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Vriess posted:22 November. Been out a year. This was all over carpets or something if I remember? gently caress that guy.
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KetTarma posted:We have a PRIDE STORE where you can spend cash or company scrip. I was interviewing at a large company in the DFW area here and they had some people from the tech group take two of us around to see the data center and other stuff afterward. When they said, "the company story is next to the cafeteria," I might have not stifled the laugh thinking of paying with script for polos and lanyards.
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Nick Soapdish posted:I was interviewing at a large company in the DFW area here and they had some people from the tech group take two of us around to see the data center and other stuff afterward. When they said, "the company story is next to the cafeteria," I might have not stifled the laugh thinking of paying with script for polos and lanyards. In all fairness, our cafeterias are all pretty good. We have a cafe, standard cafeteria area, and a food court setup with 6 different themes stations. Kind of rocks.
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Pandasmores posted:I guess I just bought into their whole Honor Courage and Commitment bullshit, and the fact that they are always spouting poo poo that is pretty much propaganda is another thing I hate. A civilian job is just a job, if a coworker on the outside tried to sell working in a lab or working on a patient ward as a lifestyle I'd just push them away. But when it comes to something like the Navy, the job can really be a lifestyle if you want it to be. You've never worked in the private sector at all have you? This isn't even remotely true. MANY business go out of their way to foster a sense of culture/loyalty/comradarie amongst its employees - it has actually been proven to increase productivity so that people aren't just showing up, doing the bare minimum, and giving no fucks about anybody else. That's not to say that that still doesn't happen, but it's not as prevalent.
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keep in mind that the previous two poster/genius/experts about everything have like two internships between them in the corporate world, like, total heh Pandasmores posted:I guess I just bought into their whole Honor Courage and Commitment bullshit, and the fact that they are always spouting poo poo that is pretty much propaganda is another thing I hate. A civilian job is just a job, if a coworker on the outside tried to sell working in a lab or working on a patient ward as a lifestyle I'd just push them away. But when it comes to something like the Navy, the job can really be a lifestyle if you want it to be. some companies actually emphasize having a personal life away from the job, it definitely helps to keep people around 
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justice4trayvawn posted:keep in mind that the previous two poster/genius/experts about everything have like two internships between them in the corporate world, like, total No you see every morning we salute capitalism at full erection staring longingly into each others eyes for our brothers warmth
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SquirrelyPSU posted:No you see every morning we salute capitalism at full erection staring longingly into each others eyes for our brothers warmth I have my Company Creed memorized and salute the raising of the corporate flag at 8am sharp hooah and of course the best part about civilian employment.....you can quit if it sucks and look for something better
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I did work for some places with stuff like that, but it wasn't a matter of losing individuality from it. It's not accompanied by a lot of the bullshit you're expected to do because of your placement, and if someone under you fucks up then the hammer comes down. In a regular job your underling fucks up and you don't have to stand by them. Some kid under me doesn't pass the PRT or fails room inspections or gets some hambeast out in town pregnant there is the possibility of an inflated sense responsibility as a supervisor to do something.
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Pandasmores posted:I did work for some places with stuff like that, but it wasn't a matter of losing individuality from it. It's not accompanied by a lot of the bullshit you're expected to do because of your placement, and if someone under you fucks up then the hammer comes down. In a regular job your underling fucks up and you don't have to stand by them. Some kid under me doesn't pass the PRT or fails room inspections or gets some hambeast out in town pregnant there is the possibility of an inflated sense responsibility as a supervisor to do something. I agree, gently caress taking care of your shipmates. Honor, Courage, Commitment edit: fwiw I agree that it sucks but for reasons far dumber than taking an interest in the well-being of your coworkers MancXVI fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Pandasmores posted:I did work for some places with stuff like that, but it wasn't a matter of losing individuality from it. It's not accompanied by a lot of the bullshit you're expected to do because of your placement, and if someone under you fucks up then the hammer comes down. In a regular job your underling fucks up and you don't have to stand by them. Some kid under me doesn't pass the PRT or fails room inspections or gets some hambeast out in town pregnant there is the possibility of an inflated sense responsibility as a supervisor to do something. It's because we (as in the military) are supposed to be able to die together. It doesn't translate as well to a shore command/non combat zone, but then again who knows, maybe crazy civilian contractor is going to want to shoot up the Navy yard again. There's some baseline responsibility in there, even if it's just a tiny bit more than you'd have with a typical co-worker at the home depot.
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Laranzu posted:This was all over carpets or something if I remember? gently caress that guy. Yeah. Funny thing, the carpet got thrown out of the court, as did any leverage in breaking the lease. The only thing I was held liable for was like, tiling in the bathroom. gonna take a while to pay off these attorney fees though.
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Hey remember when three star deputy STRATCOM admiral Giardina got fired for making fake casino chips? Full report is hitting the news. I'd like to call attention to a couple things quote:The state investigator's report also said a review of surveillance footage revealed "odd behaviors" by Giardina at the Horseshoe. So nuke admirals are even weirder than lower rank nukes. Good to know. quote:The Navy chose not to pursue a court martial because they were uncertain they could get a conviction with the evidence they had, officials said. Which of course means that the guy is going to continue to make $200,000 a year as someone's coffee maker and powerpoint ranger in the Pentagon before he retires to a cushy job and full pension. The system works! (hang all flag officers)
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Pandasmores you seem like a dude I probably would have liked working with at the hospital. I did the same thing with tanking the test repeatedly in order to stay a third class - I didn't have an NEC and I just wanted to stay in the ER/ICU, because that's what I'm planning on spending my life doing. Turned out well for me in the end, because the doctors I worked with (who were all just counting down the days until they got out) all thought I was hot poo poo and wrote me kickin' rad recommendations for school, and when I put up on Facebook that I was going to have a 6 month gap between the end of my pre-req courses and the start of medical school I got an immediate and unsolicited job offer from a former supervising physician/MO who just opened his own urgent care. There's no reason to argue with people who have never worked in Navy medicine, because they don't know any more about what your life or command is like at your workplace than we do about theirs, and trying to explain it doesn't work. Just ride out your time and then decide what you want to do next. If you want to be an E4, be an E4 - the military is the only organization stupid enough to have some who loves their job, is good at it, and just wants to stay doing it and not get promoted or anything, and be mad about that. There's nothing wrong with looking at the life of someone who gets paid a little more to put up with a lot more bullshit and thinking "nope, not for me."
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TheQuietWilds posted:Pandasmores you seem like a dude I probably would have liked working with at the hospital. I did the same thing with tanking the test repeatedly in order to stay a third class - I didn't have an NEC and I just wanted to stay in the ER/ICU, because that's what I'm planning on spending my life doing. Turned out well for me in the end, because the doctors I worked with (who were all just counting down the days until they got out) all thought I was hot poo poo and wrote me kickin' rad recommendations for school, and when I put up on Facebook that I was going to have a 6 month gap between the end of my pre-req courses and the start of medical school I got an immediate and unsolicited job offer from a former supervising physician/MO who just opened his own urgent care. There's no reason to argue with people who have never worked in Navy medicine, because they don't know any more about what your life or command is like at your workplace than we do about theirs, and trying to explain it doesn't work. Just ride out your time and then decide what you want to do next. If you want to be an E4, be an E4 - the military is the only organization stupid enough to have some who loves their job, is good at it, and just wants to stay doing it and not get promoted or anything, and be mad about that. There's nothing wrong with looking at the life of someone who gets paid a little more to put up with a lot more bullshit and thinking "nope, not for me."- This bad advice. Navy medicine is not some special snowflake unique place where all the bs is somehow different than the bs in the rest of the Navy. If you deliberately tank a rating exam, you are literally throwing money away. I'm an O4 over 16 and if you told me I could take a test where they told me exactly what I needed to study and if I did well my base pay might increase by 200-300 dollars per month I'd be all over it.
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vulturesrow posted:This bad advice. Navy medicine is not some special snowflake unique place where all the bs is somehow different than the bs in the rest of the Navy. If you deliberately tank a rating exam, you are literally throwing money away. I'm an O4 over 16 and if you told me I could take a test where they told me exactly what I needed to study and if I did well my base pay might increase by 200-300 dollars per month I'd be all over it. You are literally throwing money away by not being an investment banker
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No, you're not, and that's a stupid argument. The presumption of opportunity cost means you had that option to begin with. Panda, say what you want, but I suspect there will be a time years from now where you'll look back and think how stupid and immature your reasoning was.
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Boon posted:No, you're not, and that's a stupid argument. The presumption of opportunity cost means you had that option to begin with. My point is that you're not throwing money away by choosing not to advance. It seems like he's making a decently well thought out decision based on factors beyond "I like money." The farther from the Navy I get, the happier I am with how I played it (more or less exactly the same as him). Sometimes more money isn't worth it - if you have enough to live how you want to live and do what you want to do, why should you sacrifice quality of life in other ways for more?
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I don't loving get how, in an organization the pretty much treats all E-5 and below the same, spending 4 to 5 years as an E loving 3 is a good idea? I mean, if you can't even muster the will power to try to advance, why the gently caress even bother joining the Navy? Why not just get a job at McDonalds or Wally World? I'm pretty sure you would take home a little more money that way, and living at home would beat the poo poo out of living in some garbage rear end barracks in the middle of the desert, or am I missing something? OH NO!!!!!! THE RESPONSIBILITY MONSTER IS GONNA GET ME!!!!!!!! WHAT DO I DO???????
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TheQuietWilds posted:You are literally throwing money away by not being an investment banker Boon already explained why this is a terrible comparison but let me lay it out a little more for you. Regardless of what you think, there is almost no chance I can get a job where I make more money starting off than I am right now when you factor in the associated benefits. I'd be lucky to get somewhat close. By the time I even had the option to get out I was already halfway to retirement, we were in a bad economy, and I have a family to take care of. Granted, I enjoy my job but that is besides the point because even if I had hated it I would've sucked it up and kept plugging along. Pandas' life is not going to suddenly become orders of magnitude more difficult because he becomes a Petty Officer and suddenly has a few more responsibilities in his life. Obviously the considerations change when you are looking at getting out vice staying in and I'm a big believer that for most enlisted guys, getting out is the right thing to do. But that isn't what we are talking about here. We are talking about him being able to make himself a little more financially secure when he makes that jump which is pretty drat important. Not trying to make rate for the reasons Pandas laid is not an adult decision. And to be clear, I'm not making GBS threads on him for no reason. I like him and he seems like a good dude and I (and everyone else) am trying to help him see the flaws in his reasoning. You have whole bunch of guys here with differing backgrounds and experiences in the military all telling him he is being dumb. Maybe there is something to it. I'm glad you are happy with the way you handled things but frankly in my time in the Navy your experience is the exception.
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I have this philosophy: don't get so bogged down in little steps that you don't make the big jump. Everybody in the military worries about the little steps - I'll just make rank, I'll just get my pin, etc and then I'll get back to getting on with my big goals. New little steps appear, there's always a little step to distract you from making the big moves you need to really do something worthwhile. At a certain point, you've spent so much time making those small steps that it becomes too late. I say gently caress the small steps - devote your time to making the big jumps in your life. This philosophy has never steered me wrong, and I've never heard someone say "I really regret not making one more rank before I get out," but I've heard many, many people who regret never taking their shot at whatever their big goals are - get a commission, get out and move to a shack in the woods, start a farm, become a nurse/doctor/engineer or whatever. From the perspective of an O4 pilot, maybe you reached some of your more significant goals in life, and maybe the small steps you made in the Navy were the things that got you there, but your viewpoint has a lot less to offer someone in the position of an E3. He's a younger guy who hasn't really built the kind of accomplishments that he wants out of his life but I think we can all agree that he has potential to be a lot more than an E3 psych tech, and telling him to worry for more than a minute whether me gets an extra little bauble from the Navy just encourages the scared, pathetic mindset towards life that results in chiefs.
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TheQuietWilds posted:I have this philosophy: don't get so bogged down in little steps that you don't make the big jump. Everybody in the military worries about the little steps - I'll just make rank, I'll just get my pin, etc and then I'll get back to getting on with my big goals. New little steps appear, there's always a little step to distract you from making the big moves you need to really do something worthwhile. At a certain point, you've spent so much time making those small steps that it becomes too late. I say gently caress the small steps - devote your time to making the big jumps in your life. This philosophy has never steered me wrong, and I've never heard someone say "I really regret not making one more rank before I get out," but I've heard many, many people who regret never taking their shot at whatever their big goals are - get a commission, get out and move to a shack in the woods, start a farm, become a nurse/doctor/engineer or whatever. From the perspective of an O4 pilot, maybe you reached some of your more significant goals in life, and maybe the small steps you made in the Navy were the things that got you there, but your viewpoint has a lot less to offer someone in the position of an E3. He's a younger guy who hasn't really built the kind of accomplishments that he wants out of his life but I think we can all agree that he has potential to be a lot more than an E3 psych tech, and telling him to worry for more than a minute whether me gets an extra little bauble from the Navy just encourages the scared, pathetic mindset towards life that results in chiefs. You aren't wrong, and if he were taking the test for the first time i think everybody might even agree. But he has been around long enough that he could potentially make it just by trying, not necessarily studying, just spending more than five minutes on the test. He makes E-4, maybe has to do a little more babysitting, but that doesn't mean he has to stay in forever does it? And it's possible he can focus on making his life in the Navy slightly less miserable AND prep for transitioning at the same time? I know that I went into my last E6 exam and attempted to pass it just like I did every other time, even though I was fairly sure I was gonna get out. Anyhow, why aren't we talking about Flip prostitutes and rail guns anymore?
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terrez posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtCRjEwnXvI Don't leave your towel out, or don't be that guy where someone wants to jack off in your towel... Speaking of which, FTSN Shitforbrains once had his coffee mug passed around FCML head in which an unknown amount of people contributed samples to it... Never saw that mug again....
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Null Integer posted:Don't leave your towel out, or don't be that guy where someone wants to jack off in your towel... So just toss that soaking wet towel in your rack! That won't backfire at all. You gotta hang your towel somewhere on your rack so it doesn't get nasty and then some shitbird jizzes all up in but that's life in the navy. My first day on the boat someone stole my shoelaces so I had to use the little red pieces of string we used to secure the TLD to our beltloops. People steal poo poo. People jizz in poo poo. Get out and never look back.
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Fart Sandwiches posted:So just toss that soaking wet towel in your rack! That won't backfire at all. As a chronic TDYer I'm denied this opportunity to experience navy culture. That's why I jerk off in the tiny hotel hand towels and leave them for the maid to pick up instead
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buttplug posted:You've never worked in the private sector at all have you? This isn't even remotely true. MANY business go out of their way to foster a sense of culture/loyalty/comradarie amongst its employees - it has actually been proven to increase productivity so that people aren't just showing up, doing the bare minimum, and giving no fucks about anybody else. That's not to say that that still doesn't happen, but it's not as prevalent. Hey, you don't have PMs - can I get you to shoot me an email? Got a couple questions for you. red.crown@hotmail.com
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justice4trayvawn posted:keep in mind that the previous two poster/genius/experts about everything have like two internships between them in the corporate world, like, total The gently caress are you talking about? I was both a sysadmin and a Java developer before I joined the Navy. buttplug fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Anybody ever deal with PCSing and breaking their lease? I know under the Servicemember Civil Relief Act termination of a lease is acceptable if deploying overseas (which I've used in the past no problem) but not sure if this also applies to PCS? I'd talk to my admin about this but they're too busy writing NAMs for themselves and keeping the door to their office closed until "customer service hours".
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germskr posted:Anybody ever deal with PCSing and breaking their lease? I know under the Servicemember Civil Relief Act termination of a lease is acceptable if deploying overseas (which I've used in the past no problem) but not sure if this also applies to PCS? I'd talk to my admin about this but they're too busy writing NAMs for themselves and keeping the door to their office closed until "customer service hours". PCSing is legit, if you have orders to another location you can break your lease. Source: I have done this thing when I PCSed before. If you are moving to another geographical location you should have no problem breaking the lease. If you are moving from Oceana to Norfolk, you may not be allowed to though, due to it being in the same location roughly. E: what hekk said, I'm on my phone so I couldn't really post the detailed how-to. orange juche fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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orange juche posted:PCSing is legit, if you have orders to another location you can break your lease. Source: I have done this thing when I PCSed before. If you are moving to another geographical location you should have no problem breaking the lease. Sweet, thanks.
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germskr posted:Anybody ever deal with PCSing and breaking their lease? I know under the Servicemember Civil Relief Act termination of a lease is acceptable if deploying overseas (which I've used in the past no problem) but not sure if this also applies to PCS? I'd talk to my admin about this but they're too busy writing NAMs for themselves and keeping the door to their office closed until "customer service hours". In order to make use of the Service Member's Civil Relief Act, there are specific steps that must be followed. 1.) You must give written notice of lease termination to your landlord with a copy of your PCS orders. You can mail or hand deliver but you have to write a statement invoking the protections of the SCRA. 2.) Once written notification has been received, your lease is terminated 30 days after the NEXT rent due date. So if you do this before December 1st, your lease will be terminated on January 1st (assuming rent is due on the 1st of the month). If you are near a military base, it's possible your landlord doesn't make tenants write statements out but if something went wrong you aren't protected unless you do. Section 535 of the SCRA is where to look for specific details about terminating leases.
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I realize I'm late, but I just want to tell that crybaby corpsman that making e-6 before I got out for no reason other than I didn't have to sweep anymore and like an extra 500 bucks my last paycheck was the best thing ever lol shut the gently caress up and study for your exam you god drat pussy
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Basically yeah, you are loving stupid to not take extra money when you're not really going to get any actual responsibility added. At worst you're just a higher paid E-3. These past few pages have been really loving terrible, though.
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