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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
So as a Siberian how do you feel about the Russian government shutting down the social media pages of the march for the federalization of Siberia and banning its mention in newspapers?

http://zik.ua/en/news/2014/08/03/russian_authorities_order_news_blackout_on_federalization_of_siberia_march_511481

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine

HoratioRash posted:

Because it's literally like five dudes? 90% of the signatures on the petition have an ukrainian flag on them. You serious?

https://vk.com/sibmarsh

That says 1543 members with 1890 people planning to attend so maybe you should literally like shut the gently caress up?

utjkju posted:

Russia is a federal semi-presidential republic. Siberia has The Republic of Buryatia, Altai Republic, The Tyva Republic, The Republic of Khakassia. And how make the federalization of Siberia?

http://tjournal.ru/paper/free-siberia

I think it's hilarious that you are Siberian and you don't even know about your own government censoring your own backyard.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine

utjkju posted:

You know all about Siberia.)))

Why should people believe anything you say about Ukraine when you don't even know what is going on in Siberia, the place where you actually live!?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine

utjkju posted:

http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6522621.html?view=163459069#t163459069

Thus we find misinformation. Read the comments to the post.
And this komenntary shows our attitude to information.
barabas_open: "anonymous experts and official point of view are incompatible"
http://varjag-2007.livejournal.com/6522621.html?thread=163463421#t163463421

So you caught the Russian media in a lie, good job. Do you still believe everything Russian media says about Ukraine and Ukrainians?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
What is stopping people from making an account on a forum and posting lies?

I can sign up for the Donetsk forums right now and post about my baby being eaten for dinner by Ukrainian fascists and nobody will know its a lie.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
There are thousands of armed separatists in Donetsk. What is stopping a group of them from posting lies on the city forum and supporting each others lies? What is stopping them from blowing up a building with an explosive and saying it was the Ukrainian army that did it?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
If it's a war for federalization, why is the Kremlin supporting it while censoring the Siberian march for federalization? They don't want to separate from Russia.

Donetsk federalization=good, Siberian federalization=bad?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Sure, but a lot of the money Siberia makes is sent to feed Moscow. These activists want more of that money to stay in Siberia, and this is the reason for their march.

And the Russian government is censoring any mention of the march in social media and newspapers.

So why does the Russian government want more rights for Donetsk but less rights for Siberia?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
But if this is what the Siberian people want, why fight it?

Donetsk people want to change how they live, and Russia supports them. Siberian people want to change how they live, and Russia censors them.

Why?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
But Kremlin doesn't even want the Russian people to know about it.

https://vk.com/sibmarsh

^^ Your government doesn't want you to know what is on that page.

Do you think it's possible Kremlin doesn't want you to know other things too? Things happening in Ukraine maybe?

EDIT - since you can't read it I'll copy and paste what their objectives are.

quote:

Новосибирцы организуют марш за федерализацию Сибири. Он запланирован на 17 августа. Участники потребуют автономии в составе России, льгот жителям Зауралья за «суровые климатические условия» и справедливого распределения налогов на добычу полезных ископаемых.
Главным лозунгом акции станет «Хватит кормить Москву!», а основной целью — создание в составе РФ Сибирской республики, но об отделении речи не идет. «Главное требование — чтобы федерализация была, как записано у нас в Конституции, — пояснил Тайге.инфо 30 июля представитель оргкомитета, бывший активист „Другой России“ и один из организаторов „Русского марша“ Алексей Баранов. — Мы, наоборот, везде отвергаем, что мы, якобы, сепаратисты, как нас уже представляют, например, в украинских СМИ на фоне их войны. Наоборот, мы против развала страны и требуем соблюдения законных прав и статуса республики по аналогии с действующими автономиями».

Среди требований марша — введение льгот и надбавок для граждан, проживающих на территориях с «суровым» климатом, появления региональной составляющей в налог на добычу полезных ископаемых, что сделает распределение доходов между федеральным и местными бюджетами «справедливее», и создания «более независимых от центра» органов власти.

And your government doesn't even want you to know that this is happening. How does this make you feel?

Present fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 6, 2014

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
So all those people are just confused, and the government is censoring the information about their march so they don't get beaten up by other Siberians?

Present
Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Because the morons all had AK-47s, tanks and BTRs?

They bought them at the same military surplus store as the many thousands of Crimean patriots did earlier.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Only the ones that wanted to eat more Russian babies. There's nothing like a nicely cooked Russian baby. Last time I had one was when I was in Kiev for Euro 2012 and let me tell you, that Russian baby was delicious.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
The funniest thing about those counter sanctions is that Putin is going to continue eating any kind of food he wants to.

You won't.

Present
Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Great. More money to buy krokodil with.

Present
Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Also, don't worry about gas. Once Ukraine starts extracting shale gas, gas availability won't be a problem for Europe anymore.

Or when Poland starts fracking. They look like they have the biggest deposit in Europe. So it's good that Russia is selling it to China now, because Europe sure as poo poo won't buy it from Russia once it's available from Ukraine/Poland.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Just like when you hear a plane and explosions in the night and then you hear rumors of 4 houses burning down doesn't mean that the Ukrianian army plane is blowing them up at night.

It means you heard a plane and you heard explosions and someone told you some houses burned down.

Edit - Maybe it was these guys? They like shooting mortars into civilians. True patriots.

http://inforesist.org/videofakt-terroristy-obstrelivayut-zhiloj-rajon-shaxterska-iz-minometov/

Present fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Aug 7, 2014

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Yeah. She HEARD a plane in the night, she HEARD some rumors later.

Her conclusion - Ukrainian army plane is blowing up houses. Without seeing any of it.

EDIT - I read her blog post again and she didn't didn't even hear any explosions. She says she heard a plane fly by at around midnight and then later on there were rumors of some houses burning down somewhere. Must be the Ukrainian fascists bombing houses again lol.

Present fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Aug 7, 2014

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Lol are you mad because I posted a video where your favorite separatists are shooting mortars randomly into Shahtersk, a city full of innocent people?

By the way, she never says she heard any bombardment. Read her post again.

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
I didn't know you were an expert on what bombardment sounds like. How did you get this valuable skill? From being in the army? Arnold Schwarzenegger movies?

Also please tell me how the separatists are saving the people of donbass from Ukrainian fascists by shooting mortars randomly into the city of Shahtersk. Every civilian they kill is one less civilian for the Ukrainian fascists to execute?

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Oct 28, 2011

by Shine
Yeah man can't you see that these separatists arent letting the civilians leave because its the Ukrainian government responsibility to help them leave and they will respect the laws of the country they are trying to overthrow goddammit! Get a brain western homofascist scum.

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