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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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I'm glad Bachmann is credited as Sky Admiral. I hope she's in the Primary, at least, for another ANDERSON moment.

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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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Aqua Buddah is not going to be the GOP nominee.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Wake me up when #RomneyDeathRally2 is trending

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Jan 13, 2008

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Old Kentucky Shark posted:

I once voted in an election for sheriff that broke exactly even. They flipped a coin to determine the winner.

The sheriff was later assassinated by his political rivals.

Votes matter.

I remember this story. Wasn't it in Pulaski County?

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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lol fuckin ted cruz will be lucky to make it to iowa if he's announcing in march, dude gotta be broke as a joke and unless he's planning to santorum it across Iowa I don't really see him having enough cash to really stay in the mix

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Jan 13, 2008

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Hell, I can answer that one. Rand ain't his daddy. The more clever libertarians (aka, those over the age of 35 or so) realized quite some time ago that Rand doesn't buy into the libertarian bullshit nearly as much as Ron.

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Jan 13, 2008

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My Imaginary GF posted:

My god, scary thought: Whereas Democrats have traditionally gone for the underdog and Republicans for the establishment figure, the two parties may have switched and now Cruz is the Republican underdog running a conservative insurgency of a campaign against Jeb's Clinton '08 style of announcing in the summer.

A Cruz '16 nomination is a real possibility, just as Hillary seems now an inevitability.

when did weed get legalized in illinois

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Jan 13, 2008

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Gyges posted:

Well of course you invade New Hampshire first. That way you bring the nation to it's knees by controlling all the...um...stuff(?) that New Hampshire produces for the rest of the country!

You have to go after all the true freedom fighters so they can't put up a scrappy, Red Dawn-esque resistance

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Jan 13, 2008

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Cruz's people also put out a statement that the PPACA "eliminated" the market for individual coverage (which is, of course, a massive lie) and that's why he was "forced" to buy from the exchange.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Methodists are one of the least crazy branches of American Christianity, don't associate them with Rand

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Jan 13, 2008

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FAUXTON posted:

Pretty sure he was going for the burning cross of the clan rather than the burning cross of the methodist church.

That makes sense too.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Joementum posted:

This campaign owwwwwwnnnnnnnssssss.






all this and you didn't post the signed constitution for a cool grand?

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Jan 13, 2008

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Jackson Taus posted:

And much of that disapproval is likely of the "Obama's too moderate/conservative" variety - people pissed that he didn't get Single Payer or move America to Full Socialism by Executive Order.

I seriously doubt this. There's probably a significantly higher proportion of people who are reliable democratic voters but don't like Obama because he's black; especially in the South.

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Jan 13, 2008

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she's got a shot at Kentucky though

I mean, it's a long one and it wouldn't matter much at that point but they fuckin love the clintons down there

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Jan 13, 2008

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Dunno if I'd be more excited to see Bolton or Palin on the debate stage.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Let's be real though, Bring Back Sky Admiral Bachmann

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Jan 13, 2008

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V. Illych L. posted:

not gonna lie, i'm sort of morbidly curious to see what jeb would do to the world and america if allowed

it'd be interesting to follow. from a safe distance, of course

isn't the rest of the world basically america lite at this point

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Jan 13, 2008

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canada is the most extreme example i can think of; they've got their own little (failing?) domestic energy boom, a housing bubble, bunch of people driving trucks, and they really loving hate the natives

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Jan 13, 2008

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whydirt posted:

Ca we make a separate thread for talking about who people are personally voting for, accelerationism, and/or strategic voting?

is it that time already, i felt we got much further during the last cycle until the accelerationist thread came about

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Jan 13, 2008

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eternalname posted:

Is there any chance of Sanders putting up a believable primary challenge against Clinton? Not even winning, just the outcome being perceived as in doubt to a reasonable person.

No.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Under the vegetable posted:

I'm glad you weighed in by saying baseless speculation with authority.

Please don't disparage the credentials of the smartest boy in America.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Neither Rick Santorum or Herman Cain were 'serious' candidates against Mitt Romney outside of, perhaps, their own minds.

The media will gladly flog the horse race narrative as long and hard as they can, but realistically the 2012 election was decided long before a debate or primary was held. Obama losing to anyone the Republican Party could muster would have been the biggest political failing since... gently caress, I dunno, Mike Dukakis?

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Jan 13, 2008

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Joementum posted:

Oh please, please, please let him create this shirt. :pray:



edit: I can confirm that weedlord.bonerhitler@randpaul.com voted for that shirt.

i would wear this after he loses the primary

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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It's part of his stump speech

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Jan 13, 2008

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An Angry Bug posted:

Gee, if only there were a way to make people stop replying. Maybe by stopping anything they could reply to. Some sort of... posting restriction. But I'm just daydreaming here.

I'll vote for whoever makes Fishmech a D&D mod for life.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

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I mean, dudes not entirely wrong. It's very possible to imagine a situation in which the minimum wage rises but economic growth does not, leading to higher inflation. The simplest and most probable cause would be that workers who saw their real wages increase would, rather than spend that money, turn around and pay off debt or save it. It's not really unheard of - one of the reasons economic growth has been so slow is because of that very fact, people are paying off debt and saving rather than buying poo poo.

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Jan 13, 2008

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That said, those are both positive outcomes and should be sought after. We're light years away from inflation being a "problem" (idk maybe a lot of hedge fund managers posting itt) for the vast majority of people and I think the market can bear a little more inflation even if Wall Street will be howling about it.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Nonsense posted:

Wages have stagnated, people aren't saving, they're spending more now or the same as they were before, the prices of everything has gone up especially food.

Wages have stagnated since the 70s, kiddo. People are saving and paying down debt in a way they weren't before 2008. In fact, people are spending a lot less of their income on debt servicing because they don't have as much any more and aren't taking on new debt for a variety of reasons.

http://equitablegrowth.org/news/slicing-dicing-u-s-savings-rate/

http://www.businessinsider.com/debt-service-ratio-for-prior-expansion-2015-4

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Jan 13, 2008

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Obviously, the people that aren't doing that are the ones making at or near the median income because they don't have enough money to. It's reasonable to assume, however, that individuals who are currently making minimum wage and living paycheck to paycheck (or not) wouldn't simply start spending more money in order to continue living paycheck to paycheck; they might increase their debt service to free up more money later down the line, they might save more money so they have a cash cushion in case of emergencies, etc. etc.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Nonsense posted:

Please stop using loving kiddo, you're not fishmech.

Thank you for the links, further reading ahoy!

Fishmech uses 'kid' or 'child', I'm trying something new and innovative.

Ed: you also might find http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/housedebt/ interesting, that's the percentage of disposable income spent on debt service. It's very low compared to what it used to be. People tightened their belts after the Great Recession.

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Jan 13, 2008

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Nonsense posted:

Would it be annoying to call people initiate?

"Wages have stagnated since the 70s, initiate."

i dig it

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Jan 13, 2008

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MaxxBot posted:

That's certainly theoretically possible but certainly you aren't suggesting that would be average behavior right? Most people I know have much more disposable income than a minimum wage earner but I still don't know a single person so frugal that in the event of a raise they would put it all into savings rather then spending more.

I'd argue, in general, that people would do one of several things -

1. Reduce their overall workload, maintain the same real income. Time is valuable, after all, and in many cases it may be preferable to continue living at the same income level while freeing up more time for personal pursuits or to reduce associated costs that were necessitated by having multiple jobs (ex: single mother working two+ part time jobs, if suddenly she could work one job (or work both, but fewer hours) at the same income then she might be able to take that extra time and not have to pay for child care, etc.)

2. Maintain current workload, increase debt service/savings/start investing/some other activity that wouldn't necessarily increase economic growth.

3. Maintain current workload, increase spending to match new income level.

4. Some combination of the above.

People are weird and not entirely rational with their money all the time but I think it's a bit dismissive to simply say "<x> is a net good forever and theres nothing that can go wrong!", especially when you're talking about economics.

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Jan 13, 2008

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site posted:

As a poor person i can tell you all that extra money will go right back out in necessary spending. How that is not completely obvious is beyond me.

Why is this a three page derail in the presidential primary thread?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that we should treat one persons lived experience as a universal constant when debating the economic ramifications of a particular policy.

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Jan 13, 2008

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my bony fealty posted:

an unacceptable price to pay for raising millions out of poverty

It's not an unacceptable price at all, but it would mean that millions have their spending power reduced by some small amount as well. I think that's a perfectly acceptable trade off. When you consider the knock-on effects of raising families out of poverty a few generations on, it's even more valuable to the society.

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Jan 13, 2008

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The problem with the minimum wage debate is that it's not really about the minimum wage on the Right (it's not about class and race and other fun forms of bigotry) and no one on the Left is willing to actually discuss the concept of "sometimes we have to do things that make life worse for some people in order to make life better for other people in the short term so that everyone's lives are better in the long term"

* Right and Left from the American position at least

** This is my biggest PPACA pet peeve, that they tried so hard to pitch it as 'everyone wins all the time' when it was blatantly obvious that there would be short term winners and losers. A society that's incapable of honestly debating trade offs and weighing the short term costs vs. the long term benefits of policy is a loving stupid society.

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Jan 13, 2008

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site posted:

This does not conform and incorporate into my world view.

Obviously, it is fallacy of anecdotal evidence.

It, quite literally, is anecdotal evidence. Initiate.

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Jan 13, 2008

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computer parts posted:

Unless I have to self sacrifice, then it's blatantly unfair.

Proceed, Governor.

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Zwabu posted:

This seems like it would be fun:



Seeding gets a bit tricky once you get down past number 5 or 6, just like in NCAA basketball.

Rick Perry should obviously be a 3 seed.

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Jan 13, 2008

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computer parts posted:

Hillary Clinton is bad because she wanted to take away my video games.

I'm eagerly awaiting someone in the GOP to go after the coveted gamer vote by running ads against killary using that old poo poo.

"GAME OVER... FOREVER. vote bush"

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Jan 13, 2008

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Fried Chicken posted:

They have already been chasing it, look at the connections between Brietbart and those shits.

maybe we can replace a debate with a CoD match between the candidates

2016 year of the gamer vote

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