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Tuxedo Jack posted:The West Wing is absolute tops. I rank it over the Wire and the Sopranos (the latter of the two never really did it for me anyway).
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What I like about the West Wing is trying to deduce Sorkin's position. Because he hates people that are on his right AND his left at the same time.
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Dec 17, 2014 15:14
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Kameh posted:Sell me on the West Wing, Lyman. Is it on Netflix? I enjoyed the first two seasons of The Newsroom, but everything except for the Neal storyline in the last season fell flat to me. And yes, it's on Netflix. I'm thinking 2 episodes at a time per week would be a good schedule. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 15:59
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LordPants posted:What I like about the West Wing is trying to deduce Sorkin's position. Because he hates people that are on his right AND his left at the same time. It's pretty easy to deduce? He lives in this fantasy world where people who hold ideological beliefs are Unreasonable, and that all of our problems could be solved if Wise Men Of Good Faith just sat down together and hashed things out. See: Fantasy Republican Candidate, The Supremes, that time they fixed Social Security in an afternoon
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Pinterest Mom posted:It's pretty easy to deduce? He lives in this fantasy world where people who hold ideological beliefs are Unreasonable, and that all of our problems could be solved if Wise Men Of Good Faith just sat down together and hashed things out. Didn't every single one of those events happen after he left the show and ceased being in any way involved with it
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Those On My Left posted:Didn't every single one of those events happen after he left the show and ceased being in any way involved with it Yes. The politics of the show when he was the show runner was way far to the left, compared to where it ended up after he stepped down. See: West Wing's views on charter schools pre and post Sorkin departure.
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Dec 17, 2014 18:29
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Gonna have to agree that West Wing is better than the wire. If only because the fans are better.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:11
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Kameh posted:Sell me on the West Wing, Lyman. Is it on Netflix? I enjoyed the first two seasons of The Newsroom, but everything except for the Neal storyline in the last season fell flat to me. I'll just post this as it's the opening of Season 2 and as someone else said, you can skip straight to season 2 (but if its your first watch, still go through Season 1). This is just an example of The West Wing near its best and will whet your appetite for the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWy4P5uXqgE
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Thwomp posted:I'll just post this as it's the opening of Season 2 and as someone else said, you can skip straight to season 2 (but if its your first watch, still go through Season 1). This is just an example of The West Wing near its best and will whet your appetite for the show: Skipping season 1 is asinine. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Dec 17, 2014 19:32
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JohnSherman posted:Excuse me, she was a call girl, and it was an accident. And she was just doing it to put herself through med school so she could run a hospital in Princeton.
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Dec 17, 2014 19:47
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Josh Lyman posted:SPOILERS YOU JERK!!! It's not spoilers if its all setup, even still setting up from the Season 1 finale. In fact, it doesn't even reveal the biggest thing that happened you got shot. Anyway, I'd skip season 1 but I've watched the series before. The stuff with Mandy is tedious if you know her character gets dropped by Season 2.
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Thwomp posted:It's not spoilers if its all setup, even still setting up from the Season 1 finale. In fact, it doesn't even reveal the biggest thing that happened you got shot. Reasons to skip season 1 -Mandy Alternatively, just watch it and FF any scene she's in, literally nothing she does matters.
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Dec 17, 2014 22:22
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pentyne posted:Reasons to skip season 1 Counterpoint: $2 banjo. (It's still not worth it.)
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Mandy was my favourite character when I watched West Wing, and I was devastated when she vanished into a black hole for s2. 
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pentyne posted:Reasons to skip season 1 Reasons not to skip season 1: Martin Sheen The Crackpots and these Women In Excelsis Deo Joey Lucas A Proportional Response Take This Sabbath Day What Kind of Day Has it Been It's a great season of a great show. Why the hell do you all feel the need to min-max your TV habit?
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Waltzing Along posted:Gonna have to agree that West Wing is better than the wire. If only because the fans are better. Racist!
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Nevvy Z posted:Racist! What does racism have to do with it?
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JohnSherman posted:
I enjoy s1 the least so i don't watch it sorru you like it more and as a result somehow cant understand why i dont.
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Dec 17, 2014 23:56
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Fetus Tree posted:I enjoy s1 the least so i don't watch it sorru you like it more and as a result somehow cant understand why i dont. There's a difference between not recommending a show, and recommending a show but telling someone to skip the introductory season. The first one makes sense, the latter is dumb as gently caress.
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JohnSherman posted:There's a difference between not recommending a show, and recommending a show but telling someone to skip the introductory season. The first one makes sense, the latter is dumb as gently caress. Unless it's Parks n Rec.
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Dec 18, 2014 00:06
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He doesn't tell him to skip it. He says if he was rewatching it again he would skip it because he also doesnt enjoy it as much. Sorry you don't like that people dont think its worth watching s1 on a rewatch, but i dont see people saying to skip it to any first timers.
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Dec 18, 2014 00:07
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There were around 26 episodes of the newsroom which is about as long as the first season of WW so I say skip all of the newsroom and watch WW instead.
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Fetus Tree posted:West Wing owns. Even if i do usually skip to s2 on rewatches. Season 2 is amazing, what's wrong with you? Thwomp posted:I'll just post this as it's the opening of Season 2 and as someone else said, you can skip straight to season 2 (but if its your first watch, still go through Season 1). This is just an example of The West Wing near its best and will whet your appetite for the show: Season 1 is amazing, what's wrong with you? And yes, that video is absolutely spoilers for the end of season 1, especially when you are speaking specifically to someone who hasn't watched the show yet. It doesn't tell you exactly what happened, but it tells you more than you should know going into the finale. I can't see why you would post that. The West Wing is my favorite show of all time. At least the first 4 seasons. The last 3 seasons are still quite good, just not my favorite show anymore. I would listen to that podcast. Josh Lyman, if you do it, please post it in the West Wing thread.
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thrawn527 posted:Season 2 is amazing, what's wrong with you? They're saying the skip TO season 2
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Max posted:They're saying the skip TO season 2 Oh, ha, I read that one as skip season 2. My mistake. But still, don't do that.
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Why would you ever skip season 1 on your first viewing (even on a rewatch I dont understand it). The pilot is one of the best pilot episodes for any show I have watched - ever. Beside the Mandy scenes, I can not think of a single thing in the first season that is not atleast enjoyable, if not great. If you want to skip the season on a rewatch because you dont need to be introduced to the characters/their relationships thats fine, but for a first timer it's mandatory. If you want to skip something, skip season 7 which is a bit of a drag, but on the other hand it has Jimmy Smits.
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Oh my god that garage band scene was the most unintentionally cringe worthy thing I've seen on tv in a loooooooong time. Anyone who decides to watch The West Wing and skips the first season is a big huge dummy and deserves to be hit.
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Lot of people going on about skipping season one when it was never suggested that a first timer do so.
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This S1 v S2 debate and misunderstanding reminds me of The Newsroom.
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Because the debate, like The Newsroom, sucks?
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Newsroom and WW have the same problem - the characters are loathsome pseudo-humans who are only really happy when they're mocking epsilon semi-morons at 5x speed. Even sex pales in comparison to clowning on the inferior shitpeople and jerking each other off about it. These characters hate almost everyone who really exists in America - it's depressing to watch. Real exception in Newsroom was Leona, as she appeared to have motivations beyond "feeling smarter than other people". And I have to give credit to the writing that she's the one to actually pull off something clever in the last episode. No Wave fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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No Wave posted:Newsroom and WW have the same problem - the characters are loathsome pseudo-humans who are only really happy when they're mocking epsilon semi-morons at 5x speed. Even sex pales in comparison to clowning on the inferior shitpeople and jerking each other off about it. These characters hate almost everyone who really exists in America - it's depressing to watch. It's pretty telling that within the first episode the direction and cast radically changed because of the immediate criticism. Martin Sheen was brought in as major cast rather then the original plan to keep the President as a minor character and a few episodes later Charlie was hired because someone pointed out how hosed up it was to run a show focusing on the white house and not have a single person of color in the cast. Sorkin obviously bowed to pressure back then, but 15 years later he's so full of spite and hatred for the modern internet that it just seeps out of every pore and infects everything he touches.
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pentyne posted:It's pretty telling that within the first episode the direction and cast radically changed because of the immediate criticism. Martin Sheen was brought in as major cast rather then the original plan to keep the President as a minor character and a few episodes later Charlie was hired because someone pointed out how hosed up it was to run a show focusing on the white house and not have a single person of color in the cast. Charlie was planned from the very beginning, Sorkin just didn't feel his intro fit in the first two episodes. I love the wild rear end assumptions people make when they can't rationalize how someone could make something they like, and something they didn't.
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JohnSherman posted:Charlie was planned from the very beginning, Sorkin just didn't feel his intro fit in the first two episodes. This isn't even inside baseball. Both these things are well known.
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JohnSherman posted:Charlie was planned from the very beginning, Sorkin just didn't feel his intro fit in the first two episodes. Well, yes and no. The character was planned but he was introduced as he is after I think they didn't go with CCH Pounder for CJ and the cast was subsequently all Caucasian. double edit: If you look around the internet there's a whole bunch of stuff about NAACP telling them to sort out their casting and thus adding charlie in as he is. edit: if you want to bitch about the West Wing, you should focus more on the Gender Roles and the terrible treatment of women in the show. I mean the West Wing is amazing but it is terribly dated and in hindsight a bit embarrasing in terms of gender politics  I love the hell out of that show so much despite its flaws.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:35
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I really dont care if a show has hosed up poo poo with gender. That mirrors the real world. Just ask all the past female presidents or VPs, theyll back me up.
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What makes a WW/Newsroom character more excited: 1.) Pulling off a massive success at their job 2.) A fantastic blowjob 3.) Raising family and preparing the way for the next generation 4.) Making the world somehow better through one's efforts 5.) Reciting factoids really fast at a simpleton
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Its reciting really fast factoids at the hooker thats blowing you.
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Fetus Tree posted:I really dont care if a show has hosed up poo poo with gender. That mirrors the real world. Just ask all the past female presidents or VPs, theyll back me up. My favorite line so far "You know i'd be hitting on you if it weren't for the burning churches, right?"
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