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Truga
May 4, 2014
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HoratioRash posted:

Fine. Who am I then? Am I a civilian? a regular serviceman? Russian serviceman? Republican serviceman?

A short derail(?):

Where I'm from, the only kind of resistance against the German army during ww2 were guerilla partisans (because the govt just ran away lmao).

Germans simply called them bandits, because they were not appointed by the govt, and slaughered them whenever they could. Since they weren't recognized as an army, they had no rights captured soldiers would get. They were, as far as the Germans were concerned, the criminals.

Not being classified as an army by your opponent is *worse* for you in every way. There's no geneva convention, there's no "wartime prisoner" bullshit, you're just a problem with a weapon, and get removed in the easiest way possible, and there will be no reprecussion for it, because you're the criminal here.

Your country is using you to further its interests on foreign soil, and giving you nothing in return, if what you are saying is true. Please stop :(

chitoryu12 posted:

"He's a terrorist! He's murdering innocent people! Why is he allowed to speak?"

This was so :ironicat:, I'm still giggling.

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Truga
May 4, 2014
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^^ http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/russia-vetoes-resolution-calling-srebrenica-massacre-32301237

brb, killing all Četniks. It's not genocide anyway. :cripes:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Disco Infiva posted:

Причај бре српски да те цео свет разуме.

Србија до Токија?

But enough about the 3rd Reich.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Warbadger posted:

The Soviets disliked the Nazis, sure, but they apparently disliked the allied powers even more and were willing to help the Nazis destroy and occupy everyone who opposed Nazi Germany in Europe first. A similar relationship to the one they later had with the allies (except now on the defense rather than offense).

I find it really really funny, how both sides didn't want to have a shootout with the Germans, hoping they'd keep away the other side. West hoped the Nazis would rid them of the commie plague, and soviets hoped they'd keep the capitalist pigs out of their doorstep long enough. All the while the bad guy was right there all the time.

Of course soon after, ww2 broke out.

quote:

Right Sector members claimed they carried only hunting weapons, while photos and videos suggest this was not the case. Mikhaylo Lanyo’s armed thugs allegedly present at the base aren’t visible in any videos or photos.

"We only had a bunch of shotguns, they RPG'd themselves, honest!" Jesus Christ, what is wrong with all these people.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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What I'm saying is that the west was really terrified of the encroaching commie "threat", and soviets were really terrified of the capitalist "threat", so they just let the nazis do their thing in the middle a lot longer than they had to.

At least, that's how I understood it. I'm quite possibly entirely wrong.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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This is true. It was a straight up alliance, except for the name. It was really one of the shittiest, if not the shittiest, moves in modern international politics history, from any point of view imaginable.

Then there's the "Hey, we'd like that bit of land there, let's make an agreement about it with our mortal enemies that view our whole ethnic group as slaves, surely they'll keep their promise" idea. There isn't a :cripes: big enough to describe it. Just... how? Why?

Truga
May 4, 2014
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OhYeah posted:

I bit this is something that is really hard for an American or a Canadian to understand: 500 and 1000 year old grudges. :)

I'm ex-yu, and I don't understand any of this poo poo. Some of the idiots here have had grudges since forever. Why can't we just get along? Throw the assholes that deserve it into jail and get on with our lives already, instead of this constant bickering over inconsequential BS nobody sane cares about.

Of course, that unfortunately depends on the legal state actually working, something we still have a long way before it happens :psyduck:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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steinrokkan posted:

This map is wrong, the administrative regions of Trieste, the Istrian March, and the Princely County of Gorizia and Gradisca were never part of the Transleithanien, aka the Lands of the Hungarian Crown. On the other hand, the free port of Rijeka / Fiume was owned by the Hungarian Crown, and is no on the map.

There's actually "Fiume" on the far east, if you can see through the terrible resolution issues.

It's more that the map is really lovely, and also a cut out. The thing is not Istria, but "hungarian land in croatia" I think.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Mokotow posted:

Laibach will play two concerts in Pyongyang, North Korea, the first foreign band in history to pull it off. :suspense:

Uh, yeah, I heard about this a little while ago. It's the best thing.

I wonder if they're going in with their NSK passports? That'd be glorious :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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I guess this is only kinda on topic, but here in Slovenia we have a semi-large faction now being all apologetic about Nazi collaborations during ww2, by saying "but those partisan guys were even worse, look at all the collaborators they executed, they were just defending themselves".

Which is really odd, since anyone still alive is condemning any sort of bullshit and/or extra-judicial killings the commies did during/after the war, but apparently helping the occupier do their genocide thing and flag people you don't like for deporting to Dachau is fair game, if you're defending yourself against "bandits" and commies :shrug:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Baronjutter posted:

It's weird this idea that one side has to be good and one side bad.

Yeah, it's this whole "us" and "them" thing, when it's really just a huge clusterfuck of war criminals all the way down. For added hilarity, purges from both sides only happened during the war, and the great commie purge immediately after the war, here (since yugo commies were slightly less mental than their soviet friends... until the 90s, but I thankfully dodged that bullet by a couple hundred metres), so anyone that had any sort of real say in any of that is dead or at least well over 90, riding wheelchairs and trying to remember their own name.

I wish people would just condemn this poo poo and get on with the actual problems we have, but no, we have to try and rewrite history now so our faction looks better, which is going to take another 10 years of bickering about this crap in the media and doing dumb political manoeuvres around it, while the state keeps sliding into debt.

:thumbsup:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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It's "depleted uranium", so no.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Speaking of Russian propaganda:

Kaspersky faked malware to harm rivals posted:

Kaspersky Lab in 2010 complained openly about copycats, calling for greater respect for intellectual property as data-sharing became more prevalent.

In an effort to prove that other companies were ripping off its work, Kaspersky said it ran an experiment: It created 10 harmless files and told VirusTotal that it regarded them as malicious. VirusTotal aggregates information on suspicious files and shares them with security companies.

Within a week and a half, all 10 files were declared dangerous by as many as 14 security companies that had blindly followed Kaspersky's lead, according to a media presentation given by senior Kaspersky analyst Magnus Kalkuhl in Moscow in January 2010.

When Kaspersky's complaints did not lead to significant change, the former employees said, it stepped up the sabotage.
This is just precious :allears:

"Russian AV is the best, look at all those false positives those suckers are getting!"

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Looks like he's one of those guys who thinks if he found something, he's entitled to it forever, and people ripping his work off without telling him are "stealing." As opposed to, you know, keeping their AV software up to date with publicly available data, which is a good thing.

quote:

"Eugene considered this stealing," said one of the former employees.

Kaspersky is one of the best security company out there, and they really didn't need to pull this kind of poo poo to stay relevant. And this is the kind of poo poo that sours people up real quick, so I guess they'll be history soon, if they can't wiggle themselves out of this mess.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:

Russia had plans to annex Crimea far before Yanukovych fled.

cloudchamber posted:

Russia took this as being an American intervention and you know the rest.

In before Putin did Maidan.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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sparatuvs posted:

Russian forces injured.

This is just too good now. Someone please photoshop Putin's head onto Baghdad Bob. "Nope, no Russians in Ukraine."

Truga
May 4, 2014
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my dad posted:

O, naješće se oni prava slovenska kurca.

:allears:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Doctor Malaver posted:

Does anyone here follow Slovenian media?

There's a "big DEFEND OUR BORDERS protest rally" against "invasion into Europe, and especially Slovenia, that's happening right now" scheduled next Friday in Ljubljana: https://www.facebook.com/events/521386391353613/

I have no idea what these people planned to achieve, but since yesterday's news, it looks like it'll be a week too late. :laugh:
e: I'm probably going to attend with a huge "Chordates raus!!!" sign

As for the Croatian border, right now the only official comment is "there's gonna be extra police stationed on the border, and they'll be refusing entry to people without proper papers".

Truga fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 17, 2015

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Doctor Malaver posted:

Chordates (/ˈkɔrdeɪts/) are animals possessing a notochord, a hollow dorsal nerve cord, pharyngeal slits, an endostyle, and a post-anal tail for at least some period of their life cycles.

:confused:

Invertebrates were here first :colbert:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Tesseraction posted:

One of our British comedians did a bit on this over Bulgarian migrants. Some British political references but a good pisstake of this mindset.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23yv5y_stewart-lee-on-immigration-paul-nuttall-and-ukip_fun

That one was blocked for me and this isn't. It's really the best.


e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwL8_d3RUiQ
This is really funny.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Ljubljana's mayor said yesterday (or maybe the day before) "Right, we're ready for this, we have space for 190 refugees ready in here". :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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sparatuvs posted:

Ljubljana's mayor is awesome. He made the old downtown area cars free and added free golf carts.

His mayor saga is quite the story.

He's being accused of being a corrupt fucker by just about everyone in the country. He got elected into parliament at one point, leaving his mayor post behind. He got elected mayor *again* on the election to replace his recently vacant spot (:lol:), because he couldn't become the prime minister (which isn't a bad thing, IMO he wouldn't have made a good PM), and when the mayor elections are up again, he'll probably win, as long as he's running.

People from other towns wonder what the poo poo is wrong with people here, why do they keep voting for the corrupt guy, but it's really simple. The previous 4 mayors spent the budget and then decided to go into debt some at about the rate he did, but had almost nothing to show for it. This guy managed to do more in his first term than the previous mayors did since the country went independent, this despite his budget being cut by 50% for a year due to having an unfavourable coalition in the parliament. At this point, the town is net profitable for the first time in modern history, finally shrinking its debts, too.

His "trick" is really bloody simple, too. He doesn't do all that much, but what he does well is getting the best people he can for the jobs that need doing, instead of hiring his family and friends for literally everything, which is what usually happens around here (instead he supposedly funnels cash through subcontractors into his own companies).

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Some people online in Slovenia are really loud about this new ~arab invasion~, and it's making me worried. For now, nobody seems to be taking these nutcases seriously, but...



vvvv: Yes, people here are really goddamn dumb.

Truga fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 23, 2015

Truga
May 4, 2014
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quote:

Sa druge strane, Evropska Unija, koja se od početka pritajenim negodovanjem i mrmljanjem sebi u bradu oštro protivi ovakvoj politici Mađarske, je najavila kazne za ovu srednjeevropsku državu „u visini od 100, 150 evra,“ kao i oduzimanjem jednog ručka za mađarskog poslanika u Evropskom parlamentu u Briselu.

– Fašizam nije u skladu sa civilizacijskim vrednostima Evropske Unije, i što je još gore, nije u skladu sa članom 5 stav II Zakona o slobodnom kretanju stvari i predmeta iz 2011. godine, naveo je izvor iz Brisela.

:allears:

This is all gold. All of it.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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pointsofdata posted:

Are the "neo-nazi" groups in Ukraine actually pro Nazi, or just really right wing? My understanding is that the Nazi's plan was to starve almost the entire population of Ukraine which you'd think would make them pretty unpopular.

"National Socialism" is an ideology where you put the good of your countrymen above that of everyone else. German Nazis aren't the only Nazis.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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I should also point out that "countrymen" can be a super arbitrary definition, like "Aryan", or in the case of the current refugee crisis ~European culture~. Nazis will always find someone to "protect".

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Engrish definitely isn't unknown to Slavs :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/laibach-to-sue-croatian-party-for-copy-rights-10-16-2015

Laibach delivering. :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Some more funny news from a small and stupid Slav country!

People in Slovenia are pissed about this whole refugee thing. Like, really really pissed. There's people going "We should restart Auschwitz and send these people there... and quick!". So this random person started a tumblr: http://zlovenija.tumblr.com/ It contains some nice facebook photos of people smiling/with their friends/family etc, coupled with their public facebook comments.

Following that, as of yet anonymous person started printing these out and posting them around towns:


So now we have pictures of people smiling at you from lamp posts and public poster spaces, along with their :gas: refugees comments. It's wonderful.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Pierogi posted:

When I visited Kobarid i especially appreciated the nice state in which you keep the local monumental/brutalist/fascist church&cemetery built to Benito's specs.

Ok short story time about an expat from I wanna say some 4-5 years ago.

He was back from the US, visiting friends&family, short holiday, that kind of poo poo. He lands at the airport, starts his car trip towards the capital, sees a new path and a conspicuous new thingy some 50m off the road that definitely wasn't there 2-3 years ago during his last visit. Decides to take a look.

Stops his car next to what appears to be a monument of some sorts. Looks fairly well built, probably expensive. He gets out, starts reading. The monument says, and I quote, "Dedicated to all those, who fell defending their country, religion, homes against the partisan threat," and then some other religious/patriotic bullshit I'll probably never remember.

Now, the only country that ever had to be defended against the partisan threat around here was the 3rd Reich, so I can understand how confused he was! After it was explained that that's the kind of poo poo we do in this country now, thanks to a growing revisionist faction, he was pretty pissed. It really says something about this lovely country when the first thing you stumble upon while driving from the airport to the capital town is a brand spankin new monument to Nazi collaborators. I don't think he's ever coming back again :v:

kalstrams posted:

Is Slovenia Zlovenia in Slovenian or may this be a word play around (hopefully similar to Russian "zlo") word "evil"?

It's the latter, yeah.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Pizdec posted:

What does this say?

"Naj jih pustijo , da se pokoljejo med seboj, saj prej tako nebo miru..... drugega tako niso vajeni. če nimajo diktature so kot brezglave kokoši...."
"Let them slaughter each other, there'll be no peace before that. They're not used to anything else, they're like headless chickens without a dictatorship."

In other news, today a member of the "Slovenian Democratic Party" and ex minister of education twitted a pic of himself next to this picture, saying "Je suis Vesna Krejan".

Truga
May 4, 2014
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quote:

“Gay aktivisti napali hrvatsku Wikipediju!”, tako da su partizani dobili nove suborce.
:agreed:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Leaving this here without further comment :v:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Today was a great day for Slovenia! Several years ago, the constitutional court figured out that since our constitution says laws shouldn't discriminate based race, status, gender, yadayada, the marriage law having the words "man and woman" in it is unconstitutional. The law was to be unchanged, except for "man and woman" changed to "two persons".

Today, we, again (there was a valiantly thwarted attempt to fix this back in 2012!) had a referendum, where people decided it's not okay to change this, because if it changes, those loving faggots will steal and adopt all our children, which has been the gay lobby agenda for a long time now.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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They can. This whole thing is a complete technicality, and the only thing it'd do is help people who already live together anyway (i.e. you can't see someone in hospital if you're not family, which two men/women can't be right now), and adoption has nothing to do with anything, except demagogy.

Truga
May 4, 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opE9QnzXmp8
:3:

Truga
May 4, 2014
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Since he invoked Napoleon, when is he invading Russia? Or are we getting a :godwin: first?

Truga
May 4, 2014
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anilEhilated posted:

Duh. When has Russia last attacked someone capable of fighting back?

When has anyone? Let's be honest here, has there ever been a war where the party starting it didn't think they'd win quickly and easily? Usually things don't go as planned, but not even insane people go into a war knowing it'll take a long time.

If anything, it just shows Russia stepped up their intelligence game a bit since the Afghanistan camping trip :v:

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Truga
May 4, 2014
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Eastern Europe: You'll end up like Hitler

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