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Do what this guy said, but also buy a lovely winter beater and run it into the ground if you must. The 300ZX is too cool to let rust away. Spending a grand on a lovely beater is going to get you a lot more for your dollar than spending those same dollars trying to keep the 300ZX clean dailying it through the winter.slidebite posted:I'm going to counter that. Spend $30, fix the drat cables already, tackle the cooling issue and just drive the loving thing in the winter. It's not like that car is a collectors item at this point, if ever. If it rusts out/you run it in the ground so be it. But gently caress a ford escort. Vaguely where do you live? I'm sure we can find you something better than that.
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You have no idea how much joy it brings me, as an internet stranger, to finally see that negative lead replaced. I can sympathize with you on this one Sperg. AI has been harsh on you, but I know how it goes, spending the majority of your money on the kickin rad 80s car of your dreams, not having reliable employment, etc, it's very easy to feel like you're in too deep. I have (some) mechanical knowledge and my car is the literal exact opposite of a basket case like yours, but that does little to help that depressing feeling of being aware of everything wrong with the car and being too poor to buy expensive European parts feeling guilty while the list gradually gets bigger. The fact that I already know how to fix everything makes it even more soul-crushing. Luckily for AI I decided long ago not to make a thread because I foresaw the 24 pages of angry goons while I move along at snails pace with my thumb up my rear end. You seriously have your work cut out for you, and any sensible human being would sell this car the second it ran and never think about buying a Nissan again. You obviously love the car, and it will love you back with some (wrenching) therapy. One day she'll forget all about her abusive PO and you can ~ ride off into the sunset together ~ HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Sperglord Firecock posted:To be honest, the one car that I wanted more than anything else was an AE86, but finding one of those in the Chicagoland area without structural problems.... Hoo boy, now that would be a challenge. Buy an e30, it's literally the German version of the AE86 and there's tons of them. AE86 vs e30 is the best apples/oranges example of two cars I can think of. Or buy a Miata because you don't know anything about cars and it's a lot harder to dig yourself into a hole with the availability and cheapness of miata parts. Sperglord Firecock posted:Welp, figured that one out a little too late, unfortunately. I'll check out any car for you in the Seattle or Eastside area. I'm not a mechanical guru by any means but I own a flashlight and a pair of eyeballs and I've bought tons of used cars with minimal regrets to take that as you will.
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Fucknag posted:AE86/MR2 are good cars, but on top of the Toyota tax those two, and especially the AE86, tend to be way more expensive because dorifto. mr2 would be a good car for the op to literally kill himself in
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leica posted:Thats not an m edition but seems like a good deal as long as it has a clean title. new soft top/motor/no radio indicates theft recovery which usually means salvage title unless the owner paid for the new top and motor out of pocket. That miata looks decent but I'm getting red flags from the listing. Speaking of, op, you know that you're making yourself a massive car theft target if you're interested in stuff like 300zx's, ae86's, miatas, e30's, 240's, etc right? If I were OP I would take my time and wait for the right car instead of hopping right into the next rustbox.
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Black88GTA posted:Is a 20 year old, salvage title Miata with a ratty interior, missing stereo, new used engine, misaligned hood, cracked dash, and 150k miles on it really worth $3500? That just sounds insane to me. Oh, the ad lists it as a rebuilt title right there plain as day. OP don't buy that miata, it's guaranteed PO fuckery and insurance woes. Also that miata's worth like 1-1.5k tops and only then because it presumably runs and drives.
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leica posted:This is now the "help sperg find another car" thread. I don't feel like re-reading the thread, what part of the frozen northern hellscape does sperglord live in again? It really shouldn't be too hard to find him a fun and decent car.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I'm conflicted about doing something that evil straight out, but I think taking a can of Chassis Saver to it shows a best-faith effort and conceals the problem. I used to have these feelings as well until my own grandpa sold me a car in the dark and lied about/concealed the rot and accidents it had been in. Realized selling a car brings out the scumbag in everyone and that's just the name of the game. I've only ever bough one car (from an enthusiast) where the previous owner was up front and honest about the condition and flaws with the car, but it helped that I took the time to read through his entire post history on multiple forums before trusting a thing he said. So basically what I'm saying is spray it and sell it, who gives a gently caress. quote:Just buy a loving corolla/camry with your navy check and learn basic maintenance. Resist the urge to buy another basket case for the love of god. Universally accepted, but universally horrible advice. Corollas camrys civics etc are routinely beat to poo poo, neglected, and owned by teenagers and commuters who will drive it from A to B with zero maintenance until the wheels fall off. There's a long list of better, more interesting, and often better kept cars you can find for under 5k or whatever price range we're talking. Keep in mind these are words coming from someone who is telling OP to buy an e30, which is saying something. I'm not saying "don't buy a boring car," just "don't buy a civic, accord, camry, corolla, etc" OP take your time and search for the right car. Try to find something with maintenance history that was enthusiast owned. Don't just spring for the first thing that catches your attention or you'll end up repeating the same error. Buy a naturally aspirated car without a motor swap. You know how most car ads have a list of modifications? You want one that doesn't have that list. One where the list is stuff like "____ replaced with oem parts at _____ miles" Since you said you're willing to travel... If you want to buy a kickin rad 80's car again go buy it in Seattle/Oregon/California because rust isn't an issue over here and it's probably the best used car market in north america for cool/unique older stuff anyways. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Sperglord Firecock posted:oh jesus, this just popped up I would buy that for the asking price if it looks half as good as the pictures in real life, but yes it's a terrible idea for you to buy it.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Battery tray doesn't look great, I'd start looking at every piece of metal that's tied in there. Battery should have a better tie-down than that too, I bet. But... but... LOUVERS... Or just tell him not to buy it because gently caress sourcing parts for a 1970 opel gt. Upholstery is fixable or replaceable, seat foam/metal looks fine so the seats aren't hosed. Yep the car's a total deathtrap. I also suspect floorpan rust but it's not bad. Seriously though, don't buy it, I have a friend who's in DEEP trying to fix up an opel gt.
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Realtalk suggestion: If you find a rust-free decent-paint 5speed e30 specifically a 325is, 325es, or 318es without the e30 tax seriously snap it up. As long as the shell/paint is good, there are only a small handful of jobs that sperglord couldn't be walked through, literally everything you could want to do to the car is incredibly well documented on the internet, there's a very loving good bentley manual available for the car. The entire value of the car is in the shell paint and interior. Sure parts costs can be a bit high for some things (though a new motor is literal pennies) but it really isn't bad compared to any other car that comes to mind when I think "rwd, 50/50 weight distribution or close, limited slip diff, manual." Other than the Miata I really can't think of any other car that fits that bill while also having literal babby level writeups for any job you could think of widely available on the internet. Plus you'll never outgrow it, because like the Miata basically every motor swap imaginable has been done before and documented. Not to say it's a good suggestion, the chances of finding a good e30 that isn't taxed to poo poo in 2015 is pretty slim, but they do exist and you'd be a fool not to add 325is/325es/318is to your list of craigslist search terms. Friend of mine picked up a running 1989 325is 5sp with 7/10 paint and a 9/10 shell for $600 a few weeks ago, it happens. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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rscott posted:have you actually looked at the prices for e30s lately? Yeah but you can still find good ones for cheap if you filter through the poo poo. Sure a 325is will command top dollar, but it's not unreasonable to say he could find a 318is or 325es on the cheap, and they still get all the important sport package goodies. I'm constantly searching the west coast for e30's just to see what's out there and fairly priced good ones DO exist if you're patient. edit: and also OP said he was willing to shop out of state, specifically in the land of (north american) cheap rust free e30s. If wa/oregon/cali are in the range you're willing to go to buy a car there's some really good ones up here. e36 wouldn't be a bad idea either. It's not as good of a car by any metric but they can be had for cheap still.I HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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leica posted:Yes, it is horrible advice to recommend a relatively dependable vehicle to learn how to work on cars what was I thinking! You're right. 10 years ago. Have you seen the kind of condition a used corolla is in these days?
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leica posted:OP buy this man's truck asap. I agree this sounds like a solid plan and trucks are useful as gently caress. Gas prices are pretty low right now! Half the reason I suggested an e30 is because OP literally can't gently caress up an iron block i6. Once the transmission is sorted, I don't think OP could possibly gently caress anything up on that truck, it really doesn't get much simpler than a s6 manual f150. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Just to drive the point home how boring and unfun you would be to buy a camry, here's some e30's you can buy today for the price of a 90's camry or less, most of them 5speeds. I'm sure at least one of them's rust free! http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4858921704.html http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/4856367373.html http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4859048219.html I like how he has how the car is stored pictured http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/4857936770.html http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4852055925.html easy fix if PO isn't lying, and this one has an LSD, slight chance it's a 4.10 too... http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4855436436.html who gives a gently caress about seats you want sport seats anyways, this one looks v good http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/4857604177.html pro tier 5 speed swap candidate, plastic bumper 325i for 2k asking http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/4852985443.html comedy 600 dollar with a promisinglooking shell that doesn't run http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4857359969.html bet this guy would take 3500, kind of on the high side but manual ix's are p cool. we'll call this one 1999 camry territory And one I wish I could buy that's probably way too expensive http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/4847230739.html Here's one for an automatic convertible without any pictures. Plus he'll trade for Guns / rolex / men's gold/ silver / watches / cars / motorcycles / possibly cocaine http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/4838279667.html And here's one more up Sperglord's alley, a motor swap with issues, 3 different wheels including fake bbs's, and other mysteries! http://abbotsford.craigslist.ca/cto/4813577640.html Or, you know,  (that one's actually 5.5 thousand dollars, but I'm beginning to question if it really has "lather" seats like the ad claims) edit: oh I also found a broken electric vehicle converted e30 for 2 thousand dollars!!!1 http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/4842970774.html HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Don't buy a starion, I can't think of a car with more turbo lag and a more underwhelming delivery. I had a starion phase for a while and I'm telling you: don't do it, they're slow as poo poo and a lot of work. Super cool looking cars though. revmoo posted:Here is a helpful list Yeah don't listen to this guy. Prelude? Is300? Teggys? a loving Ford Probe? There's no way this can be a real serious post. This has to be a troll because there's a few actual serious & good recommendations sprinkled in (volvo 240, mustang gt, don't buy a mitsubishi, don't buy [most] nissans) rscott posted:The first three are poverty spec etas or an automatic convertible, literally the least desirable e30s besides the other one you linked, an m10 318i! Sport seats in good condition can easily run $200 each. Medium case LSDs run $400. Quite a few of those cars wouldn't make the trek back to Chicago in their current condition, so add another $800-$1k to get out trailered home (better hope the driver isn't tweaked out and doesn't gently caress your car up!), or pay someone out there to fix it who has you over a barrel. This guy doesn't know e30's. Shell and paint condition mean everything and specs/options mean gently caress-all. The poverty spec e30's are the best ones. Tan sport seats are like $50-100 tops and I see them given away for free regularly, nobody wants them. I was baked at 4am and thought that vert was a manual though, gently caress. That one actually looked p decent too. Again though, those weren't "hey buy this e30" links for op, they were just examples that you can buy an e30 and have a couple thousand dollars budget to fix it for the price of a 2001 camry with 200 thousand miles on it. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Lightbulb Out posted:I can't loving agree with this enough. Maybe if he had a hole or two in his head, he would have listened to our advice in the first place re: 300zx Mustang gt is probably the best balance between OP's desire for a rwd manual sports car, and something he can't possibly gently caress up. And they look good with louvers............. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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InitialDave posted:I don't understand why people are anti-E30? They're good cars, pretty easy to work on, and well supported. What's the issue? Because those posters don't know anything about e30's and lump them in with the maintanence/reliability reputation of more modern bmw's? I'm dead serious with the recommendation and I think it's both a car that would make OP happy, and a great babby's first car. Half the cars he's looking at have 80's/90's era turbos, I think it's a fair compromise to recommend a car that's sporty but naturally aspirated. Let's see, the e30 is dead simple to wrench on, the vast majority of the car can be disassembled with the supplied tool kit, indestructible iron block i6 vs all the turbocharged stuff OP wants to buy, literally any job he could ever want to do probably already has a play by play writeup with pictures on r3v/e30tech/etc. Outside of the mustang gt recommendation it really doesn't get more straightforward if OP is going to buy a sports car. Miata too but after thinking about it, OP's probably too big of a guy to enjoy driving a miata, I can guarantee he'd hate it. Outside of european parts costs and maybe 1 or 2 common pain in the rear end jobs like the flex disc, an e30 is just as easy for OP to wrench on as a camry. The same people telling him not to buy an e30 are recommending cars like the is300 and prelude. Just think about that for a second. The vast majority of cars being recommended or posted by OP are significantly less reliable, more difficult to work on, and specifically have a lot more electronic woes than an e30 would, but for some reason he's supposed to write off the e30 because he wouldn't be able to handle maintaining it? I agree with the overpriced argument 100%. If OP isn't willing to wait a month or two for an untaxed unfucked e30 to pop up he should buy a mustang gt or something instead. Untaxed good e30's exist in the PNW, they just sell quick so you have to be looking. Oregon's full of aging old people who own clean, stock, maintained e30's and don't have a clue what they're worth. Also I already posted that I would inspect any car he wants to buy near Seattle for free, and I think someone in Portland might have said the same thing. Can guarantee I wouldn't set him up with a lovely car. But seriously sperglord, whatever you do, buy something simple and naturally aspirated. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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rscott posted:Indestructible except if you overheat them which is really easy to do because god drat cooling system, they're timing belt driven interference motors etc Yeah but if OP can literally do one thing (inspect the cooling system when he buys the car, replace anything that's broken with oem parts, budget refreshing cooling system into initial cost of car) there isn't much else he can gently caress up. And if he does manage to gently caress the motor up, low mileage m20's are dirt cheap and it's child's play to swap a m20 into a m20. ^^^ Celica also a good recommendation, I just never really see good ones for sale so I didn't think to mention them. Worth adding to your craigslist search list though.
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TWSS posted:If you watched the op's video of him driving the nissan you can see that he doesn't actually know how to drive standard. He just revs to 2k and dumps the clutch. He needs something that doesn't have enough torque to let him cheat so he can actually learn how to use a clutch. i learned on the mr2 in a parking lot until I got an idea of how to feather the friction point. Or instead of basing the car he buys off of the fact that he doesn't know how to drive manual yet (which will last for a couple of months tops depending on how much he drives/how much city driving he does etc) he could go walk on to a lovely used car lot and test drive any random shitbox he sees with a manual, the shittier and slower the better. Or he'll just learn naturally in a few months anyways. We've all been there. Bolding that so Sperglord reads it and does exactly that, before he buys a new car. Mustang gt would be a bit easymode, but I think an eta or something would be just enough low end torque to not be so forgiving, but be forgiving enough that he can feel confident he won't roll into someone's car on a hill. Thing to note though, is that e30's have like double the clutch throw of most cars, which kind of forces you to learn where the bite point is etc. It's a pretty common occurrence for people who have been driving a stick their whole life to stall my e30 the first time they have a go at it. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Lightbulb Out posted:How many pages did it take to get this guy to replace his negative terminal? I wholeheartedly agree. Sperglord should not buy any car that's a basket case regardless of make/model. He works 2 blocks from his house, so he can afford to take his time to buy the right car. Op obviously wants a kickin rad 80's sports car. This is AI, who's to say he can't have it all? I think he should take a month or few and wait for a fairly priced & good mustang gt, e30, 3g celica, miata (if he can fit in one comfortably) or other fun NA manual car of his liking. For his own sake he should buy the car somewhere a goon can go look at it for him, which right now means Washington or Illinois. Although if op found something really promising in Oregon I would probably go drive out and look at it for some gas money. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Op's a big dude, he should go sit in a Miata before he goes and buys one in Portland, but otherwise I agree. If OP can deal with a 2 seater with a small trunk, the miata is just-as, if not more fun than an e30, a bit easier to work on (they are both easy cars though,) with cheaper parts, more parts availability, and more junkyard availability. The e30 suggestion is pretty much a compromise of the miata suggestion, trading off all that for a roomier interior/back seat/huge trunk. At the end of the day they're both fun, reliable, lightweight 5sp rwd cars that are easy to work on.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Uhhhh, what's wrong with Integras? If you want a cheap to run reliable car that can still fit 4-5 people* and has reasonable space but is also a decent performer you could do a lot worse than a RS, LS, or LS Special 3rd gen Integra or a Second gen RS/LS/GS. It's mainly what comes to mind when I think "manual integra previous owner." Nothing wrong with them, I just think the ratio of good ones to integras that were not previously owned by a 16 year old shadetree ebay mechanic are a bit on the slim side. Maybe it's different where he lives, but manual integras are universally beat to poo poo here. From what I've seen, the best way to get an unfucked integra is to buy a grandma-owned auto and swap the transmission, but there's no way Sperglord could do that. Plus I was trying to stick to recommending him cars vaguely similar to the 300zx that he could actually handle owning. So basically, sorry for lumping the integra in with the other bad suggestions. fwiw if he can find a good one, it's actually a really good choice for his needs and a good compromise between sporty and idiot proof (if he stays away from lovely parts) so long as he's fine with a FWD car. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Sperglord Firecock posted:So far, my plan is to save up and actually fly out with a Chicago Auto Goon (I pay for the ticket) to Seattle/Portland/LA/SanFran in the Spring (or earlier, depending on circumstances and how they work) whatever and drive back a car in working condition. I am perfectly willing to wait and save up, and there's a solid tidy $6,000 check coming my way shortly, so this isn't entirely out of the question. Looking at about $5000 or less for the car in question. This sounds like a v sensible approach. If you end up finding any cars you're serious about vaguely around Seattle or Tacoma, I don't mind checking them out and posting some pictures & trip report before you drop the money on traveling. I'm sure there's other west coast goons willing to do the same for other areas.
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Sperglord Firecock posted:TBH, I would be perfectly fine with an Integra, but pretty much that. I'm trying to avoid iffy PO fuckery this time, and most Integras seem to be in the category of "2FAST2FURIOUS LETS DO poo poo TO IT" rather than "eeeeh, let's keep it stock". Early model integras are awesome, one of my bucket list 80s cars.
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Sperglord Firecock posted:http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4858684753.html I know I said a mr2 would probably kill you, but you should blind buy this and post the results.
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Oh, he's also in 540i 6 speed territory. Maybe even e39 540i 6 speed territory. Or really clean i6 e39 w/ new cooling system territory.. I bet this dude would take 6.5k and this thing is sweet as hell. The interior/exterior combo is one of my favorites and p rare. http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=342625 Cool cheap celica, I don't know much about these but this looks promising http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/4841831404.html Unfucked supposedly garaged miata with no price http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/4856512981.html There were a bunch of other decent looking miatas but I don't know enough about them. comedy option http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4823307253.html HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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leica posted:Anyone else feel sorry for the poor bastard at steak n shake? Sperglord Firecock posted:
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SouthsideSaint posted:The dude works at steak and shake...he obviously hates himself already sooo.... I wonder how many hours the guy had to work at the steak n shake to buy sperdlord's 300zx
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Sperglord Firecock posted:Also, that Stanza Wagon, what's up with it? Because it looks awful. You were supposed to read the ad in 24's voice. 240sx is a good on-paper suggestion I personally didn't bother making earlier because I didn't think he would find an unfucked one. With op's new take time and buy the right car approach, it's another good fit for op. He'd be hard pressed to find a suitable one though, because he needs to stay away from any PO fuckery that isn't dead simple to correct. Good ones are doriftu taxed about as hard as e30's too, but they're within his budget easily. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Adiabatic posted:Well there ya go. That looks perfect! Seconding this, want me to go look at it? Could probably rip those hidzzz out and shampoo the carpet for you if you end up buying it. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Sperglord Firecock posted:Yes, all of the yes. tell the owner your friend from the internet wants to look at it and post an email address I can send my phone number to. I'm busy the next few days but I can probably figure something out with the owner next week. I don't know jack about 240's so I'll try to bring a friend who does. But at the very least I can give my impressions and tell you if its a rustbucket. Ad looks good to me but it would be nice to have an opinion from a goon who knows a thing or two about 240s.
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There's a pretty solid list of 80s weaboo cars in his price range that aren't any harder to maintain than a foxbody or camry or whatever you guys are suggesting he should do. Really don't understand the point of rehashing this.
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zundfolge posted:Counterpoint: OP can't even change a battery cable. counterpoint: how would op owning an accord instead of a 240sx or whatever affect this?
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