Burkion posted:

Which is very sad because when she first showed up, she was great. And her appearance in the Angels two parter was OK too. The Angels Two Parter kinda sucked, but you know.

BSam posted:

SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO SPARE PARTS.

Ms Boods posted:

Happy 51st anniversary, folks.

CobiWann posted:

Chucat posted:

I need to watch this again since on the first watch I just absolutely despised it and now I can't remember a single thing about the episode except Vincent is staring at a painting and the painting is moving.

Maybe I was delirious or something.

pgroce posted:

What if what we think of as Cybermen really aren't? Instead they're the expendable footsoldiers of the real Cyber race -- that is, the original inhabitants of Mondas -- who use them to establish Mondas's security without endangering any actual Mondasians. The goal is survival after all, right?

The Mondasians -- the "real" Cybermen -- would be cybernetic, too, but with very different priorities than what we think of as Cybermen. Presumably the Cyber-Controllers and whatnot would be Mondasians (or directly controlled by them), but they would operate at a safe remove. One can imagine Mondas carefully hidden out there, where the Mondasians stay alive for vast centuries. Maybe some occasionally die (a great systems failure) and some are still even occasionally born, connected to the Grid early on, growing into their cybernetic hardware as part of their development. Body horror ahoy.

This dovetails nicely with what PriorMarcus is saying, IMO. The "real" cybermen think and act more like he describes, with the protective force of Cyber-stooges projecting force well ahead of them.

If the priority is survival, don't fight wars -- not yourself, anyway. Every death is a failure. Instead, skulk and connive. If you require violence, create expendables to fight your battles for you -- the dumber the better, so they never present a threat to you. But not for the sake of conquest, only to keep the homeworld secret and safe. Only to make it easier to survive.

(Well, that was a fun piece of head-canon. Cybermen should be so much more, dammit. )

Kazy posted:

I just wish the show would give up on this weird forced conflict they're trying to do, it's sucked all the soul out of the show

Jet Jaguar posted:

Is there a Doctor Who episode set on a beach? Because today I've watched "The Ice Warriors"* and "Last Christmas" and I would love something set somewhere a little warmer.

* - Received for Christmas, loved the little factoid track that pointed out little things, like one of the scientists is Wallace from "Wallace and Gromit."

Hughlander posted:

Can somebody explain the reference, I'm way too tired.

2house2fly posted:

I wish he'd at least get some story arc lessons. His idea of developing a plot over a season is for Missy to show up and wave at the camera every couple of episodes.

Jerusalem posted:

In un-chronological related matters, is there ANYBODY who actually liked Kill the Moon? Outside of all the stuff that happens between Clara and the Doctor after the main storyline is resolved?

Cleretic posted:

While I can agree that I don't want the Boneless to become oversaturated, I love them enough that I want to see more of them. They're a great tool for making things that are just plain wrong; some of their work in Flatline is fantastic in making things terrifying in an unorthodox way. It's hard to describe how a flattened picture of a train on a wall is scary, but it still is, in its own way. The idea of a monster that can alter physical dimensions is ripe for loads of great sights that would be awesome to see crop up every so often over the years, although I'd struggle to think of a story/setting that would really suit them. An under-siege story set in an art gallery? Maybe their attempts to understand 3D reality result in MC Escher-style landscapes, because they haven't quite got it right.

Organza Quiz posted:

The part about "don't take your medication" was bad enough, but what really got me was "don't take these children to safety because it's better that they die with their families than grow up somewhere without parents." I mean yeah, growing up as space refugees would probably suck (although you'd think the Doctor, with all of time and space at his disposal, could find somewhere to put them where they would be taken care of reasonably) but is it really a fate worse than death? It's just glossed over as if it's a perfectly reasonable thing to think.

Organza Quiz posted:

Which reminds me, this is a post-Torchwood: Children of Earth world, although I guess that may have been one of those things swallowed up by the cracks in time. But the point is there have already been alien invaders who have used children as mouthpieces, and it was the start of the storyline and it was intensely creepy.

Glenn_Beckett posted:

In comparison to the year of specials. Season 8 is super good, except kill the moon, forest of the night, and the first half of deep breath.

Though, I do think it's legitimately very good. One of the best of the revival, imo.

Emerson Cod posted:

As I tell my writing team, if you swap the gender of your character and they suddenly make no sense, you've written a lovely character.

Soothing Vapors posted:

I can't believe the thread didn't somehow ruin this moment

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Is the "sorry, Van Gogh was still loving depressed and killed himself" bit at the end of Vincent and the Doctor or later in the series?

MrL_JaKiri posted:

TNG is old Star Trek

Gaz-L posted:

Why couldn't the BBC licence BF to do audios but not using the 12th Doctor or Clara? Maybe I'm dumb, but shouldn't that be easy to write into the contracts?

Gordon Shumway posted:

I'm bored so I'm watching Torchwood on Netflix. Wish me luck.