darealkooky posted:

bayonetta isn't nearly as good as a game that combines viewtiful joe and dmc should be, and has way too many flat out retarded elements

matrix ripoff posted:

you're bagging on a japanese game for having "too many retarded elements"

Doctor Goat posted:

there aren't any fatal flaws, bayonetta is one of the best games ever

conceitedguy posted:

i don't think the space harrier segment or the motor cycle part are really Fatal Flaws of the game tho.

Silver Striker posted:

Dante is extremely cool and I really hope we get a proper DMC5 someday. I think the team that made DMC4 is working on Dragon's Dogma 2, so it's unlikely that will happen. Also apparently DmC didn't sell very well so Capcom will probably just kill the franchise off.

Silver Striker posted:

I remember reading about DmC and it's development. Apparently, Ninja Theory's early stuff was a lot more reminiscent of DMC1-4, but Capcom pushed them to piss off fans and other weird poo poo. It just sounded extremely retarded. So while I don't think Ninja Theory made a good DMC game, it's clear that Capcom is to blame as well.

Silver Striker posted:

I remember reading about DmC and it's development. Apparently, Ninja Theory's early stuff was a lot more reminiscent of DMC1-4, but Capcom pushed them to piss off fans and other weird poo poo. It just sounded extremely retarded. So while I don't think Ninja Theory made a good DMC game, it's clear that Capcom is to blame as well.

Beef Waifu posted:

actually capcom didn't really tell them to do any of that, the development of ninja theory kept furthering to the point where capcom had to send actual members of the old dmc team and itsuno to supervise their work and make the game into what it ended up becoming. according to one of the team members, ninja theory would just have weapons on enemies bodies for no reason and they were so perplexed when they saw that.

Interview with Alex Garland, writer of Enslaved posted:

Movie writers supposedly have a hard time dealing with game scripts, some providing movie scripts which have to be modified. What was your impression of Tameem’s script for Enslaved?

I think that’s a fair comment about movie writers and game scripts. It was certainly true of me. As for Tameem’s script, it was structurally all there. He’s a gifted and imaginative storyteller, and would work very naturally in the film world. I sort of hope he tries it someday, but in another way I don’t think he should, because there may be more interesting things to achieve in the games world.

I guess if I were to make a criticism it would relate to character and consistency. Making sure characters are true to themselves, and true to some kind of larger truth, which relates to the recipients of the narrative. That is to say, the player. Us. For example, I think the first serious discussion we had about the narrative was on the very first day that I, Tameem and the level designers all sat down together. We got to a section where Monkey was walking down a walkway, and he sees an escaping slave trying to pull himself up to the walkway. And instead of helping the guy up, Monkey kicked him in the face and sent him to his death. They thought that projected the idea that Monkey was a badass. Whereas, to me, it projected the idea that Monkey was a bit of a oval office.

I think that highlighted a difference in our approach to character. This is a generalisation, and I know there are plenty of exceptions to the rule, but game design has a tendency to be fast and loose with character, whereas in film and books, character is handled with kid gloves. Ultimately, if you want to be serious about narrative, you have to be serious about character too.

Lumpy the Cook posted:

Beef Waifu posted:

for every nevan, agni & rudra, & vergil there is a loving leviathan, geryon, and arkham waiting in the shadows. the sheer volume of dmc3's bosses are the reason why i like dmc4 bosses more because they are more focused and have more to them than their one trick. each boss had a myriad of moves and you can fight them in a multitude of different ways even with just nero, that's not mentioning dante either

Doctor Goat posted:

when i used to not like dmc style games it was because i just did the most effective thing over and over

don't do boring poo poo like that, just have a crazy good time and do the flashiest stuff you can while still being effective

Beef Waifu posted:

oh god i just remembered doppelganger, what a lovely boss fight, probably the second worst in that game only beaten by arkham

darealkooky posted:

leviathan is basically not even a boss because you can destroy his rear end so quickly, geryon is cool because it's what all the boss fights in dmc2 wanted to be (a gun battle) only it's engaging because you need to constantly avoid projectiles/time bubbles and you can loop him to death if you aren't a fan of that kinda thing, arkham is garbage I agree but it has a lot of really awesome cutscenes where dante and vergil bro out so I can't hate it.

I never really felt like the main three bosses in dmc4 had that much depth to them. berial charges at you, swings at you and makes fire pillars. snake lady charges at you, swings at you, makes useless minions and shoots at you, dagon charges at you, jumps on you and shoots ice. all three of them also have really annoying god of war poo poo where you have to just stand there and watch them do something instead of trying to fight them (which is something all of the giant boses in dmc3 don't do, even levianthan can be shot at while he's in the tunnels).