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Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Gripweed posted:

You use one for a Zaku and then come up with another project you can use 2,999 rhinestones on.

Huckebein Mk-3 BEDAZZLED

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Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012




Become light, spacian!

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



brand engager posted:

Always an almost white color, so it's not as visible on lighter plastic.

Dark plastic is the absolute worst for stress marks. Two cuts won't cut (:dadjoke:) it. You need to leave enough on the part and sand it down with a file.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Are you sanding after? Either with a sanding stick or glass file?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4cUbcIrhZU&t=92s

Do this.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Pierson posted:

You, the person reading this post, should purchase and build a Z'gok.

:hmmyes: My backlog isn't big enough yet.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Deviant posted:

Are the raser tools really worth it over say, this Dspiae amazon brand glass file i have?

I personally think they are. They use a 'dot' abrasive surface rather than the 'diagonal' abrasive (if you're talking about the Siren), which makes them direction agnostic. I've had a much easier time working with my Raser than with my Siren.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Gripweed posted:

They do stand out like a neon light to thieves though

Now I wanna see the look on the face of said thief when they open the black case labeled GUN and find a PG Unleashed RX-78 inside instead of a Glock or something.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Zodack posted:

Figured I'd post my current WIP for a local SEED contest at the end of the month. Tweaked parts of it a few times so it's not fully painted yet. Going for a Strike Freedom Mass Production Type design.



It's got big Narrative B-Packs energy.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



chiasaur11 posted:

They usually add more runs for sold out items, depending on expected demand. I remember the Barbatos MG armor got a bunch of refreshes when it first went up.

Sure, but I think the question is "Why not open orders for a set period of time, tally up the orders you get in that time frame, and allocate production based on absolute demand?"

I suspect the answer is "so they can accurately commit to a deliverable timetable" or something similar. Since it might be difficult to schedule for 50,000 orders deliverable in 6 months when you were expecting 20,000.

edit: See also the fact that P-Bandai will put up reissues with a later delivery date as their way of extending a run. I think they did this with the GM Spartan because I remember when I first went looking for it, I found the old lot and didn't realize a new lot had been posted.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



tag yourself I'm 'old kit.'

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Arc Hammer posted:

Is that a puffer fish in a fishbowl mecha?

I think this is a question handily answered by the box art.

The real question is whether the fish floats and the cockpit contains a real liquid to maintain this.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



RPATDO_LAMD posted:

It would probably help to post a pic. Is it a solid arm part that broke or a joint?

Sounds like now is a great time to get some experience with the brass pin repair thing though

This on both counts. I'm having a hard time visualizing what happened and hey, the thing is already broken. What are you going to do, break it more?

gently caress-ups are just opportunities to learn unexpected lessons.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Zodack posted:

Cleary the spare's spare

I like of like the redundancy, actually. It's another weird thing that makes it look less like a metal human soldier and more like some strange utility robot. Like the smaller minigun on its shoulder

I end up going in the opposite direction, and one of the reasons I prefer various GM designs--it's a rechargeable weapon meant to be used when something is too close or heavily armored for guns. You only need one of them. If you lose it, tough titties I guess maybe don't chuck your weapons and instead return them to the appropriate storage rack like you were trained.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Arc Hammer posted:

I've seen worse:


The more I look at the SBS, the less I end up liking the design even beyond the joke you're making. It looks significantly different from other UC designs, but not in an intentional way like the Gustav Karl or the various late-UC designs.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Arc Hammer posted:

Between the Steel Haze and those Requiem for Vengeance designs the surface detailing is absurd. I think an ink wash or a dip wash technique is necessary to fill the cracks because a pen just won't cut it.

If I'm being entirely honest, I've used both techniques before and I vastly prefer ink washing anyway. Something about the process feels right and more natural than using pens, flow or otherwise.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Phantombane posted:

Thank you for all the input! All of it was actually really useful, and the Dalong images were very informative and reassuring. I decided to go ahead and order the kit, though I do think I may end up saving building it until after I've finished a few more of the high grades I already have. Maybe when I'm all done I can take a "family photo" of the MG plus the HG and G-frame Rick Diases I already had.

I can actually help with that, tabletop minis is my background moreso than model kits as a whole. I can do a more in depth effort post of sorts if you'd like and the thread doesn't mind, but the already lengthy tl,dr is basically;

Tabletop sized mecha is largely pretty under-served because the driving force for most tabletop minis is actual wargames or rpgs to go alongside them, and there just aren't very many mecha games out there.

You do have some options though, but they are going to vary depending on what you are looking for whether that's the building experience, the painting experience, and whether you care at all if you can use them to play an actual tabletop game later.

Some of the options you have that I am aware of are:
1. Games workshop's Tau Empire model line, specifically the battlesuits. They are reasonably close to gundam style mecha in aesthetics, though have their own sensibilities and spin on things. There are only maybe 3-5 kits that fit the bill with the Crisis battlesuit team, Broadside battlesuit, and Tau empire commander/commander battlesuits being your best fits. The quality and build options on these tend to be pretty good. They are made of the same plastic as gundam kits.

Unfortunately the pricing on these is horrible, they are absurdly expensive for what you actually get. If you go this route I would recommend a secondary retailer because they tend to sell at 10-15% off msrp, or look on ebay where you may get a good deal. Now may be one of the better times to look for deals as this faction just got a new rulebook that had some... divisive changes in it as far as battlesuits go, so some people may be selling off either used or un-built kits. This is probably the best option if you are looking for a slightly more complex build and the ability to also use the models for tabletop gaming, they also are good kits for painting by design.

2. Catalyst game lab's Battletech. These mech designs tend to be of the heavier "tank with legs" design type aesthetically. They come pre-assembled with no build options and are made of a softer plastic, but not the lower quality "board game" style soft plastics you usually see. They do have mold lines you have to remove that can be pretty prominent depending on the model in question, and the softer material can make it a bit harder to remove with files or sand paper, but not impossible.

The price on these tends to be pretty reasonable as long as you are ok with mixed sets of mechs rather than being able to buy individual ones. It's generally a little north of $20 USD for 4 mechs. These are probably the second best for being able to be used in gaming, are reasonably fun to paint even if they are a bit basic, but have no kit building experience whatsoever.

3. Dream Pod 9's Heavy Gear blitz. Some Canadians watched Armored trooper Votoms and thought the scopedogs were very cool, so they made a game inspired by it. All the designs are very "this is a mass produced military vehicle" in style, and are expendable though not disposable. They are very in line with the Scopedog visually, but are distinct enough to not be a 1-1 copy, and each faction has their own design and aesthetic sensibilities. The model line itself is a bit of a mixed bag, as everything outside of the starter boxes for the main factions are made of metal rather than plastic, and the first few factions that got their plastic starters had some design problems due to them being the company's very first plastic kits. The newer starters however are pretty good quality, are made of the same plastic you'd be accustom to with gundam kits, and have pretty good build options. I personally chose them as my go to for tabletop mecha, but they may not be to your tastes.

The pricing is pretty good if you are willing to buy the starters, though it is buying in bulk of sorts. It's around $60 USD, but you get 15 or so mech models. It's a Canadian company however so shipping costs may be bad depending on where you live, I know a few US retailers for it but am ignorant of any outside of that. The newer better kits are pretty fun to build in my opinion, with the earlier ones still being ok if you are willing to put up with some flaws or put in some fixing work, they are decently fun to paint as well. As far as gaming prospects go they are unfortunately somewhat slim, though not non existent. It's a niche game that I personally think is much better than the two mentioned above, but not very popular. There is also a tabletop rpg if you are into that.

As an amusing side note, these models are technically the same scale as HG gundam models, but the mechs in universe are way smaller. So if you wanted shin high escort units for your HG kits, or wanted to share some crew models or accessories you should be able to.

4. Games workshop's Adeptus Titanicus. This is if you want your mechs to be part big mech knight, and part gothic architecture. Carries all of the same qualities and problems of Games workshops' other products as mentioned above. The game is apparently liked well enough, but I have no experience with it.

5. Palladium game's Robotech/Macross. These are out of production, and the building experience is apparently not very fun and in fact ludicrously infuriating with the finished models also being pretty fragile. Apparently the product of a design team that straight up does not know how to part out miniatures combined with source designs that are largely pretty spindly. The Destroid models are apparently better, but the Valkyries and Zentraedi mechs are pretty notoriously bad. I don't personally know what these models are made of plastic-wise.

These can sometimes be found either secondhand or in the clearance sections of some web retailers and generally are decently priced even without a markdown. Gaming prospects are absolute zero. I'm not going to lie I can't really recommend these, but they technically exists.

I will warn that regardless of what you choose that none of these product lines are going to live up to the standards set by Bandai, they pretty much are in a league of their own.

I hope any of this was helpful, and would be happy to try to answer questions if you had some.

To narrow this down a bit and provide context Phantombane may or may not have, the closest thing to Gundam Artifact you'll find in this list are the Battletech minatures and Heavy Gear. If I'm remembering my sizes right, the Gundam Artifact figures are a bit larger than your average Space Marine in 40k just over two inches in height, and both Battletech and Heavy Gear seem to operate in the same "32mm base" scale of 40k.

TBH looking at the Heavy Gear selection, these all look absolutely sick. Battletech might have nostalgia and time on its side, but these things absolutely NAIL the vibes.

https://www.fortressminiaturesandgames.com/collections/heavy-gear-starter-army-boxes

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Marx Headroom posted:

This was very helpful, thank you so much!! I've painted a lot of Battletech minis but I had no idea about Heavy Gear Blitz and that looks like a lot of fun. GWS prices stink but I might have to hold my nose for those Tau figures once I run out of ideas.

I did some more digging and found these Front Mission kits that also fit the bill:

https://www.gundamplanet.com/front-mission-structure-arts-1-72-plastic-model-kit-series-vol-3.html

The scale is pretty small and they come in bulk packs. I hope Bandai does more Gundam Artifact though, those tiny shokugan kits scratch a really specific itch.

Edit I feel like plugging for Artifact a little bit. They're really small but still intricate, each kit has 3-5 runners for a total of around 60 pieces. The instruction sheets are a single page.

Glue isn't required but some of them really benefit from it. The gaps are really big in places, I don't think the usual seam filling method is worth the effort and I am never sanding those microscopic nubs so while I plan to paint some of these, I'm not sure I'll ever prepare them for display or competition. I don't even bother breaking out the Godhands. They're just a lot of fun to bust out and put together.



My favorite thing about them is (bear with me) the special colors. All these kits come in that neutral beige orange plastic, but some rare packages contain plastic in clear or neon colors!!



Those ones go straight in the Detolf thank you very much. Great for special occasions!

Honestly they seem like they'd be great for practicing hand painting techniques. They look like the perfect target for going down the rabbit hole on that.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Deviant posted:

How weird, everywhere I saw them they're pre-order or out of stock.

This has been a problem with those since they launched. WfM kits had horrible stock problems during the run, and I don't think they ever solved it for the display base.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



mllaneza posted:

Thin your paints, helps to hide brush strokes on the finished product.

Obligatory post of probably the best video on paint thinning ever made. Not just the how, but the why. I did not understand paint thinning or how to figure out the right ratios before taking a look at what this fellow had to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



RillAkBea posted:

I didn't watch it all, but yeah that's a pretty drat good video.

Don't get me wrong though, the third dimension of 'air pressure' when working with an airbrush is still black magic 'whatever feels right, man' to me. I think the right PSI has something to do with the viscosity of the paint, maybe?

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Arc Hammer posted:

Can I interest you in a Michaelis surplus?

Y'know... a community build where we buy a surplus Michaelis and turn it into a grunt suit might be neat... idk. My brain is in a weird place right now lol... unless?

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Nerobro posted:

I was trying to make a joke about playing with your ball in public. But.. something funnier came up. The hg ball comes in a twin set. You litterally build, and assemble a set of balls.

... I have my Ver.Ka in the garage, if it's that pretty, I might acutally move it up the list.

And now my child brain wants to pose them with a GM flying over the top of the pair as a very abstract dong joke.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Deviant posted:

i use gray because black looks too cel shaded

I'm a weirdo who likes the cel-shaded pop that a black wash gives. I've tried gray a few times, and it always ends up feeling too subtle for my taste.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



monsterzero posted:

Hey gunpla goons. Last April my weeb dream came true and I went to Japan. Between things, we swung by Odaiba and saw the giant Unicorn and the Gundam Base. I got bit by a rabid EG RX-78-2, and have been hoarding kits ever since.

Here’s a gallery with most of what I’ve built this year:



Mostly 0078 HGs, cleaned up and panel lined with the thin tip pens.

I just finished a Gundam MK2, and did some quick detailing with black and silver, and a flat topcoat. It was also my first time gluing parts (the backpack) and I’m happy that it didn’t turn into a blob of polystyrene fingerprints like all the P-51s I attempted as a kid.

Please roast away (seriously, looking for feedback):




Basically, I’m fully hooked at this point. I’m building a HG Gyan Revive now, then I’ll probably start a Calibarn and then my first MG, Quatto’s Rick Dias.

I’m kind of at a spot right now. I don’t know if I should get a set of pens and try shading, or just buy the bullet and buy an airbrush so I can ‘fix’ the weird mustard plastic of the Gyan’s accessories and spray top coat, and start panel lining and doing water slide decals over gloss.

Yeah, I’m going to buy the markers and an airbrush.

Learn to hand paint while you're at it. I wish I'd put more time into it in the past instead of waiting until I was branching into more miniature work and having to learn from scratch. Airbrushing is great for the swaths of panels, but for things like eyes or those little white nubbins on the feet I might just opt to chip them in with a detail brush and let the panel wash sort it out.

I'm not just saying this because I'm doing more things that are better served by hand brushing and as such it's my latest fixation, no...

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



monsterzero posted:

Lmao, eighty percent the reason I post on the something awful dot com forums is as a check that my ideas aren’t bad and my poo poo weak. Top tier haters here, and I trust that if I’m not read for filth I’m on the right track.

But yeah, ‘just do it’ is good advice. Thank you.

I’ve got my first set of reading glasses and a new lamp waiting on the porch for me. I’m going to mix up a little mid-gray and try panel lining the dark blue tonight because like you said, I can always wipe it back off.

A wise goon once told me "do it, gently caress up, learn and gently caress up in new ways next time."

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Waffleman_ posted:

Anaheim! Like Disney! Just tell 'em they're going to Disney!

Why haven't we gotten a comedy musical Gundam with this joke in it yet?

edit: The Producers but it's set between Hathaway and F91.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



chrome line posted:

Here comes the newtype race, surely?

They crossed the wires at Springtime for Casval.

It's Springtime for Gihren, you philistines.

3 Action Economist posted:

For the record, my kids enjoyed all these jokes.

What I really meant was that I'm not an anime person, but my kids are total weebs, so we took them to Anime Boston because we're cool, supportive parents. But I do like building things so I bought a big robot man

And that's all that matters. There's lots more robot mans out there to build, and everything else under the sun if you want to look at other kinds of scale modeling that aren't sci-fi robots too!

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



monsterzero posted:

My kingdom for Mr. Datasheet (in English).

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Schwarzwald posted:

Hand paint, and basically no :lol:

Designing a color scheme from scratch isn't really what I'm worried about. I've ordered the Moderoid Viola Katze, and I from what I've seen a lot of its parts of unpainted and its base black is kind of mid. I'm mostly aiming to have it more closely resemble how it looked in show.

Get some plastic spoons and practice on those. Lighting (edit: and PRIMER COLOR, watch some videos on the pros/cons of using black vs gray vs white vs pink vs brown primers) is going to have a big effect on how things look, and if you get really into the weeds, colors on your computer screen won't necessarily match the color in real life, let alone whatever is on the bottle.

Don't sweat the exact color, do what looks good to your eye, even while color-matching. I definitely made the colors for my Messer too dark, but I like the colors themselves (the finish, on the other hand, lmao, I hosed the finish so bad).

Practice thinning your paint so that when you paint those plastic spoons it goes on nice and even and doesn't leave brush marks. Future you will thank you. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI

I'm working with Army Painter's new Fanatic line, which I'm finding to work well for my Millennium Falcon, but the brand is pretty interchangeable at your level. You're not going to be debating how bad the pigment density of Corax White is on forums anytime soon. But I'd stick with water based acrylic for now, as those are the easiest to work with. Army Painter, Vallejo, Reaper, AK, and Citadel all do those just fine (but Citadel will have you mortgaging your home because Games Workshop wants your money).

Warmachine fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Apr 16, 2024

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012




Me immediately going to P-Bandai to check this. I do not want to pay scalpers to complete my One Year War Gundam collection. Actually, ordering TWO because I want to make the kitbash I had in Gundam Breaker Mobile and I need spare Mudrock parts for that.

edit: Grabbed spare G04 and G05 kits as well, because I like them and even though I already have them, why not have MORE of them? :homebrew: The PS2 era of Gundam games made some real banger OG suits.

Warmachine fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 18, 2024

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Tom Guycot posted:

So, I did something silly and got one of these things to build.

I don't know anything about Gundum really outside of cultural osmosis, but I kept seeing friends I know talking about and building these toy robot guys and I was bored. I used to love building models as a kid, but I haven't built one in 20 years, and I always enjoyed the act of following instructions and building legos, so I though, what the hell, it will give me something to do for an evening, seeing what one of these robot toys are all about. I had a look through the lists of them, saw a few that had an ok look and not all weird, and narrowed it down and picked one up. I don't know anything the show or anything so I don't know what its from or anything, I just thought it had a decent look to it.

I gotta say I was pretty skeptical going in, I know people always talked about these things, but frankly snap together "models" were always code for pretty simple low end kits when I was a kid last building models. However this has really impressed me with its attention to detail, and all these fascinating moving pistons and parts inside that all get covered up anyways but are still there. A lot more intricate than I expected, and time consuming enough that it ended up not just being something to do for the one evening, as I only managed to get the top half put together last night, and spent all this evening just getting the legs built. Really wonderful mechanisms inside them, I'm impressed.

Theres still probably a 3rd night I'll need to finish building the rest of it, then I'll do a little bit of basic weathering to give it a less clean look, file and fill some damage marks into etc, but yeah, overall I'm having a surprisingly good zen time putting together this silly little robot toy.





One of the thread recommendations for me was the Jegan, which is the 'endpoint' of the GM line in the canon as I see it, since afterwards grunt suit production for the Federation was moved in-house with things like the Gustav Karl, and anything beyond that point is as far removed from the GM line as an F-15 is removed from a P-51 Mustang. I still haven't built it but that's a factor of backlog priorities rather than interest.

The various scales available are also worth considering. You're in 1:100 "Master Grade" scale, which puts a lot of detail on display and is probably the best out of the box experience. The 1:144 "High Grade" is my favorite because they're more friendly to shelf space and, while still having lots of detail and posing options, offer a starker contrast between the out-of-the-box snap build and a 'finished' piece with paint, scribing, waterslides, and other detailing applied. Some of my old posts should show off a 1:144 scale "Gundam Unit 5" that can give you an idea of what this looks like.





Same kit, but mine got a coat of paint, panels, decals, and a gloss varnish.

Anyway.

Synthbuttrange posted:

Welcome to plastic crack. Nice job on the brass arm, gives it a nice asymmetry!

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Tom Guycot posted:

Thanks, yeah, I knew I needed some kind of asymetry to it, and I had some copper tape around that I thought might work decent for a look of a repaired part from something else. If I wasn't lazy I'd redo the bit on the forearm as I made some mistakes applying it that lead to it not looking as nice, but eh, its enough for my unskilled putzing around.



Funny enough these were the other 2 I was deciding between, but robot sniper thingy won out. Sorry to seem like I'm putting down the gandems that look "weird", I'm just not really a big anime person so a lot of those over the top busy designs are just not my bag is all!

Honestly your sentiment is pretty common in the Gunpla community, at least in discussion circles if not in sales, so you're in fine company. Of my backlog, 4 of them are Gundams, and 10 are various flavors of grunt (or grunt-equipment; I have a Type 89 Base Jabber in there).

At any rate, don't worry about things like "best practices." This isn't software engineering, it's art, and what you enjoy and want to convey is more important than some grognard weeb insisting your GM Sniper II isn't the exact color scheme and weathering for the places the GM Sniper II was deployed in November 0079.

(Same rule applies to armor and other modeling, by the way.)

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Tom Guycot posted:

Well, that was an enjoyable time. I gotta say again how interesting the mechanism and construction was, and I really dig that painting isn't required, as when I was a kid, that was always the point I would put everything off on a model build and it would sit on a shelf, so that really is a plus to these i feel. That and the snap together nature makes it basically like putting together a lego set with a little extra fiddlyness of cutting out and cleaning pieces, and something easy to do while having nothing better to do. I don't know if I'll ever build another one of these things, but now that I've done it, I wouldn't be opposed to it down the line if I have a modeling itch. Honestly since I haven't done any models in 20 years since I was a kid, do they do models of other things besides anime robots, in this style of non required painting?


In any case, heres the finished product, though I'm not super happy with the weathering job I did on it, overall its good enough for now and sitting on a shelf, and I can always wipe it off and redo parts if I want to after sitting with it a while.






We're never happy with our own work. But this looks really slick. You sure this was your first time in 20 years?

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



I was feeling burned out on video games tonight so I snap-fit one of my GM Spartan kits. I left the clear accent parts off since I'm going to give it a paint job and I don't want to deal with pulling off or masking those bits.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Waffleman_ posted:

They're leaving money on the table not doing a Magitek Armor kit

Where are my WEAPON ver. Sorrow kits?

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Nuebot posted:

I loved to do these things when I was a kid:



Strike Freedom vs Strike Freedom HD Remaster

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Waffleman_ posted:

Kshatriya verKa

That'd be so much drat plastic. I'm in.

Og didn't even get an MG to start.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Marx Headroom posted:

Avatar/post combo checks out here

Can't say I share your taste though, my gunpla kink is anything boxy or sufficiently hydraulic enough to moonlight as construction equipment. Most of the Zeon suits in ZZ give me anxiety

This is why I like my Federation grunts. Zeon suits get all the attention for being green, but the GM is just... box. And the variants include box wearing more box.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012




This is cool, but I was surprised when I clicked it and heard flint wheels running to generate the sparks at its feet. I figured they'd have used the same technique used on the 'flames' and just added a separate smoke generator.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Could always give the current iteration of Future a shot. Can't remember what it is right now. Quick Shine? Jon Bius did a YouTube on it.

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Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Durr Kommissar posted:

Today marks my first big “WHOOPS” moment in gunpla. Finished the RG 00 Qan[T] with no problems and launched right into the RG Wing Zero EW.

Within a day of working on it, I lost the little inverted wrench piece that connects the leg/knee armor to the inner frame, and can’t find it anywhere. Doesn’t help that the piece is grey and matches the carpet in my room precisely.

Hoping I luck out and randomly find it the next day like I did with the green head jewel in the Qan[T] bc uhhhh, that’s some significant “battle damage” to have on the finished kit.

The carpet monster taketh its due.

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