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Cataphract posted:No guys, it's totally ok cause the Imperium are actually nazis, see. Now to start painting my Cu Clux Cadians, they like to lynch xenos. I thought the point was the Imperium is a giant Roman Empire in space. The Eagle was a Roman thing before the Nazis tried to co-opt it. Chill la Chill posted:A bunch of us from the old offsite SA 40k forum called him out on it in the original dakka thread and it resulted in mods deleting all of the posts that weren't ooh and ahhhhhing the paint job. I still have the PMs and he starts decrying SA as a bunch of manchildren and says he can spot a goon a mile away lol Now I need to find a way to troll/grief this guy. I vaguely remember the initial thread about the army, but I don't think he had a painting service at the time. There were some non-SA voices saying he'd lose teeth/his army case if he showed up with that at their shops, which I thought was appropriate. That forum is poo poo every time any time anything involving social justice comes up.
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SRM posted:Nothing says "unleashing psychic might" like a bunch of goopy Space Marine helmets coming out of a Librarian's back: That's sad because like a lot of the conversions here it's 40% of the way to being something cool. A grey knight techmarine levitating a bunch of tools while he's reparing something? Cool. A champion in lotus position floating while his force weapon is levitiated into a fighting pose? Cool. A bunch of flat painted helmets with uninked superglue blobs around a librarian? poo poo. MasterSlowPoke posted:From what I remember of the Tampa Warmahordes scene, it'll probably get best painted in every tournament. Please tell me this was in jest.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:They tended not to paint anything. I wish I could say the local WFB guys here are much better. I've won more than one best painted by default. Isn't War Machine still an incredibly low figure count? I mean, we're talking <40 figures in most cases, right? That's zero effort and embarassing.
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drat you for beating me to this! The thread full of people defending this army on Dakka was astounding to me. It's not only Brony poo poo, but also incredibly lazy. The bases are just flat green and no flock, with a pre-painted figs on top. Zero effort and a lovely theme rolled into one. I'm trying to find it, but there was an equally lovely 40K army from a year or two ago. Used a lot of fish tank ornaments as stand-ins for Eldar jetbikes, right after the new book dropped and everyone realized that bikes were incredibly good. Not as "I own a van and an ether rag" as the MLP army, but just as lazy. Can't find a link to it now, of course. Chill la Chill posted:Ugh, it's so nicely painted too. Hunh? Those aren't painted by anyone but some developing world wage slave working for Hasbro. Even inking them might have helped, but that would have the army require a little more work than a troll army like this deserves. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Wurzag posted:Wait, literally stick their plastic men in the oven? I think it's a joke about the Cron Air list being full of croissants.
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YF19pilot posted:That's a serious red flag and really should be a suable issue. Insofar as my limited knowledge goes, in creative fields you submit a portfolio, or at most demonstrate working knowledge of the software/tools, but not actually produce a meaningful product. I take it these guys are in the US and someone needs to run their asses up the AG's flagpole and soon! Hahahahaha. We allow companies to hire people to real work and be paid in "experience" (unpaid interns) This guy is just par for the course. Considering the stuff I've seen with painting services here, the most ethical option seems to be the third-world sweatshop variety. They pay more to the worker, and you don't end up supporting fash trash. EDIT: Thought I'd add that BTP is the company that IIRC openly talked about not wanting to hire a disabled person because they'd have to deal with EEO stuff at that point. I'd love nothing more than Johnny Law to ruin their poo poo repeated. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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YF19pilot posted:Not to give validity to unpaid internships, but they are at least an arrangement made in contract, versus tricking someone into rendering a product, service, or employ under the false pretense of "an interview". A particularly litigious AG would enjoy ruining them. But that also depends on what state they are in. Blue Table is either in Utah or Arizona, so really is the Land that Law Forgot for job creators. There was zero defense of these guys, just that they were going to get away with it.
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Just saw this on Dakka: Why? The conversion looks like it could be cool, but anyone can paint better than that.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:It would look fine if he used Matte Varnish. The problem with painting effects like heavy shiny inks and dipping is that the shinyness of the ink/dip basically removes the layering effect caused by using them via light reflection. You need to either go over them with matte varnish to get rid of the shine or mix in matte medium when you apply them (GW washes for instance contain matte medium which is why they cloud sometimes if improperly used). It also doesn't help that he has made the problem worse by using a very bright flash that in combination with the shiny wash lights up parts of the model that wouldn't even be visible in normal light (the mouth for instance). The issue is the basecoating is crappy and too thick, not gloss finish. The light didn't help much, but it's not the main issue. For your enjoyment, here's another crappy pic from dakka. Crappy tiger striping? Check. Bizarre color choice? Check. Stupid girly decal? Check. It's paint by numbers for a bad IG tank. 
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Slimnoid posted:I think that has to do with how aggressive BTP is at advertising itself. Yeah, they're huge on getting their name out there. They're the only big domestic painting service that I know in the US. Everyone else is a single guy or couple operation. BTP seems to make their bread and butter by suckering people and operating out of a very pro-business state.
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SRM posted:Kingdom Death: A world of gothic horror and big booty anime girls. How does someone wearing that little STILL have a boob window? The whole thing makes me sad to be a part of the same hobby as these creeps. EDIT: Christ, you can even see her vagina from the rear. Somehow that makes the whole thing even worse. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Numlock posted:I'm sure that they know they are making poo poo people will masturbate to and don't care. The only reason the naughty bits have those covering is so that its just this side of being actual pornography. Hahahahaha. That figure is one of the more tame ones. There are actual nude/porn models. Of course, there's actual rape/hentai figs too. gently caress anyone who thinks this poo poo is appropriate.
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Green Intern posted:It's either 3d printed, or somehow made of carefully carved styrofoam. I think that's just textured white plasticard.
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:The first thing I'd do if I received it from a professional painting company is look up the number of Trading Standards. This is exactly why stuff like this can flourish in the US. There's no equivalent to Trading Standards in the US (BBB exists but lacks the power to ruin anyone) so lots of small businesses like BTP get to rip people off for minor (in comparison to the cost of court time/lawyers) amounts of money. It yet another example of how we do our best in the States to be the land that law forgot instead of something actually functioning.
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JcDent posted:You and me both. Though I heard that one can apply a mystical substance called "effort" and it leads to the condition of "being better". I might try that on Saturday, see how it goes. Practicing at it is entirely how you get better. I went from awful to above average in a few years just through practice and learning better techniques. It's one reason that I'm only posting offensive stuff here, not bad paint jobs. People starting off or not getting the results they want shouldn't be laugh at, they should be encouraged. Save the laughs for Brony poo poo or when some pedo paints up their Kingdom Death figs. Post some stuff on the painting thread here and ask for advice. The BTP stuff isn't that bad in itself, it's just awful for what you pay for it. I hate them for the employee abuse stuff more than any bad paint job, but the way they hold people's paid for figs hostage is also sketchy as hell.
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lilljonas posted:That said, few people are worse painters than historical gamers. I'll dig for some prime examples for the thread when I get home from work. As a historical gamer, I wouldn't say it's true all the time. 28mm ancients had some pretty nice armies when I was playing WAB a bit more. But there was a lot of crossover from the WFB/40K community, which are both pretty good about painting in general. 15mm and smaller stuff just doesn't have much detail to it, so a lot of techniques just don't work well. EDIT: And it involves bunches of old guys, who have poo poo eyesight and co-ordination, on top of not knowing any modern techniques. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Chill la Chill posted:Really? I thought that with them being older and being more anal about details they'd have better results. Or is it that they're anal about colors but beyond that gently caress it my goopy faced Napoleon is fine? Now I want a scrunt Napoleon give me a scruntoleon Ask and you shall receive:  
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moths posted:Historicals run the same quality spectrum as fantasy/sci-fi, with the advantage that most of the time your color choices are picked out for you. Smaller scale infantry is very hard to paint well, and very easy to mess up. That's the biggest issue I've seen in historicals, plus for certain communities (mainly DBx from what I saw) people don't put much effort into having nice looking stuff. Agreed that you get much less bad historicals online because grandpa doesn't understand how to use the intertron.
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lilljonas posted:Then there's the "gamers", who often paint up large number of miniatures. Many of these started the hobby before GW was a thing. Say what you want about GW, but they did a great job at pushing painting tutorials in their magazines and books, something that didn't really exist in the same way in the historical gaming community. So they paint with pretty much none of the "standard" techniques, it's just flat paint. I also think the figures you're showing are smaller scale here. Think 10-15mm, vs. "heroic" 28mm (closer to 32mm) that's used in GW or Privateer stuff. A lot of the techniques used on bigger figures don't work as well on smaller stuff. I'll also say that dipping came in from the historical side IME-- I'd seen and used it there on stuff well before it became en vogue for alt figures. The move towards 28mm wargames has improved painting dramatically in ancients, and you now see much nicer armies. The one thing that this thread really shows me is how much "tabletop standard" has increased in the last decade. It's sort of sad to see people showing that Mantis guy or the fatcrons as awful, since to me they're both interesting conversions with average painting. The kind of stuff you'd want to encourage people to do, not mock people for. These aren't bad boob conversions or nazi stuff, they're your average guys doing stuff.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I posted the Fatcrons and Mantis Marine more because they look really goofy rather than because of any technical issues. I'd field an army paintes up to either standard (hell, they're both better than many of my models) but I don't think I'd use either conversion. Those are eth standard for goofy conversions? Both looked idfferent and interesting as hell. The fatcrons looked to be going more for the bulky robot look than the skeleton look, which IMO looks superior. But I'd also love to see someone try to a different kind of dynasty (say Greek, Han, or Persian vs. Egyptian) which would almost require some crazy conversions. The Mantis stuff with winged jump packs also looks awesome, but I am much more willing to sacrifice practical for cool looking-- the setting for any of these games is bizarre anyway, so you might as well ham it up and just do things that are zany. Hell, the other robot conversion you posted looks like a good starting point. I must have broken taste or something.
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An Angry Bug posted:Wow that's complicated. Haven't even painted my first miniature yet, largely because every single time I'm about to start there's apparently some new step with the paint in the bottle not actually being a finished product or the primer not liking the weather or the kits including accessories that the models aren't actually allowed to use. Next I'll have to praise the freaking machine spirit in the brushes before every brush stroke. The barrier to entry in this hobby is really irritating. I wouldn't be too discourage by this. I think those are airbrush suggestions. They end being complicated and technical because airbrushes are complicated and technical. If you're a brush painter (like I am) you just need to get your brush wet with water before you use GW paints, and maybe the Vallejo model line. You have to really work to get the heavy coverage some kids do, which is why it's so crazy that it still happens. Get started and post some stuff and you can probably get some comments for easy improvements. Not using flow control means your highlights will be a bit more obvious and sudden, but honestly for anyone ever moderately above average it isn't important.
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Fatkraken posted:I've never used anything other than water, and while my models aren't competition standard I like to think they're pretty decent. All you need to start painting is the model, some paints, a jar of water and one or two decent brushes, plus something to mix on (I've used everything from an old tile to plastic food container lids) and a bit of tissue to dry your brush on. At this level, I'd even screw decent brushes. I still just use a cheapy brush set from Micheal's ($5 for 4 small sabol brushes- 0, 3/0, 5/0, and 10/0) and while the wear out faster, they're fine for use until they do. Brushes at $5 or more each just aren't worth it if you aren't a painting ninja. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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lilljonas posted:Nopes, the second one (the unit) are Irregular 28mm. The first one is even worse, it's a Tradition of London pre-pained mini, which means 54mm scale! So very flat and ugly IMHO. But there's also insane talent, and some painters can get amazing results with 6mm, 10mm and 15mm. Those are 28mm? Then yeah, that's pretty average to poor. On 15s it's look pretty good, which is part of why I assumed they were that. I also agree on the transfer of GW players helping painting. It also seemed to co-incide with the move towards 25/28mm in historicals (i.e. WAB) at least on the east coast. There are still lots of not great figures in the larger scales, but even just dipping and highlighting can make those figures nice enough looking for the tabletop. quote:But yes, I agree that painting in general has increased enormously since the Internet became a common thing. All these tutorials and forums have spread painting advice (again, it's a skill more than a talent), and the things that was winning Golden Daemons in the very early 90's are more or less table-top quality today. It's amazing. The stuff I started out painting in the 90's would easily qualify for this thread. To me it's rather depressing, since it's basically taken the skill to the point where we have people's first figs getting put online and laughed at. We're saying you have to reach GD levels from the 90s to not be considered deficient, which is still IMO unrealistic. I still am a very basic painter (dipping + 1-2 highlights, some modest conversions. Looks good on the table but photographs horribly) by the standard put out here, but when I go to the FLGS I commonly see almost all the armies having markedly worse painting than this. The internet has expanded the top end of the painting spectrum, but I wouldn't say it's done anything for the bottom. In fact, it's created an "internet male" style of commentary where anythign that's actually average gets an upturned nose. I'm as guilty of this as anyone else, but I'm trying to improve. We need the avaerage player to keep doing his thing, because that's what keeps the hobby afloat.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I did this in the past and still do this. Heck, I just bought one of those $4 packs of brushes you can get in the crafts section of most big retail stores. I do tend to burn thru 'em, but then I just spend another $4 or $5 and get some more. Right up there with the 10 for $2 crappy watercolor brushes I use for dipping. You don't need to feel bad about tossing a brush away after 2 uses when you're not even paying a quarter for one.
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An Angry Bug posted:Somewhere, a Wood Elf sheds a single tear. It's only wasteful if the bristles aren't already as hard as the handle. Dipping ruins brushes quickly, which is why you use the cheapest and shittiest brushes possible. EDIT: I almost want to start up a real noob painting thread, where there's a serious emphasis on feedback and easy ways to improve your painting. Not sure that would go over well, since it's effectively a "hugbox" where you try to get people up to the internet painting par. But when you have a painting thread where you say the minimal supply buy-in is $25 with fairly nice stuff (for a novice) I can't help but think we should do something directly for the "my first marine" crowd. rkajdi fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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ghetto wormhole posted:This isn't true at all. I'm not a very good painter and even I can tell there's a dramatic difference in quality between a W&N 7 series and a cheapo brush. Obviously you don't wanna use an expensive brush for dipping or something that'll wear it out super quickly but it's totally worth getting one or two nice brushes for general painting. They're a lot nicer to use and they'll last forever if you take good care of them. Series 7 is expensive as hell. though. You should be steering starters towards the $1.25 brushes, not the $15+ ones like Series 7. The 7s don't keep you within the lines any better that the 4 for $5 pack brushes do.
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Slimnoid posted:I do think that is a good idea, but I wonder if that won't just be kind of redundant with the Miniature Megathread and/or stepping on its toes. I sort of see the mini megathread as something for people who already know a bit about what they are doing. I think it would be nice to just have something that was a boot camp to get people from "I know nothing" to competent with the least amount of pain possible. The stuff An Angry Bug was saying about the main megathread being a bit overwhelming to people just starting out made a lot of sense to me. The way I see it, having a setup like this: Noob Thread: "What's a mold line" -> Actual Average Main Thread: Actual Average -> Internet Average (i.e. pretty drat good) and beyond Keeps the main thread from being filled up with stuff that experienced painters know (color scheme, partial assembly, ect.) while also helping to remove some of the intimidation that has come with the "internet male"-ification of online painting standards.
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Slimnoid posted:Huh, good point. Yeah, and I'll fully admit to a different and possible selfish goal. I'd rather have a shop full of 4-6/10 painted armies I than against than a few 8-10/10 pieces of internet painting porn while still having to play against bare plastic or 2-3/10 forces. Luckily I have all next week off work, so within a few days I hope to get a starter post done. Hopefully with some pictures for the rkajdi method of getting armies painted quickly and decently (i.e. dip the poo poo out of it and choose a good color scheme)
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ghetto wormhole posted:Eh, nobody in the painting thread is gonna jump on you for not being a good painter or for asking beginner questions. At the very worst you'll have people tell you what you can do to improve. I must've asked a hundred questions when I was starting out and everyone in that thread was super helpful. It's not someone getting jumped on, it's drinking from the firehose. When you're starting out, the best advice isn't all this wet pallet or thinned paint stuff, it's more getting a good color scheme that you can pound out for the 100-200 figures in your army, and getting enough technical know-how to allow for it to look good on the tabletop. I envision the noob thread as a way to get people from zero to competently done army in as short a time with the minimal amount of pain possible. Internet maleification is the idea that there's this rising standard, to the point that you can act like an internet male (i.e. she has a mole, would not date) about figures that would have been fine a few years ago. I remain unconvinced that the actual median of painting has improved much if at all, but the upper end has opened way up, to the point that basic 90s painting is now regarded as too crappy to ever actually use on the table. Net result I've seen is a lot more unpainted armies, and a lot of "Does devlin mud count as a color?" three color tournie armies. To the point that I've been to recent moderately-sized (20-30 person) events where I've done 2nd or 3rd painting with a dipped army. And not because it's great, but because so few people even get to the point of having a fully painted WFB army, much less one that's competently painted (no primer showing)
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HiveCommander posted:That's what we were talking about earlier (the "Ddoes Devlan Mud count as a colour?" crowd). Yeah, the example I was thinking of involved an Illyrian Reaver primed white with some blue and red applied, then covered in Devlan Mud. Exceedingly low effort, but done to let the guy into a 3 colors minimum event. It was pretty sad since the guy spent a decent amount of time getting good with his list, but felt the need to disrespect his opponents like that. Really bad part is with a minimal amount of extra work, his stuff would have gone from crappy to actually passable. Part of what I want to get into is the places were you can cut a few corners and still have a good looking finished product.
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Len posted:http://m.ebay.com/itm/400777744097?nav=SEARCH please tell me that isn't an actual miniature and is instead something the guy modified. It is converted-- It doesn't have the rape tentacle still attached.
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Len posted:Jesus Christ. Is that better or worse? I'd go worse, since there are 2-3 other girls attached to the giant anime rape monster. Kingdom Death is the worst.
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JcDent posted:I believe the technical term is "hotglueing". Naked girl holding the crossbow somehow makes it even worse.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:What's strange is that he actually covered up all the tits and rear end. I guess that would have just been TOO MUCH weird fetish poo poo, gotta have standards. Wait, that isn't just a standard succubus with a preggo belly greenstuffed on? And worse, the original was naked? Why would anyone... 
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Atlas Hugged posted:This guy is way above the three color minimum. loving try hard. It's odd, but I went to an event where somebody's three colors were blue, red, and Devlin Mud wash over white primer. Like not even the least actual bit of effort, and it looked awful. Even more bizarre was the event wasn't required painting or anything. Why ruin your stuff for later if you don't even need to? It's not like you're actually going to get any painting points for that poor of an attempt anyway.
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The same exact army was floating around in WFB for awhile, so it not surprised that it made a jump to KoW. Was and always will be a lovely, low effort attempt at an army.
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Chill la Chill posted:Great painting around the muscles but the painter just did some splotchy teal for verdigris effects on the brass. You can just see a bunch of pooling and its just odd that there's so much effort elsewhere and the painter just seems to have given up at the end. JcDent posted:I posted it for the face and maaaybe the hosed up musculature If we're at the point where we mock people for painting IMO average models decently, we might as well start mocking people for painting whatever GW stuff the internet has decided they hate this week. And if we're at the point where that is bad verdigris, I think this thread has started turning into all the worst stereotypes about internet painting snobbery.
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JcDent posted:While I'm all for proxying and scratchbuilding, sometimes it goes too far. Are you being sarcastic, or are you really actually making GBS threads on this army? Because that's the kind of army that actively promotes hobby activities beyond "buy and assemble figure straight out of the instructions, optionally paint in flat colors". Sometimes I wonder about the people on this thread, since they seem to want to ostracize average paint jobs and in this case an actively well painted and themed army.
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