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Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Shouldn't that be Arboriculture Height Enthusiast, not Horticulture? Horticulture is stuff like flowers and herbs.

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Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Chadderbox posted:

I just read Nixonland (and wasn't old enough to watch the events described firsthand) last summer so watching all of this happen is simultaneously fascinating, horrifying, and disappointing.

It's morbidly amusing (not being stuck in America might help here) that the Ferguson unrest has nothing on the 1960s but the conservative reaction to it is and will be just as hysteric as it was back then.

Additionally you are going to be completely lacking any members of the political class even trying their hand at a rational approach into the matter. Reading Nixonland the greatest surprise was probably reading all these liberal politicians actually having sober opinions on the unrest and trying to pivot it into a discussion on racism and poverty.

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computer parts posted:

It's fairly similar in intensity to 1940s race riots, however.

Though the main difference there is that roving bands of white people started a fair number of those.

Ah, yeah, stuff like the Zoot Suit Riots is oft forgotten. I only learned about them reading The Good War and that was a few months ago!

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That sounds like a good way to approach the general, but he needs to survive the primary first, and you ain't gonna get there with some fancy liberal hydrogen fuel cells instead of God's own gasoline.

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Fulchrum posted:

They know they're losing the demographics war, and their base has made it clear being less hateful is not an option, so they need a new crop of single issue morons like the gun crowd, who can be counted on to always pull the lever and ignore facts. Anti-vaxxers fit that to a tee.

I don't see why people are so shocked. Its the Republican position to deny the science on everything else, why do you think this is too much?

I suspect the HPV vaccine might have something to do with this too. Opposing HPV vaccines is a standard Republican position at this point and if you believe parents should be able to prevent their daughter from having an HPV vaccination, then it follows that they should be able to prevent other vaccinations as well.

It's a whole knot of issues, of course.

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Oct 10, 2006

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Joementum posted:

She will need to file Form 2 with the FEC in the next 15 days or someone will be able to file a complaint with the FEC.

This is a goldmine:

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/160/15031401160/15031401160.pdf

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/954/15031401954/15031401954.pdf

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/365/12030751365/12030751365.pdf

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I at least am not chuckling at the legal implications here (I doubt there are any), but the nativist primary thunderdome implications.

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Venom Snake posted:

Tbf most people learn to speak english so they can better enjoy English/American media.

Really it's the other way around, English-speaking media is so ubiquitous that if you are under 30 and haven't picked up English, something's weird with you or your upbringing. Or you only ever watched dubbed movies as a kid and always played video games with localization on.

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vintagepurple posted:

Or aren't from the developed world.

It was in the context of consuming English-speaking media, but you're not wrong of course.

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GalacticAcid posted:

https://twitter.com/subverzo/status/604368035017838593

https://twitter.com/subverzo/status/604368713287127040

This person is claiming it's a publicity stunt for some bullshit.

So I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Unfortunately this seems far more plausible.

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Gravel Gravy posted:

If Presidents' spouses wanted protection they ought to be able to bootstrap themselves into Presidential office to receive it.

Did she ever even receive protection independently as a spouse? Does the SS detail extend to immediate family as well? Because now that she's running she's eligible for protection in her own right anyway.

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Concerned Citizen posted:

I'm not really convinced that online voting can't be done securely and safely. As far as secrecy goes, sure - but mail ballots already have that issue, and the trade off has been more than worth it. As far as security, you could for example require people to have a unique code mailed to them at every election combined with other personal information. It would then be very difficult to take one vote, much less multiple votes. Because you record vote totals, who voted, and how many votes each candidate received separately, it would be virtually impossible to modify the totals without it being immediately detectable.

There's also not really a reason why, if you allow online voting, you can't have voting over a long period of time (multiple months). If you detected fraud, you could have people vote again. Not ideal, but still better than millions of people being disenfranchised.

Client security is a greater issue. We may not be totally ready yet, but PC security has improved by leaps and bounds over the past 4 or 5 years. At the very least, locked down devices like iPads are secure enough to use.

Online voting may not be conceptually problematic but imagine a company like Diebold running the online election. It's a pipe dream to get it implemented in a way that is as tamper-proof, reliable and cost-effective as paper ballots. Yes, voting machines are basically the worst of both worlds.

It's not even a matter of whether you genuinely think an election will be stolen or not - elections rely on their perceived legitimacy as well.

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thrawn527 posted:

Don't you go ruin my fun day by making him winning some sort of outside possibility. Not today...

...not on Donald Trump day.

Ronald Reagan had done a few other things besides act with a chimpanzee by 1980. We're still far far away from Donaldtopia.

And beaten like Ronnie in the 1976 convention

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SniHjen posted:

Hold on, they are comparing him to Olof loving Palme, One of swedens 'national heroes' for a lack of better term?

and they are doing so negatively?

holy gently caress these guys have no clue what they are talking about.

The issue as I see it is that Bernie isn't really a socialist unless he actually campaigns on nationalizing the means of production or whatnot. Him taking up the badge of "socialist" as one of honor is something I applaud but he's obviously a social democrat in the Scandinavian vein, not a socialist. Since social democracy is a foreign term in American political language, socialist works just as well because he's going to be accused of being one anyway.

But if you're a hardcore socialist, this will tick you off. It's just your standard internecine claptrap.

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Yeah. It's pretty much the "liberal" thing all over again.

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I was going to say Bush Elder but I think he just coined it for electoral races.

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Three Olives posted:

He will pull out before he has to file an actual financial disclosure with the FEC but that is apparently after at least the first debate.

And he'll be back on doing The Apprentice soon after that, too. Maybe after a mealy-mouthed statement that's an apology if you squint at it. His previous actions have made me completely cynical as to his motives and I refuse to believe he'll actually ride this train.

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Joementum posted:

And Kasich on July 21, but that's it. That's the field.

(Assuming Bob Ehrlich and Jim Gilmore don't actually announce campaigns.)

I just figured out why Bob Ehrlich sounds like a political operator working for the Committee to Re-Elect the President.

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No one who considers voting for Trump will give a crap about him not releasing his tax returns. It's another obstacle between him and the nomination but only one of very, very many.

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EugeneJ posted:

It would be interesting if the Bernie supporters collectively started a "Bernie or no one" campaign - threatening to not vote Dem if Bernie loses the primary. I wonder if the Democratic brass would abandon Hillary in that case.

No, because they know that they would fall in line come November when faced with Scott Walker or *snicker* Donald Trump.

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Sheng-ji Yang posted:

no you cocksuckers dont do this to me

While losing him from the debate will be a huge bummer, it will only shore up his anti-establishment credentials. It'll also delegitimize the debate for the red meat crowd, having a guy leading the polls excluded for what to them amounts to an arcane procedural detail. We might get a Trump-organized shadow debate with candidates pressured to join in!

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Hollismason posted:

I actually think Trump is a great because he's such a polarizing figure that regardless of the outcome maybe he'll encourage more people to come to vote.

I don't know if having such a terrible candidate that people turn out in droves to make sure he's not elected is a viable long-term method to increase voter participation.

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Joementum posted:

Harry Reid was also there, as a Capitol Police officer.

How the hell do you know this stuff. Or, alternatively, how do you remember it.

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Joementum posted:

Speaking of divination, IJReview hired a psychic to tell us what's going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImhvbzZOMfg

Spoilers: Huckabee will be the GOP nominee, Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, but Bernie will be her VP and Michigan is going to be a swing state.

Also, Ben Carson's soul is connected to the founding fathers and Rand Paul was a 1920s Hollywood actor in a past life. Now that's news you can use!

I'm struggling to decide which is more ridiculous, that Huckabee's the nominee, that Bernie'd be Hillary's VP or that Michigan will be a swing state.

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Full Battle Rattle posted:

"I thought a black guy did it."

And someone in the audience laughed, loudly.

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The style here kind of reminds me of someone who has been around telling this same story a lot of times. Like, he's founded some kind of "kick the Mexicans out" organization after his kid was killed and has been doing speeches in his town. Illegal immigration is the only way to rationalize what happened.

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Is Bernie a legitimate candidate now that Trump is sniping at him too?

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Serious question: who is actually the worst Secretary of State in US history? Kissinger?

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Oct 10, 2006

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I tuned out of the word salad for a moment and now he's talking about hostages in Iran. Is he having a stroke and mixed up Obama and Carter?

Also, Benghazi.

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Mecca-Benghazi posted:

so what're we using for the quote of the day

QOTD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMQYzKhsnGM

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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Iran and Iraq are going to merge? Tell me more, Donald, do tell me more.

Sulphagnist
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I hope there will be a transcript somewhere so I can print it and save it for posterity

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Brannock posted:

I remember it jumping between Bachmann to Perry to Cain but I don't remember any of them ever working the crowd as hard as Trump did just now

He really is the used car salesman turned politician. He knows what people want to hear and he's just giving it to them undiluted.

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Dalael posted:

That was great stand-up comedy.

I have bad news.

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McDowell posted:

I think both Bernie and Trump represent a growing movement that has recognized the dysfunctional operation of our nation and the need for a constitutional convention. Lots of people are reluctant about such major reforms to the 'establishment' for many reasons - personal benefits, complacency, cynicism, discomfort, and so on.

Except the 'movement' behind Trump thinks the problem is having the Fourteenth Amendment.

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McDowell posted:

The Convention would be a big public civics lesson - all the media coverage would actually have to explain how government works before the changes can be understood and voted on.

There is a government operating right now, and this information is not reaching the public or the public is not willing to consume it. Why would a convention magically change cable news into PBS?

Edit: If anything you'd need this sea change in the media to happen for a convention happen in the first place.

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And this is why even if Trump got 40% of the delegates in crazy universe, the remaining 60% of the delegates would, after the first ballot, unite behind an establishment candidate like Jeb!.

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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:



ahahah excellent

New thread title please.

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DaveWoo posted:

Honestly, a jump that dramatic makes me wonder about the reliability of the pollster more than anything else.



To be fair it does have a whiff of a pollster massaging data to not appear to be dramatically out of line with the latest hotness. But this would be the third poll putting Trump in double digits.

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Trabisnikof posted:

I disagree and still think its better to entrust that decision to our elected civilian leaders rather than to the military. I don't think the military should be able to veto actions by the civilian commander and chief. That's how you end a democracy.

They are, after all, only following orders.

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