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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Some Numbers posted:

I don't have infinite money

Famous last words.

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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, played a few casual games at FLGS tonight. I've been fiddling with Imp. Aces mostly so switched things up and ran a couple pancake lists. Oicunn + 2xTIE/fo was not as fun as I was hoping. Trying to take advantage of Oicunn's ramming damage (and Daredevil to proc Oicunn's ability) worked really well on the initial approach, but trying to bring Oicunn around for another pass was an exercise in futility, especially with how the obstacles ended up being placed. I used the 2x TIE's as a mini swarm, mostly to practice formation flying. After Oicunn rammed Poe couple times, the two TIE's blew him to poo poo.

The second game I played I used Dash + HLC with Poe + R2D2. However, the other guy brought Kenkirk and Redline. The guy I played said he liked Mangler Cannon on Dash better than HLC, but he said I did a good job maneuvering Dash, though. His Kenkirk build seemed way better than my crappy Oicunn build, and I think I will copy it, but maybe run Vader or Fel with it instead of Redline.

Man, this game is fun.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, I realize Fat Dash lists are kind of a solved problem at this point, but in looking ahead at Store Champ tournaments coming up in the next couple months and knowing my own playstyle, Fat Dash + Rebel Ace is probably what I'm going to do best with.

But I'm not sure what ace to put with him, right now. My current list is regen Poe, but I'm actually thinking I should pick up an E-wing and get Corran Horn. OTOH, Stressbot seems like a prominent local meta, so based on what you guys have been saying I'm starting to lean towards something more tolerant of stress.

When is the Ghost going to come out, because I'd switch to that in a heartbeat.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

ConfusedUs posted:

Super Dash shouldn't have much trouble staying out of the stresshog's arc, and Corran can outrun it.

Paul Heaver himself stopped over in reddit to talk about counters to his Regen Poe + Stresshog + <stuff> list, and he said Corran/Dash was probably the best counter.

Excellent. :getin:

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
That's my understanding

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

TaurusTorus posted:

Sadly I don't think Oicunn's ability procs off of daredevil/boost, only the actual maneuver from your dial.

Per the forums, it procs anytime you "perform" a maneuver. Using Daredevil, you perform the maneuver (which is unsuccessful because you are hopefully bumping someone) and then Oicunn does a second point of damage.

I ran a similar list (Oicunn + 2xTIE/fo) last week. The issue I had is that on the initial approach, Oicunn performed as expected and I bumped an X-wing, did the 2 pts of damage, and used the TIE/fo's (Epsilon Leader and Wingman that remove stress) to totally blow the X-wing away. After that, I had a heck of a time bringing Oicunn back around for a follow-up run. The Rebel aces are wily enough to stay well out of the way, and Oicunn is not agile enough to get back on them.

That's why I'm switching to a Kenkirk list.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
The Imperial Raider comes with a branching mini-campaign that I think tracks whether or not the Raider is damaged or squadrons are destroyed or something. I haven't dug into it yet, but it seems pretty cool. I only have Imp Raider for epic ships, so no idea if this is in the other epic expansions.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
More rebelschat:

The more they develop Kanan the more I see him as a lost padawan, and less the jedi master he appeared to be at the beginning of the series, which is a good thing. Ezra is annoying, but like you said, teenagers are pretty annoying IRL, so there you go.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Yeah, I know they're super evil but I love TIE interceptors THE MOST. They're like the TIE fighter's angry wolverine cousin.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

kingcom posted:

Peter Cushing turning out to be a turbo nerd is the best so I think thats valid.

Elaborate, please.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Prophecy120 posted:

I've noticed very little Ello Asty love in XXY or XXX builds. White Talon Rolls sound amazing combined with other T-70s, looping all over the goddamn board staying out of firing arcs. Are the other X-wing aces just that much better that no one uses Ello?

Are you talking in general or just this thread? I mean, Strobe has basically refined T-65 X-wing lists down to their pure essence. Wes is really good, though, and so is Wedge. I'd have a hard time taking Ello over either of them for a tournament list. For casual lists (which I play 90% of the time) Ello Asty is pretty cool, I think.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, we're basically looking at an edge case where a bit of base is in-arc but at range 3, and the closer part of the base (which is out of arc) is Range 2. I don't care how you measure it because Autothrusters apply in either case.

If it's the case that the base-to-base range is in-arc then it's a moot point anyway because base-to-base is same as attack range. No question there.

So, I must be missing something because I don't see anything about this "ruling" that makes me change the way I handle Autothrusters.

e:^^^It shouldn't matter because Autothrusters is beyond Range 2 OR out-of-arc

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 21, 2016

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I can't look at the diagram above because my work proxy blocks imgur. :(

But I'm proceeding from the knowledge that firing arc doesn't change just because your primary attack or secondary attack let's you fire outside of that arc.

e: wait, are you guys saying that autothrusters don't kick in when getting shot by a turret?? I don't get how that is possible based on how Autothrusters is worded (procs off the ship's firing arc)

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 21, 2016

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Pulled up the diagram on my phone. That's exactly what I was picturing. I'm just saying why I disagree with the ruling.

ofc I will be bringing this up when I run my Dash+Corran list at Store Championship in March. :getin:

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
e: nvm I'm a doof

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Weirdneal posted:

Went 2-0 in my first ever league last night against a guy running K-Wings with TLTs and bombs (not the best list, I know). I was Imp; first game 2x Bounty Hunter and a Doomshuttle, I stripped the shields on both of his K-Wings on the first pass due to some lucky die rolling and Vader and was able to focus down Miranda to prevent regen schenigans. Second game I swapped the Firesprays for Soontir and Carnor Jax, he kept the same list, and even though Jax lost SD on the first pass (rolled 5 blanks with an evade token against 2 hits from TLT), I was able to stay out of arc with Soontir all game until the end when I flew through an asteroid intentionally and took a damage to setup a Range 1 kill shot.

I really need to invest in a Raider to get the Palpmobile going; saw no fewer than 3 guys running that last night; would have saved Jax in the second game for sure and made much shorter work of things.

What is a Doomshuttle? Like a Fat Lambda?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Weirdneal posted:

Went 2-0 in my first ever league last night against a guy running K-Wings with TLTs and bombs (not the best list, I know). I was Imp; first game 2x Bounty Hunter and a Doomshuttle, I stripped the shields on both of his K-Wings on the first pass due to some lucky die rolling and Vader and was able to focus down Miranda to prevent regen schenigans. Second game I swapped the Firesprays for Soontir and Carnor Jax, he kept the same list, and even though Jax lost SD on the first pass (rolled 5 blanks with an evade token against 2 hits from TLT), I was able to stay out of arc with Soontir all game until the end when I flew through an asteroid intentionally and took a damage to setup a Range 1 kill shot.

I really need to invest in a Raider to get the Palpmobile going; saw no fewer than 3 guys running that last night; would have saved Jax in the second game for sure and made much shorter work of things.

Could you post this list? I'm interested to see what you did for upgrades on the Firesprays.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Chill la Chill posted:

I should be able to go down again to see ya guys in regionals this summer. Where are some good bbq places down there?

Do you have to live in that region to enter that regional? One of the local FLGS in my midwestern city here is applying for a regional, and I'm wondering I can go to my local regional AND the Minneapolis regional. We could have a little mini goon-wang meetup. (or is that weird)

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

enigmahfc posted:

So, in Vassal is there anyway to guarantee your opponent isn't changing their dial while it is flipped over while I am doing my moves? Like, if my PS1 ship does a straight 3, and my opponent knows their PS9 ship will bump it when he moves, what is to stop him from rotating his dial to a different maneuver without me knowing it? Or is the answer simply, "don't play with shitheads"?

I immediately flip my dial over and show the other person then put the dial on the table and execute the maneuver. If someone is picking up a dial and fiddling with it for a second before showing you... maybe start watching him more closely.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

pbpancho posted:

And to the guy thinking of attending the MN regional, if you do, let me know! I won't be playing (employees can't play anything higher than Store Champs), but I'll likely be judging or something.

kk, will do

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Tekopo posted:

Tried Vassary, Tractor, TIE/D, TIE Mk2, VI and four PS1 FOs against Vader with VI, ATC, Omega leader with juke/comms and two other FO aces with crack shot.

Vassary and pals wrecked, only lost one FO. I think Vassery is going to be the standout pilot of the Defender. He's seriously really good with the double tap and a mini-swarm of TIEs with TLs. I was making sure to spread the TLs around so whoever he shot, he would still get the re-rolls. Can't wait :woop:

That sounds pretty awesome. Noob formation flying question: Do you fly Vessery in formation with everyone else?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Koopa Kid posted:

Honestly a friend and I were really put off by the initial rule book scenario of no actions, no stress, no asteroids etc. It just felt tedious. It wasn't until we tried the more fleshed out ruleset a few weeks later that we started getting into it.

Again, it all depends on the audience. I've demoed X-wing to a few different groups, and the basic game is perfect for people that don't have boardgamegeek accounts. It highlights the core elements of the game (maneuvering with templates, rolling dice to attack/defend). For gaming newbies, they all get sucked in because those core elements are really well done, and removing all the advanced stuff let's new players get sucked into flying really nice looking plastic space ships. They get a lot more time to just look at those cute little guys as opposed to staring at upgrade cards trying to figure out what the gently caress Push The Limit does and why is it 3 points and what's an action and what's a stress token.

If you're a more grizzled strategy board game tryhard, then I'd break out a couple 100 pt squads and dig into it.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Icon Of Sin posted:

This is like the only time something happens between missing your shots and the gunner attacking?

It depends on what the cards say, really. Bossk and Gunner happen at the exact same time, so the acting player gets to choose the order. If there were other cards that happened "If you perform an attack that does not hit" then you could use those abilities instead.

As I understand it, it's not about "something happening between". It's about executing two card abilities that are simultaneous, and you get to pick the order they go off. If you wanted to, you could use Gunner's ability and THEN use Bossk's ability.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Per the rules as written, if two ships are touching bases they cannot shoot at each other.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Strobe posted:

It could actually triple tap, if you use gunner on your second shot of the round.

I'm going to be running Dengar with the title, Adaptability, and Inertial Dampners, supported by two PS1 StarVipers with Autothrusters.

Dengar procs on defense though. Granted, you can still Bossk/Gunner off it, but it requires you defend against an attack in your firing arc, so it's a bit more situational.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Koopa Kid posted:

Don't be a dick man, people not getting thrilled by endlessly pinwheeling in space and comparing random dice results in a no-obstacles no-token game doesn't make them "try-hards" with BGG accounts (whatever you even think that means). Nobody's saying anything about running 100-point demos off the bat.

Whoa, cool off. That line wasn't an insult. I'm as groggy as anyone and consider myself as tryhard as anyone when it comes to strategy games. Yikes, man. Wasn't trying to offend, but you're being awfully sensitive, there.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Otisburg posted:

I'd love* for Defenders to be a whole thing, but on paper it still feels pretty steeply priced. Paying Poe Dameron prices for a guy with the same HP and PWV, only PS1 with no pilot ability is rough. Once Veterans drops I'll put them on the table and take the Pepsi challenge for sure, though.

*(or at least my inner 14-year-old who loved having his Magic Sith Tattoo inked pilot fly the ridiculous ubership on Vader's wing would love)



Next League night I think I'll try a RAC+Whisper.

How do you guys feel about :
Rear Admiral Chiraneau (46)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Darth Vader (3)
Ysanne Isard (4)
Gunner (5)
Engine Upgrade (4)

"Whisper" (32)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Advanced Cloaking Device (4)

Total: 100

I'm thinking about switching to this list, if only because I can turn chunks of Decimator into critical damage when I get angry at someone's green dice (which I inevitably do).

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

The Gate posted:

Yeah, Vader would fit Moff Jerjerrod better almost, what with his propensity to kill people who screw up. :v:

Hey now, Moff Jerjerrod got the death star operational, as planned. The plan was to be able to super laser the rebel fleet, and they did. He wasn't a giant screw-up like Ozzel.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Chemmy posted:

Played my first league game ever last night, I ran Poe with BB8, PTL and Autothrusters, Red Ace with R2-D2 and Autothrusters, and a Gold Sq. with BTL, TLT and R3-A2.

Went against a guy with 2014 store champ movement templates so figured I was in for it. He ran Whisper with advanced cloaking, agent kallus, veteran instincts and something else, wampa, chaser and a palp shuttle.

He set up on my right side in the far corner. I put my y-wing dead center to use it as area denial, with red ace next to him and Poe off on my left corner.

My plan worked, he turned Whisper into the center of the board and I immediately put two stress on her and stuck Poe right behind her. I couldn't get a shot for about four turns but he couldn't get Whisper into the fight.

Meanwhile I beat up Chaser with the y-wing before the two TIEs and the Shuttle dealt it some big crits and he went down.

Red Ace popped the shuttle and then Chaser. I was still harrying Whisper back into the fight and managed to Target Lock her with Red Ace on her decloak.

Then on the next turn he bumped Whisper into Wampa on his move, and I had Tallon rolled Red Ace. No cloak for Whisper meant Poe and Red Ace gunned her down and his Wanpa only had 1 hull left so he conceded.

Feels good man.

Conceded?!?!?! That's COLLUSION! CHEATER

j/k I read an angry ffg forum post about people having very strong opinions about someone deciding a game with a coinflip back in 2014. Ended up with the person involved "taking full responsibility" and getting banned from locals/regionals this season. It felt kinda weird to care that much about the whole situation, but maybe there is something I don't get.

The forum thread was started (I think) by that xwingtactics tumblr guy.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

ConfusedUs posted:

I had a really good time, but didn't do as well as I'd hoped to do. Final record was 2 wins, 3 losses.

Here's the list I've been running for several weeks:
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...ip%20Antistress

It's a toolbox list. A heavy hitter, a blocker, an ace, and consistent damage. When everything comes together, it's quite amazing. In general, I find that I win very quickly, or we go into an extended dogfight, which usually favors me.

But when I can't get it together, the opposite is true.

The two games I won (games 2 and 4), I won quite decisively (100-39, 100-12). Both were a fat turret + escort, and in both games I was able to set up a joust with the more dangerous target and wipe it in a turn or two.

The very first game, I got tabled (0-100) by a local player. I have zero regrets. Tim is very good, and this is par for the course. He always flies Jan Ors, Wedge, and Biggs. Always. For years. He's got it down to a science, and it hits like a truck. The first engagement has decided the entire game, every time we've ever played, and this time was no different. I wasn't able to take down Biggs, but he got my Soontir.

The third game was my favorite of the day. It was Whisper (Kallus, FCS, Adv Cloaking, VI), Soontir (Targeting Computer instead of Stealth), and a doom shuttle. A doom shuttle was literally painted like a cow. It was adorable.

Anyway, this game was a mad slugfest, with the imperial aces zipping around like angry hornets. Both of us had to switch targets multiple times, with near misses everywhere. It was a wonderful mad scramble and everything I love in X-Wing. We traded Soontirs early, but then I lost Omega Leader to an unfortunate roll, and it was all downhill from there. I managed to take out the cow, but it ended with Whisper vs my shuttle. A foregone conclusion. Up until I lost Omega Leader, it was anyone's game. Final score 58-100

The last game, I also got tabled. This game was infuriating. I have somehow managed to bump up my entire list at kitty-corner angles three turns in a row. I got no actions on the shuttle or Omega Leader for the entire game. I've flown that exact same opening at least 20 times and haven't ever done this. It's like I bumped my ships, without noticing, and knocked them astray.

Even so, I lined up several very juicy shots. And rolled absolutely nothing. For all of them. Between the bumping and the cold dice rolls, I did almost no damage. :(

I got my C3PO (not that I ever play Rebels), and one of my favorite local players (Keith) came in second overall. All in all, an excellent day.

In the games vs. the fat turrent + escort, is there anything they could've done to make the defeats at least somewhat less decisive? Reason I ask is that I'm planning to run Dash+Corran in the next few local tournaments.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Kill_Discussion posted:

X-wing is by far the largest Vassal community. Weeknights during prime time there can be upwards of 50 players these days due to the X-Wing Vassal league that just kicked off. You can usually find someone looking to play within 5-10 mins.

Would it be dumb to set up a little goon Vassal night or have a little mini-tournament for just people who post (or lurk) this thread? Maybe set up a challonge bracket or something.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Admiral Joeslop posted:

From what I remember, the second cockpit appeared sometime in the EU way before Rebels. It's also already represented by the B-wing modification that puts in a crew :v:

I thought the E2 mod just made it a two-seat, single-cockpit, like they do on some of the modern fighter jets that have a two-seater variant for training.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Took me forever to figure out that I could just right-click a ship, and execute a maneuver. Before that I placed a template, used SHIFT-ARROW to get it lined up, then pick up the ship and drag it over, rotate it and SHIFT-ARROW some more to line it up on the other end.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
For those trying to wrap their heads around vassal, this page has a huge pile of good information.

http://s93768914.onlinehome.us/xwing/

Maybe jivjov could add that link to the OP?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

EnjoiThePureTrip posted:

I run basically this same list except Sensor Jammer on Whisper instead of FCS and no Stealth Device on OL.

I love the list, and have yet to lose. Whisper is everyone's prime target and with Kallus + Sensor Jammer + Palp even if VI Poe is shooting there's a good chance no shots get through, and after he cloaks he's basically unhittable. Meanwhile, it gives OL free reign to do his thing.

Question on this list: For Whisper, wouldn't Stygium Particle Accel be a better mod for durability? I haven't used Whisper so don't have any experience, myself.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
So, a few weeks back I played against a guy who had a Decimator list with kenkirk+Isard+RebelCaptive+Gunner+VI and swore up and down it was the best Decimator list.

So, last night I took it up against a Rebel Aces list (Regen Poe + Regen RedAce + Stresshog) and holy balls it was annoying. I dispatched the stresshog early, so it was my Kenkirk+Whisper against Poe and RedAce. The person I was playing kinda floated Poe around the asteroids in the middle a bit so I focused on RedAce (who was green maneuvering almost the whole game to regen shields off Artoo) and Kenkirk just could. not. close. the deal. It was a battle of attrition and my poor job of flying Whisper combined with Kenkirk's lack of offensive punch couldn't get through RedAce's shields before Poe showed up and plinked away at the Deci.

Also, Rebel Captive is overrated, I think, at least against rebel aces. Regen aces don't give a care about a little stress against Decimator.

Next round, I'm going to do the more standard RAC with Vader+Gunner and see if I like it any better. Whisper was fun, and was the first time I'd really used it at all. I need some practice with it, but it felt agile and effective, even with the decloak nerf. I just have to practice avoiding obstacles.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
It seems like Whisper left when the Decloak nerf happened, but people are realizing the nerf alone isn't enough to destroy Whisper's utility?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Geisladisk posted:

Whisper's big problem now is that she relies immensely on moving last, and the meta right now is dominated by PS 10 Poes.

Yeah, I'm currently 0-2 with Decimator + Whisper vs. Poe + friends. Poe destroyed her in both games. Regen aces are really a bugger right now.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

ConfusedUs posted:

Take Epsilon ace ( the one that is ps12 until hurt). Give whisper or echo Decoy instead of VI

Laugh at ps10 Poe.

Decoy only applies to combat phase, though.

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Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I'm pretty sure that was a crack at chick-fil-a's known anti-gay stance. If it wasn't, it should've been lol

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