his parents wanted him to be a rabbi. That probably explains a great deal about how they turned out.

I went to Jewish day school up until third grade and one of my best friends there was the son of a rabbi, and I can definitely understand how growing up in that environment could lead to someone like Yud. There's even a story in the Talmud about how you can defeat God if your arguments are good enough, which somewhat fittingly concerns the excommunication of Rabbi Eliezer.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2018 01:59

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Wasn't a descent into endless nature-of-consciousness navelgazing what sunk the old LW mock thread?

# ¿ Jun 27, 2018 16:18

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

pookel posted:

This is the most Jewish thing I've heard in quite a while.

Three thousand years of ~~beautiful tradition~~ loving nerds.

# ¿ Jun 28, 2018 05:43

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

Just came up in the alt-right thread: Counter-Currents: Miss Kobayashi�s Dragon Maid vs. Ethnonationalism. Not too long for a "what the gently caress did I just read." And it's kinda comforting to see these guys hate themselves as much as they hate everyone else.

Gotta admit to a chuckle at, "Like Syrian refugees with huge tits and Kawaii outfits,"

# ¿ Jul 15, 2018 06:08

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

Munin posted:

Can we have more stupid people pontificating with plastic skulls in the background and less anime derail?

Barring that could someone dig up the name of the manga/anime done by the nutso nationalist. Apparently it isn't Terra Formars either.

There's a lot to choose from. For example, "Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There!" is about the JSDF invading and colonizing a fantasy world with the help of magical anime girls.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2018 05:35

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ¿ May 9, 2024 10:26

Sit on my Jace: Sep 9, 2016

divabot posted:

Apparently the FBI questioned Kantbot in March

The video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYoou3genk

# ¿ Sep 18, 2018 07:37

The Something Awful Forums > Main > Post Your Favorite: Carefully Curated > PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker

«‹›2 »