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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


So I recently caught up and bought my 2nd core and all the packs.

...and I don't know the first thing about deckbuilding. I guess the ranks and values matter for combat/lowball in addition to what the cards actually do?

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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Jonas Albrecht posted:

Yes! Your draw structure is critical to your success in nearly every deck archtype.

Arggh my Netrunner brain will not make sense of this.

I need some dudes...and some weapons for them....and some deeds..and some other stuff...

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Jonas Albrecht posted:

And to add one final deck type, there are Dead Man's Hand decks, that shoot for that mythic top hand.

The big difficulty they face is that tgose decks really need to degenerate (deck shrinking due to playing aceing cards) to get going.

I want to try a Gadget DMH deck.

It's weird that you decide your structure before picking cards to me.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


I think I might try a Law Dogs deck where they buy guns, shoot people with them, and punish cheaters. Seems like a basic starting archetype.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


So here's what I'm looking at for a first go round.

quote:

♠ Spades (12)
1x A Lucinda "Lucy" Clover
2x A Jake Smiley
1x A Clementine Lepp
2x 2 Olivia Jenks
1x 2 Judge Harry Somerset
1x 2 Philip Swinford
1x 3 Ramiro Mendoza
1x 3 Tommy Harden
1x 4 Prescott Utter
1x 9 Xiong "Wendy" Cheng

♣ Clubs (14)
2x A Establishin' Who's in Charge
2x A Make 'em Sweat
4x 2 Make the Smart Choice
1x 3 The Stakes Just Rose
1x 3 Sun in Yer Eyes
1x 6 Hot Lead Flyin'
1x 6 One Good Turn…
2x 6 Faster on the Draw

♦ Diamonds (10)
1x A Bank of California
1x A Pony Express
2x A The Mayor's Office
2x 2 Pettigrew’s Pawnshop
2x 2 The Town Hall
2x 6 Killer Bunnies Casino

♥ Hearts (16)
4x A Pair of Six-Shooters
2x 2 Peacemaker
2x 2 Bluetick
2x 3 Shotgun
2x 6 Roan
2x 6 Holy Wheel Gun
2x Q Legendary Holster

It uses a basic full house structure, Aces and 2s, with 6s and 3s as backup. I can see it getting torn up by a Shotgun with those values though.

The basic style is to make police officers with guns to murder people.

Should I use jokers? And I'm not totally sure who I'd start. I keep finding myself wanting to start too much upkeep.

Deviant fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 20, 2015

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Jonas Albrecht posted:

Maybe Wendy, Jake, Tommy, and Lucy.

Also, Jokers are good unless there's a specific card you want in your opening hand.

Anything specific you'd change in the deck itself?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Alright, I tightened up the draw structure on my setup while trying to stay true to its goals.

Spades (* starting posse) (13)
2x A Jake Smiley
1x A Lucinda "Lucy" Clover
1x A Clementine Lepp
2x 2 Olivia Jenks
1x 2 Judge Harry Somerset
1x 2 Philip Swinford
1x 3 Ramiro Mendoza
2x 3 Philip Swinford
1x 3 Tommy Harden
1x 9 Xiong "Wendy" Cheng

♣ Clubs (14)
2x A Establishin' Who's in Charge
2x A Make 'em Sweat
4x 2 Make the Smart Choice
2x 3 The Stakes Just Rose
2x 3 Sun in Yer Eyes
2x 6 Faster on the Draw

♦ Diamonds (11)
1x A Bank of California
2x A The Mayor's Office
1x A Pony Express
1x 2 Pettigrew’s Pawnshop
1x 2 The Town Hall
1x 3 1st Baptist Church
2x 3 Yan Li's Tailoring
1x 3 Hustings
1x 6 Killer Bunnies Casino

♥ Hearts (14)
4x A Pair of Six-Shooters
4x 2 Peacemaker
4x 3 Shotgun
2x Q Legendary Holster

Jokers (2)

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Is spamming deeds to gain control points as rapidly as possible that can't be meaningfully contested a viable strategy?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Hauki posted:

So I jumped on the massdrop for this and got it yesterday. Used to play the CCG way back when and figured this was worth checking out. Anything I should know before leaping in, either changes or new things? It doesn't look like the OP has been updated since before the game first released. I'd also be teaching some people who aren't familiar with the ccg if anyone's got anything to add in that realm.

use the prebuilt decks and follow the sample game with one other person who will indulge that first. it teaches all the things you can do, which helps because Doomtown is a game with lots of options at any given moment, and sometimes the right thing to do is nothing.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Father Wendigo posted:

Mind sharing that forum? My curiosity has been piqued, and you don't have PMs so this is the only way to ask.



Saw this coming a mile away, and my brain actually played the 'sad horn' noise.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Can someone tell me what order all the expansions came out in? I'm gonna buy/catch up, and I'm not sure what I need.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Jonas Albrecht posted:

Correct!

Also, drat Shane is good. I like the idea of protection against hose-y Desolation Row decks.

well, i caught up on my packs.

now to sort them and build some decks for gencon~.

maybe some clowns.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


I think one of the troubles I'm having is coming up with a concept.

Netrunner i find easier, do people pick a card and build around it in DT? or a combo? or more, basic deck archetype?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


If I Ace a dude using Judge Harry, does that also satisfy 'discard' for Gomorra Jail?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Nope. You don't get points for having corpses in your jail.

Well, that combo is less good than I thought. But Judge+Burton still seems good.

Also, can I get feedback on this 4R Hex deck? The idea is to blood curse the enemy out to gently caress-all influence and win on control.

I want to take 2 decks to gencon and this is one i'm considering.


The Fourth Ring (Base Set)

Dude (13)
1x Micah Ryse* (Base Set)
4x Avie Cline (Base Set)
2x Jia Mein* (Base Set)
4x Steele Archer* (Base Set)
2x Smiling Tom (Election Day Slaughter)

Deed (12)
4x B & B Attorneys (Base Set)
4x Carter's Bounties (Base Set)
4x General Store (Base Set)

Spell (12)
4x Shadow Walk (Base Set)
4x Blood Curse (Base Set)
4x Puppet (Election Day Slaughter)

Action (15)
4x War Paint (Base Set)
4x Unprepared (Base Set)
3x Hex Slingin' (Base Set)
4x It's Not What You Know... (Double Dealin')

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:


So in the deck we're running:

4: 2
7: 2
8: 15
10: 5
J: 7
Q: 15
K: 1

I originally picked cards I thought would work well, and then doubled down on their draw value. I guess I don't need to do that since I won't be getting into shootouts (ideally), or I'll be winning them via other means?

Any reason you're not running 2 jokers?

Deviant fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jul 22, 2015

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Organizing my stuff, I know a few cards have been errata'ed and reprinted, can anyone confirm which cards have been re-issued so far?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Unprepared was rereleased in Frontier Justice
Concealed Weapons(?) was rereleased in No Turning Back

I think that's it.

Thank you. On an unrelated note, I accidentally bought an extra Frontier Justice.

Anyone need it?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Had my Sheriff event out here in Taipei, went about as badly as it could go. Two of our regulars were out of town so I drafted two of my star wars regulars to fill some seats. Then the guy I'd gotten to judge no-showed and another guy decided he had better things to do, taking us from 6 with a judge to 5 with no judge, so I stepped out to judge leaving 4 players to compete for the sheriff stuff.

However my loss is your gain as I have 7 extra sets(one red one black) of Jokers. If anyone can't make it to a Sheriff event and wants them drop me an email: paybackjack@gmail.com

Sending you an e-mail. Still using that chronos protocol mat, i am the envy of the netrunner tryhards.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Cool, I quit Netrunner over a year ago and nobody really stepped up to the plate and went as deep into it as a TO as I was but we still have a nice collection of 8 playmats at the store and your Wotan is one of them.

If you emailed me, I will have your promos in the mail tomorrow, assuming you got your address to me.

i didn't include the address because i'm dumb. i will now.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Jonas Albrecht posted:

I'm going all in on the Eagle Wardens, but until then, I really want to build a Sister Mary Blessed deck.

Speaking of Law Dogs gimmicks, feast your eyes on this train wreck.

quote:

Dude (8)
1x Judge Harry Somerset* (Base Set)
1x Philip Swinford* (Base Set)
1x Tommy Harden* (Base Set)
4x Steven Wiles (Base Set)
1x Andrew Burton* (Frontier Justice)

Deed (4)
3x Pat's Perch (Base Set)
1x Gomorra Jail* (Frontier Justice)

Goods (4)
2x Quickdraw Handgun (Base Set)
2x The Evidence (Election Day Slaughter)

Action (36)
2x Make the Smart Choice (Base Set)
2x The Stakes Just Rose (Base Set)
2x Sun in Yer Eyes (Base Set)
4x Coachwhip! (Base Set)
4x Pistol Whip (Base Set)
4x Pinned Down (Base Set)
4x Cheatin' Varmint (Base Set)
4x Unprepared (Base Set)
4x Faster on the Draw (Faith and Fear)
4x This’ll Hurt in the Mornin’ (Faith and Fear)
2x Flight of the Lepus (Frontier Justice)

It's loosely based on another jail/burton combo i saw online.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


BJPaskoff posted:

I'll never build a Judge deck because they take up literally every action in the game and don't let you build another deck. Unless you're like some weird Clubless Morgan Gadget deck.

It played nice with my 4R control deck except for Travis and reserves.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Well, I got nightmare at noon and Immovable Object at Gencon.

Now to make a kung fu exploitation movie deck.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Lucky bastard, I should have made you stand in line and buy me one. I can't wait. Kung Fu just looks ridiculous. Hopefully they can keep the power level down and I'm glad that the cards don't immediately go to your discard pile.

I didn't stand in any line. They had them restocked day two.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Then shame on you for not buying two and sending one to me.

It was karma for standing in the FFG line for 3 hours.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Can I get some thoughts on this A-2-3 108 Bandits Deck?

quote:

Dude (14)
1x Abuelita Espinoza* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Allie Hensman (Base Set)
1x Bai Yang Chen* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Benjamin Washington* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Daomei Wang (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Jake Smiley (Election Day Slaughter)
2x Longwei Fu (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Olivia Jenks (Base Set)
2x Ramiro Mendoza (Base Set)
1x Randall (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Xiaodan Li* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Xui Yin Chen* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

Deed (12)
1x Bank of California (Base Set)
1x Gomorra Parish (Base Set)
1x Hustings (Double Dealin')
3x Pettigrew’s Pawnshop (Faith and Fear)
2x Pony Express (Base Set)
1x The Mayor's Office (Election Day Slaughter)
2x Yan Li's Tailoring (Base Set)
1x 1st Baptist Church (Base Set)

Goods (10)
2x Bluetick (Base Set)
2x Nunchucks (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Pair of Six-Shooters (Base Set)
2x Shotgun (Base Set)

Action (16)
2x Hot Lead Flyin' (Base Set)
2x Rabbit's Lunar Leap (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Raking Dragons (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Shifu Speaks (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Zhu's Ferocity (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

The idea is to start up the powerful upkeep dudes, pay for them turn 1 using Benjamin, then get hyper aggressive with them, while also throwing down a few deeds to cover the expenses on subsequent turns. Six Shooters are defense against flight of the lepus.

It's designed to be highly aggressive, and kinda falls flat otherwise I think?

Deviant fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Sep 22, 2015

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Could work, Hyper Aggression needs more shootout actions though. You also have no cheating punishment and that's a no-no especially in a hyper aggression deck because the only people who are fighting you are going to be ones that feel the strength of their draw is good enough to do so, which probably means a 3x16 type build.

I'm also totally in love with Straight Flush builds at the moment, hitting your stride mid game and pulling a ton of legal high hands is so nice.

These are great points, but I'm so tight for card space as is, I'm not sure what I'd cut.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


Hold on, I'm confused. Did I miss packs, or did they go straight from IOUF to The Light Shineth?

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


InShaneee posted:

Correct. If I understand correctly, IOUF was a "faction pack" and not part of the regular saddlebag/pine box cycle.

Ok, just checking. Light Shineth is in stock at CSI and I wasn't sure if I needed to pick up anything else.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


PaybackJack posted:

Exact same thing went on over the summer.

Me: "Morgan sucks. Gadgets suck, they're not competitive. Decks are too fast and gadgets don't swing the board enough and Morgan dudes are terrible early game."
Doomtown Facebook Posters: "How dare you? AEG has made a wonderful game full of flavor. Of course gadgets are competitive; you're just playing them wrong. The more you say this, the less people will play them!"
Me: "They haven't won a sheriff event and we're a good 40 events into the season."
Them: "I don't find your data pool representative of the actual environment."
Me: "You don't find the data pool of the highest levels of competitive events representative of competitive events?"
Them: "No, you need to look at a larger pool of data."
Me: "Ok, where is that pool of data."
Them: "Well obviously we don't have it!"
:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:


I semi-humourously refer to L5R/Doomtown as AEG's Shelter for Battered Magic Card Players. God forbid you even utter the phrase Magic around these people, they get loving triggered by it. So when you even hint that the game might be played at a level a bit higher than your casual level, and that perhaps maybe a bit of analyisis is needed to see why card X is good and gets used and why card Y is bad and doesn't; these people lose their loving minds like you walked into their house, told them their dog was the worst dog you'd ever seen then shot it. For christ's sakes I saw someone defend Auction on a forum the other day; and that's probably the worst card in the environment outside of Lady Luck.

I had this problem when I was serious businessing netrunner year 1. They can't be taught, just crush them.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


So I ran this 108 bandits deck yesterday and it is getting some work done.

quote:

The 108 Righteous Bandits (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

Dude (14)
1x Allie Hensman (Base Set)
1x Olivia Jenks (Base Set)
2x Ramiro Mendoza (Base Set)
1x Benjamin Washington* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
2x Daomei Wang (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Randall (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Xiaodan Li* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
2x Longwei Fu (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Xui Yin Chen* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Abuelita Espinoza* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
1x Bai Yang Chen* (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

Deed (12)
1x Bank of California (Base Set)
2x Pony Express (Base Set)
1x Gomorra Parish (Base Set)
1x 1st Baptist Church (Base Set)
2x Yan Li's Tailoring (Base Set)
1x Hustings (Double Dealin')
1x The Mayor's Office (Election Day Slaughter)
3x Pettigrew's Pawnshop (Faith and Fear)

Goods (10)
4x Pair of Six-Shooters (Base Set)
2x Bluetick (Base Set)
2x Shotgun (Base Set)
2x Nunchucks (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

Action (16)
4x Coachwhip! (Base Set)
4x Shifu Speaks (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Zhu's Ferocity (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)
4x Raking Dragons (Immovable Object, Unstoppable Force)

Shotgun isn't quite as good as Holster, but it fits the draw structure better. You start it up, grift for 3 on turn 1, then park Abuleita at a deed with helpers nearby. Ideally you can get a deed out turn 1 to get the economy going.

It's super aggressive, and the kung fu chains well.

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Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


EDIT: Misread the new 108. That's playable.

Other cards? Not sure what i'd do with them.

Kung fu wizards still gettin' shafted.

Hustled is playable in my Aces/2s/3s Kung Fu deck (earlier in thread), maybe. I never manage to get shifu speaks at the same time as all the kung fu hustles.

Deviant fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 4, 2015

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