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Fangz posted:I think Morrigan talks about killing Templars hunting for them with her mother in DAO, so her hatred of the Circles isn't without any basis. She does e.g. speak up for Jowan. Zane fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Zane posted:maybe so. but at least thematically a (demi)god should be unpredictable and frightening and unconcerned with the everyday ambit of social morality. they shouldn't be your friendly pals who help you out with the occasional plot magic. that's what gods historically were in human culture--they were people's best explanation for what was terrifying and inexplicable and elementary about the universe. whatever though. they'll probably just forget about flemeth and it'll all be academic. Well, ultimately I think DA adopts the perspective that Spirits/Evanuris are basically people. The idea of these gods as conceptions of terrifying and elementary is flat out incorrect. Oh dear me posted:This would not make a decent person think that the mages imprisoned by the Templars deserve to be slaughtered. They didn't have the luck to be protected and trained from childhood by a powerful witch, so kill them all? Morrigan is all FYGM and power worship. My read of Morrigan isn't that she wants to kill the mages in the broken circle for the evulz. It's that from her POV, well, this is exactly what the Mages of the Circle signed on for. They chose to reside with the Rite of Annulment hanging over their heads, and if the Templars want to invoke it this was an entirely predictable consequence of their own cowardice and complicity in the system. Why should she interfere, especially when e.g. Wynne would attack her in this quest if she learned she was an apostate and has the temerity to lecture that Circles aren't All That Bad? I think that Morrigan as of DAO is *not nice*. She's fundamentally petty and immature. But she isn't like a Sith Lord or something. Fangz fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Zane posted:maybe so. but at least thematically a (demi)god should be unpredictable and frightening and unconcerned with the everyday ambit of social morality. they shouldn't be your friendly pals who help you out with the occasional plot magic. that's what gods historically were in human culture--they were people's best explanation for what was terrifying and inexplicable and elementary about the universe. whatever though. they'll probably just forget about flemeth and it'll all be academic. I'm not sure we've heard the last of Flemeth. And I'm not sure how benevolent she is ultimately either since her goals likely align with Solas'. Also in that epilogue scene it looks like she is sending something through the Eluvian. I assume that was part of her essence or whatever so I don't think she's totally gone.
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Fangz posted:Well, ultimately I think DA adopts the perspective that Spirits/Evanuris are basically people. The idea of these gods as conceptions of terrifying and elementary is flat out incorrect. gods never existed irl for that matter. gods in genre fantasy literature are ultimately just complicated references to the cultural psychology of pre-modern existence. but w/e I am spinning my wheels at this point!! Zane fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Fangz posted:their own cowardice and complicity in the system. Why should she interfere They have been imprisoned from childhood by an army, and can easily be tracked and killed if they escape. For Morrigan with her powerful protector to scorn them and call them cowards is petty and immature, if you like. But saying "let them all die" is worse than that. She should interfere out of basic human decency. (As well as prudence, since we're on a quest to get their support, dammit.) And Wynne does not attack because Morrigan is an apostate - she'll happily work alongside Morrigan if you insist on saving the mages. She'll only fight if you agree with Morrigan's let-them-die policy. If the word evil makes you think of Star wars by all means let's call it badness instead, but it's not immaturity. Lots of young people have compassion. Lots of old people don't. E: Ginette Reno posted:her goals likely align with Solas'. Also in that epilogue scene it looks like she is sending something through the Eluvian. I assume that was part of her essence or whatever so I don't think she's totally gone. That's certainly how it looked, but for that very reason I don't think she will be entirely on Solas's side. The next thing she says is "I knew you would come", and to me it seems she has taken precautions. I hope so anyway. Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Oh dear me posted:They have been imprisoned from childhood by an army, and can easily be tracked and killed if they escape. For Morrigan with her powerful protector to scorn them and call them cowards is petty and immature, if you like. But saying "let them all die" is worse than that. She should interfere out of basic human decency. (As well as prudence, since we're on a quest to get their support, dammit.) And Wynne does not attack because Morrigan is an apostate - she'll happily work alongside Morrigan if you insist on saving the mages. She'll only fight if you agree with Morrigan's let-them-die policy. Morrigan is the "I'm a Libertarian" of Dragon Age. She's grown up in a place where she's been allowed to express herself as a mage and believes that anyone can do that and that the people not doing it are just weak and poo poo. I wouldn't call her Evil. Just wrong.
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Oh dear me posted:They have been imprisoned from childhood by an army, and can easily be tracked and killed if they escape. For Morrigan with her powerful protector to scorn them and call them cowards is petty and immature, if you like. But saying "let them all die" is worse than that. She should interfere out of basic human decency. (As well as prudence, since we're on a quest to get their support, dammit.) And Wynne does not attack because Morrigan is an apostate - she'll happily work alongside Morrigan if you insist on saving the mages. She'll only fight if you agree with Morrigan's let-them-die policy. If you're right my guess would be that She actually opposes the Evanuris being freed, or even wants to destroy them outright. They did betray her after all, and in her conversation with Morrigan she talks about having scratched and clawed her way through the ages for revenge. Not sure what revenge she could have since Solas already hosed the Evanuris over. I suppose destroying them once and for all could her be plan, but I dunno. The way Solas describes them it sounds like actually killing one is extremely difficult.
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I'm still reserving judgement on Solas's plan.Oh dear me posted:They have been imprisoned from childhood by an army, and can easily be tracked and killed if they escape. For Morrigan with her powerful protector to scorn them and call them cowards is petty and immature, if you like. But saying "let them all die" is worse than that. She should interfere out of basic human decency. (As well as prudence, since we're on a quest to get their support, dammit.) And Wynne does not attack because Morrigan is an apostate - she'll happily work alongside Morrigan if you insist on saving the mages. She'll only fight if you agree with Morrigan's let-them-die policy. I don't actually agree with Morrigan, but like, the Mages in the Circle signed on to this whole "we'll all be killed if anything bad happens" contract, then they *still* chose to gently caress around with demons and blood magic in their petty political games, and now they want apostates to bail them out? Morrigan's highest approval output out of that quest is to save the Circle, then recommend the Templars investigate more deeply what happened there. Wynne gets approval for just burying what happened which is pretty hypocritical. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Fangz posted:I'm still reserving judgement on Solas's plan. I guess it boils down to how knifey your ears are.
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FunkMonkey posted:I guess it boils down to how knifey your ears are. Not even really that because he treats modern elves with disdain. And I doubt the rest of the Evanuris would be any kinder based on what we've learned of them. Most likely modern elves are just as hosed as anybody else if he succeeds in his plans.
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Well, like I'm assuming Bioware is being ridiculously vague for a reason, and the reason might well be that his plan = "well, you are actually all totally hosed because the Blight is undefeatable, so I'm going to travel back in time and make none of this happen", in which case Solas might be basically objectively correct.
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Ginette Reno posted:Not even really that because he treats modern elves with disdain. And I doubt the rest of the Evanuris would be any kinder based on what we've learned of them. Most likely modern elves are just as hosed as anybody else if he succeeds in his plans.
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Solas is a fuckboy who wants to Make Arlathan Great Again.
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Fangz posted:the Mages in the Circle signed on to this whole "we'll all be killed if anything bad happens" contract, then they *still* chose to gently caress around with demons and blood magic in their petty political games, and now they want apostates to bail them out? They did not sign on, there was no contract; they were imprisoned by an army. They also did not all choose to gently caress around with demons and blood magic (though doing so is more understandable when you're imprisoned for life); and mages are not to blame for what other mages do.
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exquisite tea posted:Solas is a fuckboy who wants to Make Arlathan Great Again. Vote Arishok Sten for a better tomorrow.
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Oh dear me posted:They have been imprisoned from childhood by an army, and can easily be tracked and killed if they escape. For Morrigan with her powerful protector to scorn them and call them cowards is petty and immature, if you like. But saying "let them all die" is worse than that. She should interfere out of basic human decency. (As well as prudence, since we're on a quest to get their support, dammit.) And Wynne does not attack because Morrigan is an apostate - she'll happily work alongside Morrigan if you insist on saving the mages. She'll only fight if you agree with Morrigan's let-them-die policy. Wynne straight up calls Morrigan out on her hypocrisy of her Fantasy Libertarian ideology by saying exactly that. She's very wrong in part because of Flemeth's teachings, but mostly because she's got an inflated opinion of herself thanks to being so sheltered.
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I dunno what happened to the Mass Effect thread but on this N7 Day Bioware released the Mass Effect Archies So if they ever get around to making a Mass Effect game you now have a save importer
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I've recently mounted a 4k TV by my computer and have been trying games out with a controller and I tried DA:I and it feel so much better with a controller. Finally passed the 1st initial starting area :V Anyways, the point of this is that I also got my friend to try out multiplayer and while it's fun with us 2, was wondering if there were also any DA:I multiplayer (PC) new people that wanted to play this Sunday or whenever. My friend is around level 7ish and I have multiple characters with the highest being level 12 or so. Let me know if you wanted to play some on Sunday, or hop in the generic SA discord and we can chat and set up a time.
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Replaying for the first time, beat it once before the DLC came out and let me just say. Whoever designed Terror Demons is a real piece of poo poo.
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A Sometimes Food posted:Replaying for the first time, beat it once before the DLC came out and let me just say. Design as in looks or gameplay? Because by looks alone I think Envy is a lot worse.
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Design as in looks or gameplay? Because by looks alone I think Envy is a lot worse. Envy is basically just that bug in Bethesda games where things go all stretchy
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SgtSteel91 posted:I dunno what happened to the Mass Effect thread but on this N7 Day Bioware released the Mass Effect Archies And here I was hoping you meant an Archie Comics crossover. Wouldn't be the strangest thing they've done!
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I'm in for Mass Effect 4 if it opens with the protracted, incontestable death of every major character from Andromeda as well as every last Quarian in the universe.
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On further replay impressions, I forgot Mother Giselle's musical scene. Goddamn in a history of incredibly cringe worthy moments this might be the worst Bioware has done. Other than her and the terror demons this is actually way better than I remember though, is it just better on Nightmare or did patches make the game smoother since release?SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Design as in looks or gameplay? Because by looks alone I think Envy is a lot worse. Gameplay. Teleporting AOE stuns are just obnoxious.
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A Sometimes Food posted:On further replay impressions, I forgot Mother Giselle's musical scene. Goddamn in a history of incredibly cringe worthy moments this might be the worst Bioware has done. 
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It's way better than Leliana's weird camp song from Origins.
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The Chargers song is worse than either by a country mile. All of them get muted or skipped, though
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Raygereio posted:Awkward confession time: I liked the Dawn Will Come scene. It's very obvious about trying to tug at your heart strings. But unlike for example the kid from Mass Effect 3, there's a build up to it. It just worked for me. The obvious answer is that Priscilla scene from the Witcher 3 floors inquisiton Sing-along and Lelianas song in Origins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSRX8qN5Uy0
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I laughed pretty hard the first time during both the song scenes because my first character in these games usually looks ridiculous. My mage warden had a dumb mustache and the camera kept zooming in on him looking all solemn during that scene. And then for Inquisition I was a big dumb looking Qunari with the British Male voice and it was funny watching a bunch of people sing and bow to him.
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The Mother Giselle song is pretty much Pippin’s song from LOTR, so you can’t hate it too much. It’s a decent song, although the performance / cutscene could’ve definitely been improved a lot.
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Smol posted:pretty much Pippin’s song from LOTR, so you can’t hate it too much. Watch me. 
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Smol posted:The Mother Giselle song is pretty much Pippin’s song from LOTR, so you can’t hate it too much. It’s a decent song, although the performance / cutscene could’ve definitely been improved a lot. That's exactly a reason to hate it though, being too on the nose adds to the embarrassment.
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Raygereio posted:Awkward confession time: I liked the Dawn Will Come scene. It's very obvious about trying to tug at your heart strings. But unlike for example the kid from Mass Effect 3, there's a build up to it. It just worked for me. Yea, I really enjoyed it. It captured the feeling of "Oh poo poo everything is ruined but we're still here" well.
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It’s not a bad scene per se, butShugojin posted:I can hate it because it's an unskippable cutscene and so I will.
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Shugojin posted:I can hate it because it's an unskippable cutscene and so I will. The solution is always playing things in a window. DA:I carries on going when you're tabbed out.
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