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Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

I'm rather surprised he was convicted of the attempted murder charges then.

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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Khisanth Magus posted:

I'm rather surprised he was convicted of the attempted murder charges then.
I edited my post to clarify.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

JT Jag posted:

I edited my post to clarify.

Ah, reading your edit I can kind of understand the jury's problem, and that makes them a lot less of racist shitheels.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



I'm not capable of feeling anything but blind rage towards anyone who intentionally uses their vehicle to make more noise pollution but even then I'm still :stare: about that.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Munkeymon posted:

I'm not capable of feeling anything but blind rage towards anyone who intentionally uses their vehicle to make more noise pollution but even then I'm still :stare: about that.
Dunn parked right next to the car Jordan Davis was in. There were other spots open at the gas station. He could have parked further away, but he deliberately parked right next to them in order to engineer a confrontation because he was so angered by that "thug music."

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Barrington, Rhode Island is rewriting its town charter this November.... by putting 39 questions about editing it on the ballot :stare:

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Trabisnikof posted:

Why would they want to marry the hired help?

I dunno about marriage, but I do know racist rednecks have a strange affinity for interracial porn.

Nobody fetishizes black bodies quite as well as weird throwback white-supremacists.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

JT Jag posted:

Dunn parked right next to the car Jordan Davis was in. There were other spots open at the gas station. He could have parked further away, but he deliberately parked right next to them in order to engineer a confrontation because he was so angered by that "thug music."

I think the relevant fact is, it took two trials and two juries to convict him. Sure the first jury agreed that he had committed attempted murder against the other people in the car; but the actual murder... they couldn't agree on that charge. It took two trials and two juries to convict him of murder.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich
Funny sidenote about the Secret Service thing: There's now a Clancy back in the White House who, "has the full confidence of the president and the first lady."

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Oct 1, 2014

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Joementum posted:

Barrington, Rhode Island is rewriting its town charter this November.... by putting 39 questions about editing it on the ballot :stare:



Aw yeah, democracy inaction

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Pohl posted:

I think the relevant fact is, it took two trials and two juries to convict him. Sure the first jury agreed that he had committed attempted murder against the other people in the car; but the actual murder... they couldn't agree on that charge. It took two trials and two juries to convict him of murder.

To be more exact, they couldn't agree he had performed premeditated murder. They agrees he performed intentional murder, but not that it was premeditated. Given the difference in punishment between first degree and second degree murders in Florida I can see why the prosecution was aiming for First Degree, but I'm not sure I can 100% blame the jury for not being able to agree that it was first degree.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I think one thing to keep in mind about the USSS fuckups is that Obama has faced an unprecedented number of threats over the last six years. They've never had to deal with this much concentrated hate before and on this level. Not excusing them but I think it's a factor.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Khisanth Magus posted:

To be more exact, they couldn't agree he had performed premeditated murder. They agrees he performed intentional murder, but not that it was premeditated. Given the difference in punishment between first degree and second degree murders in Florida I can see why the prosecution was aiming for First Degree, but I'm not sure I can 100% blame the jury for not being able to agree that it was first degree.
They actually came out and asked while they were deliberating whether they were allowed to convict Dunn of a lesser charge than first degree murder, which they were told they could not. I suspect they ultimately hung on that charge intentionally and it wasn't a "half are voting guilty and half are voting not and neither side budges" situation because they didn't want to give Dunn a Not Guilty, they just weren't up for convicting him in the first degree.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Khisanth Magus posted:

To be more exact, they couldn't agree he had performed premeditated murder. They agrees he performed intentional murder, but not that it was premeditated. Given the difference in punishment between first degree and second degree murders in Florida I can see why the prosecution was aiming for First Degree, but I'm not sure I can 100% blame the jury for not being able to agree that it was first degree.

Yeah I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to prove intent unless he was stupid enough to admit

JT Jag posted:

He could have parked further away, but he deliberately parked right next to them in order to engineer a confrontation because he was so angered by that "thug music."

on the record. Please tell me he admitted it.

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Munkeymon posted:

Yeah I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to prove intent unless he was stupid enough to admit


on the record. Please tell me he admitted it.
This is a decent article from the original trial, complete with Dunn being on the record as describing the music as "thug music" and "rap crap".

Apparently the jury was allowed to convict of second degree murder, they must have hung when some member(s) refused to budge from first degree.

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
My favorite part was the defense attorney's theory that the teens HAD a shotgun but the police didn't look hard enough for it in the field they escaped to after the shooting. Because of well known police bias for black teens.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump
Apparently that guy who set fire to the FAA radar center and forced thousands of flight cancellations was trying to make some kind of political statement. Not sure even he knows what that statement was supposed to be, though, since he was hella stoned at the time.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Internet Webguy posted:

Slavery? Just people being people.

Ben Carson makes Ruckus from the Boondocks look like MLK jr. It's amazing just how terrible he is and if he woke up with white skin one day it'd probably be the happiest day of his life.

Pohl posted:

^^^ You edited that in, and I'm glad you did. I borrowed the slam-dunk. :hfive:

It's a touchdown spike, not a slam dunk. :eng101:

Fried Chicken posted:

In good news, Michael Dunn was just found guilty of first degree murder for the death of Jordan Davis in his retrial.

For those of you who don't recall, 17 year old Jordan was in the back seat of a SUV that parked next to 45 year old Dunn at a gas station. Dunn ordered the teens to turn their music down, when they didn't Dunn screamed "You can't talk to me like that" and drew a 9mm pistol, firing 10 shots at the SUV as it drove off. 3 struck Davis in the liver and lungs, killing him as he drowned on his own blood. Dunn then resumed waiting for his fiancée to leave the gas station, went back to his hotel room and ordered a pizza. He didn't bother mentioning the incident to anyone until the police tracked him down 2 days later, where he invoked the state's "Stand Your Ground". At trial Dunn contradicted his own testimony and recorded evidence multiple times, and maintained Davis had exited the vehicle and pointed a shotgun at him (contradicted by video and forensic evidence). He was convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder for shooting at the other teens in the car, and had a hung jury on Davis, this indicating that the lesson to take from this was he should have killed all 4 for the crime of being teenagers and then he could have walked.

Despite conviction at retrial, Dunn maintains he is the victim here for defending himself from Davis

I'm so happy to hear this and hope he gets life without parole. gently caress that human garbage.

Pohl posted:

I think the relevant fact is, it took two trials and two juries to convict him. Sure the first jury agreed that he had committed attempted murder against the other people in the car; but the actual murder... they couldn't agree on that charge. It took two trials and two juries to convict him of murder.

It sounds like the first jury believed he was guilty of murder, just up in the air on it being first and they'd have hit him for second. More than likely, 1 or maybe 2 jurors didn't agree with with 1st degree charge because they weren't 100% certain it applied, which you drat well want to be for a charge that serious. I can't imagine lawyers on both sides forgot to mention "this is a first degree murder case" and I think they pretty much always mention if the death penalty is being sought (where applicable) since some people will simply refuse to convict someone and send them to die.

Good Citizen posted:

Apparently that guy who set fire to the FAA radar center and forced thousands of flight cancellations was trying to make some kind of political statement. Not sure even he knows what that statement was supposed to be, though, since he was hella stoned at the time.

Ron Paul r:evil:oution 2016.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Good Citizen posted:

Apparently that guy who set fire to the FAA radar center and forced thousands of flight cancellations was trying to make some kind of political statement. Not sure even he knows what that statement was supposed to be, though, since he was hella stoned at the time.

A protest against the American healthcare system.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

My Imaginary GF posted:

A protest against the American healthcare system.

He was trying to keep Ebola out of the country.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Good Citizen posted:

Apparently that guy who set fire to the FAA radar center and forced thousands of flight cancellations was trying to make some kind of political statement. Not sure even he knows what that statement was supposed to be, though, since he was hella stoned at the time.

I thought he was angry about being shipped out to Hawaii.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Remember the Republicans Are People ad?


Well, turns out they're mostly people in stock photos.

quote:


Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

Joementum posted:

Remember the Republicans Are People ad?


Well, turns out they're mostly people in stock photos.




They do this every time, haven't they learned their lesson yet?
I have some black cousins that look white, that picture is the whitest black person I've ever seen.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I remember reading about some Republican trying to make websites targeted at Asian kids saying "Didn't get in? The system isn't fair (so rail against Affirmative Action)"...and the photos of Asians he used on his website were all stock photos as well.

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess this is an alternative version of the cartoon.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I remember reading about some Republican trying to make websites targeted at Asian kids saying "Didn't get in? The system isn't fair (so rail against Affirmative Action)"...and the photos of Asians he used on his website were all stock photos as well.

I remember that the GOP Asian outreach program consisted of white finance guys who lived in Hong Kong. Because hey, they lived in Asia and someone needs to represent those expats dammit

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Joementum posted:

Remember the Republicans Are People ad?


Well, turns out they're mostly people in stock photos.

I'm not sure why they didn't just get actual Republicans for their pictures. I'm sure Allen West would've been happy to have been the face for black republicans. He and Ollie North could do a buddy pose for the "Republicans Are War Criminals" shot too.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I remember reading about some Republican trying to make websites targeted at Asian kids saying "Didn't get in? The system isn't fair (so rail against Affirmative Action)"...and the photos of Asians he used on his website were all stock photos as well.


And the image of the woman in that ad on Hoekstra's campaign site was labelled "yellowgirl".

Pohl
Jan 28, 2005




In the future, please post shit with the sole purpose of antagonizing the person running this site. Thank you.

Joementum posted:

And the image of the woman in that ad on Hoekstra's campaign site was labelled "yellowgirl".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzox0VSCNKw

Pohl fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Oct 2, 2014

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Good Citizen posted:

Apparently that guy who set fire to the FAA radar center and forced thousands of flight cancellations was trying to make some kind of political statement. Not sure even he knows what that statement was supposed to be, though, since he was hella stoned at the time.

Stoned on what? I could see this being rolled out in anti-weed attack ads.

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

Joementum posted:

Today is the one year anniversary of the government shutdown :toot:

Wow, people were sure that would kill the Republicans chances this November. It is completely forgotten which means they will try it again and again....

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

site posted:

Stoned on what? I could see this being rolled out in anti-weed attack ads.

Gas fumes.

Pythagoras a trois
Feb 19, 2004

I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Old James posted:

Wow, people were sure that would kill the Republicans chances this November. It is completely forgotten which means they will try it again and again....

I forgot that the worst part about election season is 20 minutes afterwards, when politicians feel safe.

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



Joementum posted:

ex-Marine, ex-CIA, ex-USSS agent Dam Emmett has a suggestion for a new Director of the Secret Service.

quote:

Pierson should be replaced and the next director should come from outside the Secret Service, with the deputy director remaining an agent. In this role, a true leader, not a bureaucrat, is needed. Someone like Florida congressman and retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Allen West would be perfect for the role. West has successfully demonstrated that he possesses the leadership skills of a combat officer as well as managerial and diplomatic skills of a congressman, exactly the traits needed in the next director. Highly competent and beholden to no one in the Secret Service, he would be a superb director.



By this logic it's clear who the next director must be. Beholden to no one in the secret service, beholden to no one in the United States of America. Incredible at covert operations and moving undetected. Finally everyone in America believes him to be dead.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you none other than...

Osama bin Laden

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Nate RFB posted:

What is the makeup of the 10th circuit? Would they be expected to strike down the subsidies or not?
To answer my own question, according to Vox the math in the 10th Circuit favors the administration: 7 D appointments, 5 R appoinments. It's sort of sickening that we have to thick of our judges along these lines, but alas. On the other hand a similar lawsuit in the 7th Circuit could force a split.

After that it's up to the magnanimity of John Roberts :suicide:

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Old James posted:

Wow, people were sure that would kill the Republicans chances this November. It is completely forgotten which means they will try it again and again....

Fairly certain we talked about exactly how this situation would happen.

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3669131

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