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Looks like Hagel is getting the bootquote:The officials described Mr. Obama’s decision to remove Mr. Hagel, 68, as a recognition that the threat from the Islamic State would require a different kind of skills than those that Mr. Hagel was brought on to employ. A Republican with military experience who was skeptical about the Iraq war, Mr. Hagel came in to manage the Afghanistan combat withdrawal and the shrinking Pentagon budget in the era of budget sequestration. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/u...v=top-news&_r=0 Good loving luck finding someone with a good idea of how to handle IS and the rest of the current generation islamists though. Can't think of anyone who has voiced anything aproaching concrete and workable plan, much less a doctrine. Not to mention all the conventional regional power wannabes in to keep in check. E: Was this the last republican in the top executive? Obummer! 
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:CNN questioning if we're seeing a new Obama now that midterms are over. No poo poo, it's a lame duck in his last two years of office. This is the time every president uses to do whatever he loving wants. You get amnesty, you get amnesty, EVERYBODY. GETS. AMNESTY! Anyone who pronounces Jesus with an H is hereby universally pardoned!
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If you want someone unbiased the best thing is usually to try and find some source that doesn't have an ideological dog in the fight. BBC is usually fairly good at these kinds of things, because they have no viewers to win from trying to rile people in the commonwealth over US internal politics. Makes it all a bit dry and factual, but at least you don't have them yap on about Benghazi or how this affects Malia Obamas 2060 election prospects. quote:Between Thanksgiving weekend and the slavering hordes of proles kicking in the doors of the local Wal-Mart Are the blacks rioting and burning down the city, or just looking for a good black friday deal? Join us at 5 for more of Wolf Blitzers giant holo-wall touchscreens and clips we stole from Vice' youtube channel! Courthouse fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Nov 24, 2014 |
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Obama Africanus posted:I'll Oxford style debate your rear end on this topic with time restrictions if you like, N4I. I would unironically pay good money to see this. Name your price and preferred charity.
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In Russia news, France finally stopped dithering and halted the delivery of it's 2 mistral class amphibious assault ships indefinitely. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30190069
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gfanikf posted:A department in Washington was actually planning to use it, but shelved it, after an "anonymous Internet libertarian" made insane amounts of foia requests on I want to say Seattle, that it's costing them a fortune and to the point where even the ACLU isn't defending the guy. So there is alao that, I'll have to find the article. Make him pay for the costs incurred then. So long as the cost per request is reasonable it shouldn't be noticeable for anyone not making absurd requests and plenty of govt institutions make you pay for all kinds of stuff. The practical stuff is nothing a nation that spends it's weekends hunting hill tribes with flying killer robots via world wide remote cannot figure out. The question is just convincing someone to fund it well enough to get it right. I'd think the societal gains from making dumb cops play nice, and being able to show whether the black guy had it comming would outweigh the costs. Hell, you could make the argument that whatever the purely economical cost it's probably less than tax losses from the aftermath of riots that could have been avoided if we had a simple way to prove what happened. As far as convincing, tell the right it's for recording the thugs and tell the left it's for recording The Man. I'm sure someone will get hosed by the justice system as a result, but if legal liability was a legitimate enough concern not to do something in America then you couldn't even get out of bed and brew a cup of coffee in the morning.
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Derek Dominoe posted:J.J. Abrams for new SecDef. I wanted to hate this and everyone who got hyped by it, but gently caress me if I didn't feel the goosebumps at seeing the X-wings fly in formation. gently caress you corporate owners of my childhood imagination, you got me again. 
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Genocide Tendency posted:If y'all really want a shim book, I might know a guy who knows a guy. It could probably happen for a reasonable price. A special edition you need 3d glasses and some of the good stuff to read.
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Accretionist posted:
Either they were going in for a surprise takedown or some dumb poo poo like that, and panicked. Or they were driving in trying to find the gunman, realizes he's the guy right in front of them, and panicked. From the way he flails and runs to the back of the car it wasn't some cold headed murder at any rate. Looks like they didn't know what they were doing and hosed up. Because I don't see anyone intentionally driving right up in the face of someone they think has a gun.
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Iranian F4 Phantoms have bombed IS in Diyala.  With rapprochement being the tune of the day, perhaps we can agree to let Iran have the bomb if they promise to only use it on marauding arabian islamists? Jarmak posted:The best part of that is its not even like they drove right up on him on the road, what they gently caress were they doing just barrelling across the grass? You don't get much more white privilege than worrying about the police ruining the grass while shooting blacks Courthouse fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Reuters is reporting that some type of poo poo broke at Zaporizhye NPP in Ukraine and while they're still claiming the damage is minor and there is no damage to the reactor, apparently poo poo broke November 28th and they've been trying to keep it close for 6 days, sooo A black day in Ukraine's otherwise spotless nuclear safety record.
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holocaust bloopers posted:The Warthog doesn't have afterburning engines. Cut that iraqi training bullshit and give it some then.
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quote:among Islamist commanders, it had been noticed that some of the French were beginning to want to leave. One Frenchman was rumoured to have been beheaded when he explained to the emir that he wanted to follow his friend who had already left. Frenchborn islamists hardly got there and already want to surrender the fight? And they say these young immigrant men can't be integrated into their host country's culture.
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Bolow posted:I feel like not assaulting a police officer is a good start for not getting shot Like most of the other cases, it looks like resisting arrest and trying to run away. And while I understand that the police have a legitimate cause to worry about some dumb gently caress shooting them to get out of a parking ticket, it does seem like as a general trend the threshold for assuming you are under threat justifying lethal force is a bit lower than it should be. Of course if someone had given me a gun back when I worked at the prison looney bin there would probably have been a few more vacancies than necessary. So I don't know that I can fault the individual officers for caring more about himself getting home to their family. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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lightpole posted:Shouldn't they work to stay out of those situations in the first place? The part where they are losing a fistfight alone. That's not very smart policing unless there's something I'm missing even if someone is breaking the law. I'd say solo policing is dumb beyond measure and all this could easily have been avoided by always being in pairs or more, but someone would just post a video of that fat guy getting strangled on the sidewalk for selling lose cigarettes.  quote:don't think anyone can actually blame the SF for attempting the rescue though Don't be silly, of course they will. And probably accuse them of having put the bullet in the journalists head themselves. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:gently caress that just carpet bomb any major cities the goatfuckers control with some of these bad boys What's the point of bombing religious fanatics hell bent on dragging their people back into the stone age, into the stone age? They seem to be doing a perfectly good job themselves.
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Bolow posted:How would we get the jews to shut the gently caress up without giving them a case of the prussian blues though? They both hate arabs though, plenty of common ground to find. Chances are that once they get the bomb we'll see things calm down a bit as people stop talking about how much they should bomb Tehran. They'll still say mean things about one another and gently caress around with proxies and espionage of course, but that's another story. Letting the local powers duke it out over the control over Mesopotamia would also mean they are busying themselves with other matters than trying to gain political points loving with the great/lesser satans.
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Accretionist posted:Haha, I hope that's just a rationalization for giving people time off to protest or something Professors know the idiot sheltered kids have been out trying to make a difference by spreading awareness instead of loving studying. And while the right thing to do would be to say gently caress em' and let them redo a semester, that means a poo poo ton of extra work for professors as well as makes the school look bad in the statistics. Which in turn gets the administration on the professors rear end. And since it's Coloumbia chances are it's enough students that they really can't be bothered handling all that poo poo. So it's easier to come up with some obvious bs reason to give them more time so not too many of the dumb fucks flunk the course.
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Spicy Guacamole posted:I am upset that other people are upset about things completely unrelated to them and which have no bearing on their lives! Hey, they're Columbia law students. What better extra curricular activity to have on your CV when you try to get into the ACLU?
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So apparently they are dropping the big congressional report on CIA clandestine activities during the WoT. And I don't know how to tell you guys this... but apparently they've been torturing some folks. 
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Vasudus posted:This is America, someone go and snag some highlights for me. People got tortured. As in 'no way to redefine or lawyer your way around it'-torture. A lot/most of this torture produced nothing of value. People were tortured despite the brass in charge knowing there was nothing of value to be gained from it, because gently caress em'. A few of those tortured were not actually enemies of the US. But rather enemies of whatever local warlord allied with the US, or just got fingered by someone who were themselves getting tortured. Still got tortured, because gently caress em'. So basically nothing we already didn't know. Only difference is it'll be more difficult to feign ignorance now. Someone might get scapegoated for it, but don't bet your house it'll be anyone important. quote:The big question I have is why won't anyone go to prison? Because the people deciding whether anyone should go to prison are also the ones who would go to prison if you were to let justice run it's logical course up the chain of command. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 9, 2014 |
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Best Friends posted:The percentage of people we killed in Iraq who fall into the "collateral damage/targeting mistake category" is at least a majority, probably a very strong majority. The figure I heard from a major on the rate of cars we shot up for suspected VBIED actually being a VBIED was something like 5%. I'd argue there is a distinct difference between shooting a car up because they weren't slowing down when people pointed guns at them, and slowly and methodically torturing someone you know is probably innocent.
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Victor Vermis posted:The idea that there are otherwise intelligent people out there who believe that (institution) needs to be purged of EVIL from the bottom-up or outside-in is something I always thought of as being solely in the wheelhouse of anti-govt gun-loving nutjobs, but here we are. Just replace doing EVIL on purpose with doing EVIL out of incompetence, to cover your own rear end, or being to chickenshit to tell the brass their orders/ideas/understanding of the subject at hand are horseshit, and purging becomes much more reasonable. Really a lot of the dumb poo poo people are saying in DnD becomes much more reasonable once you control for Hanlon's razor, and find&replace accordingly. quote:Yeah...this right here would have a huge impact on the criminal justice system. Minorities don't make up a disproportionate number of arrests (and victims for that matter) because cops have nothing better to do than harass brown people, and they don't make up a disproportionate number because they are somehow genetically predisposed to crime. So what you are saying is that the Browns are more criminal than the Whites? That's pretty loving racist IMO. Check your privilege. 
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Best Friends posted:Treating black people like white people has not caught on, maybe we should look into treating white people like black people.  America already leads the world in incarcerations, you gotta leave someone on the outside man. But as for the racism. I think the answer is that overt racism is pretty much gone or at least driven underground. What we are left with is prejudice, which is a whole nother can of worms. Many of these shootings were questions of police officers making split second decisions on whether they were under serious threat or not. And there is a pattern of officers feeling more threatened when a black kid puts his hand in his pocket than when a white kid does. Part of that is experience, personal or passed on. Because blacks are more likely to be poor or otherwise in social positions more conducive to violent crime, they are in fact more likely to have a weapon to pull. Which in turn leads to a lot of activity becoming "suspect" in the eyes of the law. As a socialist I'd probably categorize a lot of this as class warfare rather than race, but with the two overlapping to the degree they do it's hard to differentiate. I don't think cop reform is the answer. (although not trying to LARP military occupation of Iraq would help) What is needed is much broader, more boring, and hard to define, social progress. But such things are incredibly hard and slow, measured in generations and often suffering several setbacks and dead ends. And not something you can accomplish through a few campus sit ins and the occasional riot, but rather through the measured and dedicated action of the adult generations everyday actions throughout their lives. I:E Cspan stuff. quote:Yeah I get that. But when the rhetoric is coming from places other than my online nerd community I have to wonder if I've somehow become a racist old white male caricature overnight without even realizing it. My personal take on a lot of this, from various professions I've been in, is that the public is often right on the poo poo that needs to change but bad at identifying why those things are happening in the first place. And apart from telling you how much I hate the media of several different nations and political camps, I honestly don't have much productive to say on how to fix that. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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ActusRhesus posted:Except for...you know...all those times when it actually is. Except when it isn't. Which on the internet is a lot of the time, on account of a lot of people actually being that loving racist/stupid/biased.  quote:My political views are mostly centrist. According to D&D I don't exist. No, you're just trolling both sides equally quote:I love it when TCC idiots justify stealing because someone is going through withdrawal. Explaining does not equal Excusing. Although trying to figure out whether the OP or following posters understand the difference is always hard to ascertain, and the threads tend to go to poo poo over it. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Fister Roboto posted:[..bare-legged afghans..] Absolutely a tiny bit of it may be the literalist religious dudes' fault, but I don't want to sound like a racist or nothing AreWeDrunkYet posted:So basically the sentiment is "drugs should be legal, but as long as they aren't, gently caress it, might as well toss tens of thousands of petty criminals in prison"? Yes. The law is dumb, but until the democratic process has fixed it you should follow the law. It's not like you are Rosa Parks fighting for your human rights, lighting up a joint instead of (legally) boozing like an intelligent person. This is not rocket science. Once we have fixed the law everyone dumb enough to be breaking it would be released, but until then; follow the law numbskull. quote:Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani lady who got shot in the head for promoting female education, got the Nobel peace price today. I wonder how long it will be before someone back in Pakistan blows the rest of her brains out. That country appears to have made a point out of assassinating their own best and brightest. Probably not too long. Best hope the whole martyr thing works as well for energizing the not-murderous rear end in a top hat part of the population as it does for the islamists.
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Bolow posted:Selling heroin should be legal because it kills TCC posters Hard to argue this one..
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Booblord Zagats posted:Theoretically There's no way the common grunt won't be saddled with copious maintenance work, primarily while taking fire. The lowest bidder always finds a way. But apart from that, are lasers in any way approaching a point where they can be useful against hard targets? I understand how pumping what is essentially copious amounts of heat into a soft plane, speedboat, missile or vaporizing someones face is highly effective, but is this still true for stuff like incoming shells or IFVs/tanks? And to what degree can lasers be mitigated by reflective armour stuff? I know some time back the battleship enthusiasts were wanking furiously to the thought of lasers ending the era of planes and missiles, and making big floating armoured slabs with equally big guns a viable thing again. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 11, 2014 |
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ActusRhesus posted:seem to recall something about laser guns being possibly violations against the law of armed conflict. Just get a legal memo saying our photon guns are not lasers, and we're good. Bring back that Yoo guy, he was good at that stuff.
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nwin posted:So regarding the whole CIA thing and interrogation tactics, I just watched a news report from the head of the CIA discussing why they did what they did and how they got positive results which led to catching Osama. It's being released because it appears the people doing this stuff have been lying out their asses over what they were doing, and how well it worked, not only to media but to their own bosses. And much of it was made secret not to protect national security but to protect their own asses from having to take responsibility for breaking the law and general incompetence/disloyalty. I never understood that last argument, "if we hold the government accountable for breaking the law, that will aid and comfort our enemies!"
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Frosted Flake posted:To run with the Canada example, under the current legal rationale, would the Americans have been justified in acting against the FLQ during the October Crisis? Technically there was an armed terrorist group operating within Canada, beyond the abilities of the Canadian police to handle, because the War Measures Act was used. Since Canadian soldiers were employed domestically, and some civil liberties were suspended, does that mean that areas were unserviced by the Canadian state and the American government would be free to act? Eh, why not go all the way and use the powers annexed by the executive the way they have always been used historically; nuke the senate and declare yourself king. Under the bad rationales for why the president can kill peeps (and that's really the issue here, not that america can do stuff unilaterally but that the president can) -We can kill bad guys who threaten national security if we can't get to them by other means -We can kill them even if they are citizens -We can kill them even if they are in the US, if the threat is imminent enough (global/universal nature of the gwot) -The president gets to decide who is a "threat" to national security and what is considered "imminent", with essentially no oversight. Resolved; -Congress is the no.1 threat to the wellbeing and security of America -We cant get at them via the usual means of a functioning civilized nation -The president has the legal right to drone-strike Congress
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Does anyone have a decent grasp of proper, original, sharia law? Because a lot of people are trying to say this is no true islam, but on the other hand the bible is full of rules for owning slaves and treating women like cattle and the only way to stay a moral person by today's standards is ignoring an awful lot of the rules, because Jesus n' stuff. So are they correct in that ISIS interpretation is way out there, or does it just reflect that most these rules were written by desert tribes thousands of years ago?quote:"If she is a virgin, (her slave owner) can have intercourse with her immediately," ISIS explains, according to the MEMRI translation. "However, if she isn't, her uterus must be purified."  The everliving gently caress?You know, one tries to make the argument to idiot rightwingers that we shouldn't just go murder and torture our enemies because we're better than that, higher morals, greater civilization, rule of law, etc, etc. And then these people come along and suddenly my argument for not just taking the easy route and having the services whisking them away to some black site is that I do not trust the CIA to come up with sufficiently inhumane and depraved modes of torture for these kinds of people. Please tell me this is some anti-ISIS propaganda spinning stories, I'm loving trying to not turn into one of the  posters.
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maffew buildings posted:Honestly I am baffled that anyone would say "Tell me this is propaganda, this isn't confirmed by multiple sources is it, this is just a piece to further incite anger against ISIS?" Is your loving head so far up Hamid's sand pounding hole that the response is to try and rationalize away this might not be the truth, because God loving forbid the name of ISIS be dragged through the mud. The group that is on the regular murdering, raping and being reprehensible, the group that has raped God knows how many women and children, killed scores of men for having the audacity to be over the age of 12 and male in a town they just rolled in to, and somebody wants to say "This child raping thing, this is propaganda, right?" If your response to this poo poo is anything other than "gently caress these people, why are we not doing everything to exterminate them" then eat a loving bag of Thai lady boy AIDS dicks. Is child rape the loving bridge to far? loving really? I asked mostly because some of the alleged quotes veered from the outright evil to the cartoonishly so. Also because there was that whole thing about the media reporting ISIS was making female mutilation mandatory in Mosul, which turned out to be not true. http://gawker.com/experts-say-isiss-female-genital-mutilation-order-is-fa-1610815761 I just want us to be abandoning our humanity and giving people hummus rectal probings for the right reasons you guys. But more to the point it's the difference between believing we are better off just cleansing the world in nuclear fire, and believing we as the human race can rise above our base animal state and do great and good things with just a minimum of necessary focused photon based pruning of select populations. Perhaps one day we could even be delivering fiery laser death via remote controlled killer robots, backed by solid legal reasoning with proper documentation, accountability and failsafes. 
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maffew buildings posted:Uh did you ask these robots if they wanted to be built and used for this, you're not even giving them a choice. As a trans-droid this post is triggering me, smdh Of course, what the gently caress do you think "proper documentation, accountability and failsafes" means? In non-terrible news; if we do choose cleansing nuclear fire any innocent creatures we take with us go to heaven.  http://time.com/3631242/pope-francis-dogs-heaven-catholic-church/
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Genocide Tendency posted:Ok. Imma spell this out for anyone who might not have accepted a very simple truth. Isis is pure evil. Not cartoon poo poo, not bond style, we aren't even in Stephen king meets Michael chriton land. Nope, it's worse than that. The actual horrible truth is that ISIS is not all that special, and marauding bands of rapists and murderers is neither new nor uncommon today or through history. The major difference between them and all the murderous barbarians or civilization founding child molesters through history is that their brutality and contempt for human life and dignity is more starkly contrasted once put next to modern civilized morals. Because  if you think this kind of poo poo isn't exactly what was going on when Rome/Mongolia/Vikings/Crusaders/the Inca rode into town. I know we sanitize the gently caress out of history to the point that you'd think Caesar and friends were swell guys, but it's a big loving mistake thinking ISIS is some loving pinnacle of exceptional evil incomparable to every other time humans have been terrible to one another. History is replete with this poo poo. Because true evil is banal and mundane, not exceptional, and that's what makes it so loving scary. (same goes for Hitler and his ilk, main difference there wasn't that nazi's were worse than any other conquering people through history genociding the local undesireables. It was that the nazis were more determined and efficient at it) As to the anti-ISIS propaganda, the issue there is really not that we should be worrying about them having their image tarnished. It is the agendas pushed by said propaganda. And we would do well to notice them rather than just swallowing everything bad said about them, on the logic that they are evil so no harm in a few lies adding more. Because we have a history of evil Arabs being falsely accused, and as it turns out that is actually a big loving deal that ends up with the west getting stuck head first in the shitter. Hint; 
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Zeroisanumber posted:ISIS is what we have special operations dudes and drones for. Bomb the poo poo out of them from the air and give the Kurds a bunch of shiny new weapons and some hardasses with radios and laser targeters to call in airstrikes. We can throw money at this problem until they all die. Or just leave it alone in it's entirety. This war will crystallize into a proxy sunni v shia fight puppeteered by the local powers of either side, and guest staring Kurds, Jews plus the occasional minority nobody's heard about prior. Whatever the outcome the fight will be ugly, and the outcome will be bad regardless. Better to have it a bad outcome not involving the west for once and letting the locals clean up their own mess. The CIA and other services can drone and assassinate all they want, I have little to no confidence they will actually achieve any benefit to the west for it. At worst we'll end up fighting whoever we trained, a decade or two from now.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:Dude falls asleep only 16 hours into a siege. Are you loving kidding me. And no one thinks of loving jumping him. Seriously, out of two dozen hostages not a one wanted to be big poo poo and get all the pussy for a week or two?
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holocaust bloopers posted:There's a lot of reasons why this isn't smart. True. But this has never been a reason for people not doing stuff. quote:Reports are that one dude tried as old mate Jihad was falling asleep. He got blasted. Police moved in and created some airholes. Siege over. Alright, news I listened to just after it happened told it differently E; The Russian central bank just hiked the interest rate from 10.5% to 17%. The rubel has lost almost half of it's value during the year and it is unlikely the latest string of action by the central bank will be able to stop it. With the value of crude oil and gas continuing to fall and the west mulling over the next round of sanctions over the Ukrainian war it is unclear where any new equilibrium will be found. While Putin still has a solid 80-90% approval rating, confidence in the rubel is unsurprisingly less solid. And analyst people have started worrying about the risk of people withdrawing money to put in something more reliable, triggering a run on the banks. Of course, said western analysts may be more hoping for bad things for Russia than actually worrying and I havn't seen any of the serious papers do a big thing about the risks. Courthouse fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Frosted Flake posted:I feel like ruining the Russian economy (again) my have unexpected consequences. True, there is a long history of externally imposed economic hardships leading to despotic strongmen taking power and manipulating internal approval by launching wars on their neigh.... oh wait  SperginMcBadposter posted:Whats making it collapse? I wouldn't call it a collapse just yet. It certainly is nothing compared to the chaos after the dissolution of the USSR, which was an astounding fall from power and grace to decades of 3rd world country status. Despite much crowing from the west no banks have been falling and dissent is manageable, so far.. Rather it is that the current situation is unsustainable, and given another few years of western sanctions + falling of the oil and gas profits the Russian state relies on a collapse would come. So perhaps the discussion would be more about how Putin is going to have to react. He could try and wait it out, hoping for western resolve to falter or oil prices to surge back up. Or just give up and hand back crimea (not gonna happen). Or at worst double down on confrontation.
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