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i kind of feel like...sometimes i think devops witholds knowledge. like there's a lot i dont know about what goes on in devops, and that's because it's entirely inaccessible to me. often by design. and then i'm an idiot for not like, knowing how to restart something i dont have access to. doesn't seem fair. but devops has full access to all the code we've ver written. there's kind of a power imbalance, imo. if i had to make a comparison, i would say that devops are the jocks, and coders are more of the sensitive intellectual types.
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dev ops are just nerd losers who can't code op
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Sep 4, 2014 03:51
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'wtf poo poo sounds complicated i only know how to code. deployments monitoring backups woah man thats beyond my level'
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Sep 4, 2014 03:53
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AWWNAW posted:dev ops are just nerd losers who can't code op lol
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Sep 4, 2014 04:07
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devops keep developers from being terribler basically. someone's gotta call them out on putting SSNs and poo poo in plaintext logfiles. *looks at a poster itt*
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Sep 4, 2014 04:09
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OP have you ever worked at a place where developers has access to production? I have. I've seen things you wouldn't believe
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Sep 4, 2014 04:11
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let me touch production man don't be jealous cuz you can't code like this code like this
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Sep 4, 2014 04:11
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*opens port 14360 to the world* user: SA pass: pepsi12#
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Sep 4, 2014 04:12
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*literally disables all firewalls on windows production servers*
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PuTTY riot posted:OP have you ever worked at a place where developers has access to production? I have. I've seen things you wouldn't believe we do have access to production lolz but i am agreeing with you i'm not saying we should have access to that stuff just that, when i dont understand how our system works because it's not documented and i dont have access to it you shouldnt act like i'm dumb for not understanding how the system works btw this isnt an issue for me irl it's just an imagined issue.
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Sep 4, 2014 04:14
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dev ops do your job and keep my log files secure
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Sep 4, 2014 04:15
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what is a devops this thread makes no sense to me
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i kind of feel like...sometimes i think devops witholds knowledge. like there's a lot i dont know about what goes on in devops, and that's because it's entirely inaccessible to me. often by design. real devops are actually real developers working on the code that makes Windows Azure the best cloud application platform so that application developers never have to consider where their applications run. but there are also fake devops that string together shell scripts and other garbage to make pretend that they have a stable system for your code to run on. these people are dorks of the highest order.
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kwinkles posted:what is a devops this thread makes no sense to me it's when you are a programmer and you have your penis replaced with a vagina
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Sep 4, 2014 04:16
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haha some dev ops guy asked me once what an executable I sent him was and I just had to say what are you gonna do. not run it? bitch run that poo poo
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AWWNAW posted:haha some dev ops guy asked me once what an executable I sent him was and I just had to say an..exe?
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AWWNAW posted:dev ops do your job and keep my log files secure when I saw said logfiles I told bossman 'I'm not going over you're head but I'm showing this to the security guy right now cause gently caress I didn't want to see that at all and I don't want to be the guy that didn't say anything about it" lol
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Sep 4, 2014 04:22
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seen so many socials I don't know what just another day for me really you jelling?
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also I pushed for only working with redacted poo poo for dev but got told there wasn't time or resources to redact the poo poo
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Sep 4, 2014 04:32
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contrast old company gave presentations to potential customers with real uncensored personal info from other customers lol place I work now just fired a dude for emailing a work document to his personal address
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i guess a lot of my job is "devops" which owns because we have an (awful) it organization that takes care of all the cjing and handholding with email and helpdesk crap so they brought me on to set up some simple vm infrastructure and build automation and poo poo to make developers lives easier thank god it's a tiny team working on terrible software only very few people care about
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developer: cares about writing software and making the software maintainable devops: cares about deploying software and maintaining those deployments it's not hard, op
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PuTTY riot posted:OP have you ever worked at a place where developers has access to production? I have. I've seen things you wouldn't believe lol if you aren't dead enough already inside to not care what happens
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i would think devops is really neat except i have suffered mightily in a company with a really lovely devops manager so it's very triggering for me
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PuTTY riot posted:OP have you ever worked at a place where developers has access to production? I have. I've seen things you wouldn't believe I had access to production and I hosed things up an order of magnitude less than the devops dudes did, but they were bad whilst I was good.
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my favorite devops thing: just deleting stuff to see if we still need it
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Sep 4, 2014 04:47
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by "things" i mean servers and git repos
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rotor posted:developer: cares about writing software and making the software maintainable i understand the difference, i'm wondeinrg which one is better
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Sep 4, 2014 04:48
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i understand the difference, i'm wondeinrg which one is better you may as well ask whether the sun is better than the moon
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rotor posted:you may as well ask whether the sun is better than the moon well i cant look at the sun without going blind so i guess in this metaphor devops is the sun?
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all computermen are hideous, we have already established this many times over
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i was trying to migrate our jira and confluence servers to linux vms and the cjs in it literally yelled at me for not putting antivirus on them they put kaspersky on every windows server on the domain blindly took me a few days to figure out that poo poo selectively suppresses pings from unknown subnets after i had them make me a few new ones
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well, we have a grant 'environment' that i'm supposed to use to provision my box but all the shell scripts fail because they're written in like zsh or something that's not bourne shell and also the repo is down so i just had to install everything manually. so basically i just have an ormal computer that gets shoved through a slower compuer
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yeah linux containment is something i can get behind for sure
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more like quarantine
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rotor posted:by "things" i mean servers and git repos http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/04/12/missing_novell_server_discovered_after/
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PuTTY riot posted:OP have you ever worked at a place where developers has access to production? I have. I've seen things you wouldn't believe that only matters if you're an html "developer" - real developers write software users run on their own systems
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PuTTY riot posted:windows production servers how is this even still a thing? I mean, for people (I use the term loosely) other than shaggar and atwood?
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