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I am affraid infringe rules of forum. And i made new topic about Ukraina. Sorry, I made the mistake in topic. I don't know how i can correct it. utjkju fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3610151&pagenumber=11#lastpost "Credibility is important. Do you have any sources other than blogs, Russia Today, or 'a guy I know in Germany'? I want to agree with you. I know you want us to agree with you. But first you have to actually try and understand our viewpoint on the matter. This is not a personal attack. We want actual facts, not fringe accounts and testimony." I show vidio of people from Germany that i have not blogs in Germany. But you can see real people who show other opinions. I wrote real facts about of policy of Ukraine. Is Site of governmant of Ukraina bad source? Facts which i wrote are not secret utjkju fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Aug 3, 2014 05:35
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Only facts: http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/en/pu...e=1402389839487 Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine - SYCH Olexandr Maxymovych. Member of Political Committee of the All-Ukrainian Movement Svoboda (Freedom), Deputy Chairman of the Party for ideology. Now: On 1 July 2014 six MPs left the Communist Party faction in parliament, reducing it to 23 members.[17][18] A vote, supported by 232 MPs, on 22 July 2014 gave the Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada (the speaker of Ukraine's parliament) the power to dissolve a faction that has lost some of its members compared to the number it had while it was formed during the first parliamentary session after the precious election, pending a signature from President Petro Poroshenko.[3][16][19] Later that day Poroshenko signed this bill giving effect to this new parliamentary regulation.[16] The next day speaker (and former Acting President) Turchynov announced the party's impending dissolution and added to MPs "We only have to tolerate this party for another day".[16] The party's faction in parliament was indeed dissolved 24 July 2014 by Turchynov.[3] The same day it was announced that at the time 308 criminal proceedings against members of the party had been opened.[20] Communists were accused of openly supporting the annexation of Crimea by Russia, supporting the creation of self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic and agitating for annexation of the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast to Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Ukraine History: Soon after the appointment of Hitler as Chancellor, the Reichstag was set on fire and Dutch council communist Marinus van der Lubbe was found near the building. The Nazis publicly blamed the fire on communist agitators in general, although in a German court in 1933, it was decided that van der Lubbe had acted alone, as he claimed to have done. After the fire, the Reichstag Fire Decree was passed, under the pretext of snuffing out "Communist state-endangering acts of violence." Its actual effect, however, was to suspend most civil liberties. The KPD was banned shortly afterward. The Enabling Act, which legally gave Hitler dictatorial control of Germany, was passed by a Reichstag session held after all communist deputies had been arrested and jailed. The KPD was efficiently suppressed by the Nazis. Thousands of Communists were imprisoned in concentration camps, including Thälmann and the party's leader in the Reichstag, Ernst Torgler. The most senior KPD leaders to escape were Wilhelm Pieck and Walter Ulbricht, who went into exile in the Soviet Union. The KPD maintained an underground organisation in Germany throughout the Nazi period, but the loss of many core members severely weakened the Party's infrastructure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany
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Aug 3, 2014 05:51
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Svoboda (political party) in Ukraina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_%28political_party%29
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Aug 3, 2014 05:52
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Bip Roberts posted:Ukraine is game to you? Not, it is not game.
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Aug 3, 2014 05:53
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IATA chief executive Tony Tyler attended the meeting on Tuesday on behalf of his group’s airline members, which include Qantas and Virgin Australia Holdings. Mr Tyler said there was no escaping that what happened to MH17, which was shot down by a surface-to-air missile over eastern Ukraine, should not have happened. “It exposed a gap in the system,” he said. “The system is not broken. It works extremely well in the vast majority of cases. And the proof of that is clearly evident in that air transport is the safest mode of global mass transit known to humankind. So the challenge is to close the specific gap or gaps that allowed this tragedy to happen.” In the case of MH17, Ukraine had advised its airspace was safe for travel above 32,000 feet, but the aircraft was shot down when flying at 33,000 feet. Mr Tyler said it was essential that airlines received clear guidance regarding threats to their passengers, crew and aircraft. “This is the responsibility of states,” he said. “There are no excuses. Even sensitive information can be sanitised in a way that ensures airlines get essential and actionable information without compromising methods or sources.” Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...l#ixzz39AM4dXUH
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Aug 3, 2014 06:23
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MH17. English. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiu2s-8MRJA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqVdybvAFY
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Aug 3, 2014 06:23
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Interesting situation. About Igor Ivanovich Strelkov (Girkin) English Wiki:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin): Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin (Russian: Игорь Всеволодович Гиркин), also known as Igor Ivanovich Strelkov (Russian: Игорь Иванович Стрелков), born on 17 December 1970,[1] is a Russian citizen from Moscow[2] who a key figure behind the War in Donbass as the military commander of the Donetsk People's Republic rebellion.[3][4] Strelkov, a Russian nationalist and veteran of several other conflicts, was charged by Ukraine authorities with terrorism[5] and is currently sanctioned by the European Union for his leading role in the insurgency in eastern Ukraine.[6] By his admission, he served in the Russian FSB until March 2013,[7] and according to Ukrainian and EU authorities, he is a retired Russian military intelligence GRU colonel who has previously participated in the 2014 Crimea crisis.[6][8][9] Russian Wiki:(http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...%B2%D0%B8%D1%87) Igor Ivanovich Strelkov (Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin is also known under a name; On December 17, 1970, Moscow [1][2][3]) — one of leaders of the unrecognized Donetsk People's Republic. Within several months I was the commander of insurgents in the city of Slavyansk, now heads forces of "a national militia" in Donetsk. The colonel of FSB of Russia in resignation and never served in GRU ("I never served in GRU, I was the employee of FSB. Now in resignation") [2][4][5][6]. I received popularity in the spring of 2014 during armed conflicts in the east of Ukraine as the active participant of the armed organizations of the insurgents, headed "A national militia of Donbass" [7]. Since May 12, 2014 — the commander of "Donetsk People's Republic armed forces" [8][9], since May 16 — the Minister of Defence of DNR[10], since July 6 declared himself "the military commandant of Donetsk" [11]. GRU is not FSB. Girkin from FSB. English Wiki wrote falsehood.
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Aug 3, 2014 06:42
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FSB - The federal service of safety. http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/structure.htm - FSB of Russia. Investigation Investigation — activity of bodies of FSB of Russia within the Russian Federation on production, delivery and processing of the classified information connected with organized criminal and terrorist groups. Prospecting activity outside the Russian Federation is carried out by body of foreign intelligence — SVR of Russia according to the Federal law of the Russian Federation "About foreign intelligence"
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Aug 3, 2014 06:46
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About Girkin: He took part in operations in Transnistria in June-July, 1992 (the volunteer of the 2nd platoon of the Black Sea Cossack army, Koshnits — Bendery), in Bosnia from November, 1992 to March, 1993 inclusive (the 2nd Russian voluntary group, the 2nd Podrinsky easily infantry and 2nd Mayevitskaya of crew of Army of the Republika Srpska, Vysehrad — the Surf), in Chechnya (the 166th Guards separate motor-shooting crew, March-October, 1995, and in parts of a special purpose from 1999 to 2005), he performed special tasks in other regions of Russia [12][17][13]. In the late nineties he published autobiographical "The Bosnian diary" [12]. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
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Aug 3, 2014 07:15
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comaerror posted:Hi utjkju, Many people support the separatists. But people don't like that Putin does not support the separatists. Yesterday rally ( meeting) for support the separatists was in Moscow.
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Aug 3, 2014 07:20
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Women against mobilization of men in Army of Ukraina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGuhR5g2ZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtbWuqrcFqU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qcaaq0-Q0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmbl_23oRGc
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Aug 3, 2014 09:53
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Today 12 soldiers of the army of Ukraina laid down arm (ceased from strife). Soldier talked that the government of Ukraina betrayed them. Soldiers asked for help Russian soldiers in the frontier of Russia. 12 soldiers of the army of Ukraina crossed the frontier of Russia. Our people are delivering medical care to these soldiers. (Soldiers from the territory of Kotel) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBEb7QYQtE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VerPn9OMa2k utjkju fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Aug 3, 2014 14:04
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Boy in army of separatists. Boy tells that he defends his native land. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7dqkkZQm0U
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Aug 3, 2014 14:38
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Maydan 3. Harkov.))) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kf3_3Y5NQo
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Aug 3, 2014 15:28
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«Jeder anständige Deutsche hat die Pflicht, der Kriegshetze zu widerstehen» (MH17) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzrMl93KIOI
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Aug 3, 2014 17:15
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Aristotle Animes posted:oh well, let us not question the reasoning powers of a 14 year old as he spouts the party line. I usually form all my opinions based on slogans on toddlers t-shirts at tea party rallies as well. Boy has 15 years old. This boy works in educational group of army of separatists. Probability to die in educational group = probability to die in town. It is war. Children see how other children die. And boy made choosing .
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Aug 3, 2014 20:52
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A Keg posted:How are the dogs in Sochi doing these days MadMattH posted:They are probably thriving on the population of rats left when the Olympic village got deserted and all fell apart from shoddy construction and all the leftover Olympic garbage. Unless the rats ate the dogs. I don't know about dogs and rats in Sochi.
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Aug 4, 2014 04:23
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Ferdinand the Bull posted:I heard a theory that it's easier to sway Russians ideologically because they're the only country that really speaks Russian. Sure, you've got parts of some countries like Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and other countries within the old Soviet sphere of influence, but the Russian speaking populations of those countries still consider themselves Russian and look to Russia first. No. Many Russian people know 2-3 languages. Popular languages in Russia: english, german, china, japanese, french. We make translating. And russian people have good education.
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Aug 4, 2014 05:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opApBwqoUKU - buk utjkju fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 06:25
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Information war)
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Aug 4, 2014 06:56
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Double standard "Intercepts of separatist communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government indicate the separatists were in possession of a SA-11 system as early as Monday July 14th. In the intercepts, the separatists made repeated references to having and repositioning Buk (SA-11) systems." YouTobe is very, very importent source of information for USA government. Russian film in YouTobe? Russian Kyoon? Or agent of Putin? utjkju fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 08:03
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 - Your mass-media tell falsehood!!! - No. Your mass-media tell falsehood!!! (together) - TV set told this!!!
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Aug 4, 2014 08:27
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In university teacher told that there are facts and there are subjective opinions. Us were taught to divide facts and subjective opinions. What is facts i know? Maydan is fact. In Ukraina there are party Freedom. It is fact. Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine - SYCH Olexandr Maxymovych. It is fact. The party's faction (Communist) in parliament was indeed dissolved 24 July 2014 by Turchynov. It is fact. War in Ukraina is fact. Accident of Boeing MH17 is fact. Sanctions is fact. These facts which people can not confute.
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Aug 4, 2014 09:36
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Today As the representative of frontier management of FSB of the Russian Federation on the Rostov region Vasily Malayev reported, 438 servicemen from Ukraine appealed to the Russian frontier guards about a shelter, to them opened a humanitarian corridor, transfers RIA Novosti news agency. Among them there were 164 employees of the Public border service of Ukraine. Still so mass transition of the Ukrainian soldiers and officers to Russia it wasn't observed. Article original: http://russian.rt.com/article/43779#ixzz39PZiN4Vf
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Aug 4, 2014 10:01
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JustNorse posted:And I'm slightly daft. Could you enlighten me as to the conclusions you draw from these "facts"? (Quotation marks as it, for instance, is open for debate whether MH17 was an accident.) I have not conclusions. I show different opinions. I have friends and relatives in different countries. We are not enemies. To learn a cause of accident of plane, it is necessary to collect plane's fragments. Then it will be possible to establish the causes of accident. This opinion of our engineers.
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Aug 4, 2014 10:46
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MH17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp_-rBL6n6Q
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Aug 4, 2014 13:52
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HoratioRash posted:Really OP? You should know better that the first thing they teach here is grammar - grammar, synthax, phonetics first, for hell, half a year when school starts. Then, only then vocabulary lessons start. I am from Russia. And i learn English language. I wrote about it in my topic. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3606581 I live in the West Siberia. I have a pause in the lessons of english, because i improve my czech language. I am traveling in Czech republic in autumn. utjkju fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 14:32
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jimma posted:You live more than 2,000 miles away from Ukraine. What makes you qualified to start an Ask thread about this? Exactly how many people do you know who live in Ukraine? I wrote about it. I have relatives and friends from Ukraina. My father was born in Ukraina. And my grandmother and other relatives live in the East Ukraina.
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Aug 4, 2014 14:49
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tweekinator posted:If anyone is interested, my friend's fiance is trapped in Donetsk now, and he shared some excerpts from their chats with me about what her life is like now and gave me the go-ahead to share them with others. I'm phone posting now, but I can get them up once I'm home. Your friend from army of Ukraina? ( Твой друг мобилизован, ополченец или мирный житель?) utjkju fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 15:29
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tweekinator posted:No, my friend from America, whose only connection to Ukraine is through his fiancee. I did not understood. Fiancee of your friend from America is living in Doneck. Your friend live in America. Is this correct?
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Aug 4, 2014 16:32
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jimma posted:I'd much rather hear direct quotes from them. At this point, this thread is just "Ask me to post YouTube and Russian media content about the Ukraine conflict", which I don't think anyone really wants. My relatives live in Kirovograd and in Aleksandria. Forum of Kirovograd http://forum.rks.kr.ua/
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Aug 4, 2014 18:43
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:for sure, one cannot confute these facts. i, too, learned the difference between fact and opinion when i was in college. sanctions is fact, what do you people not get about this?? Some companies changed the organization of work. But sanctions are not very big problem.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:48
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tweekinator posted:Yes, they met in college. What fiancee of your friend tells?
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Aug 4, 2014 18:51
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litany of gulps posted:A lot of these people are being sarcastic, which may not translate well. Tread carefully here! The language barrier is not doing you any favors for political argument. Ok, therefore i don't write story of my relatives. I show vidio and news.
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Aug 4, 2014 19:14
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litany of gulps posted:Your story will be more credible than videos and news, because much of this news is coming from sources that are not considered credible. You're also a pretty good storyteller, from what I remember of your other thread! Russian and Ukraina news and social media have information, which i can not find in German or French or other European news. Therefore people make translating russian and Ukraina news and social media on other language. I filter information. I check some sources to which I can trust. Some facts are very awful. And difficult to believes that such is possible. For example, people from Kirovograd raise money for bullet-proof vests of soldiers of the Ukrainian army. Soldiers from the Ukrainian army don't have bullet-proof vests. You can read about it in forum of Kirovograd, but European news don't tell about it. Many people don't wish war. Many people against mobilization. But European news don't tell about it.
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Aug 4, 2014 19:49
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Meeting against war in Kirovograd. People wish that other people will know about it.     http://rk.kr.ua/v-kirovogradi-batki-polonenih-vimagali-vid-politikiv-ne-zavazhati-im-zvilnjati-ihnih-ditei
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Aug 4, 2014 19:59
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But there are people from Kirovograd who have opinion that russian people are fascists. And war is good.
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Aug 4, 2014 20:11
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tweekinator posted:Alright, a bit of background on my source: She is from Ukraine, lived and studied in Moscow, and went to a pretty good college here in the US for a bit. Prior to the Ukraine fiasco, she thought positively of Putin and his policies in general, and only started to get leery with the Crimea issue. She and her family are from Donetsk, and trapped there now. They were preparing to move closer to family near Kiev to escape this when their car broke down and they were notified that the separatists were not allowing anyone to leave the city. In these excerpts, whenever she is referring to the terrorists, she means the pro-Russian Donetsk forces. I showed film where there are people who disagree with separatists. But there are people who against Poroshenko. There are looters. People of separatists find they and chasten. Hunta (army of Ukraina) make shelling in town. utjkju fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:They do tell about it. My sources/forums don't tell me. I don't find they. Show me they.
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