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joepinetree posted:Yeah, that is crazy. Olavo de Carvalho went from being the butt of many jokes on Orkut to being unironically quoted by relatively mainstream people. For non-Brazilians, Olavo de Carvalho is an ultra conservative "philosopher" and astrologist. No, the last part is not a joke. He is an honest to god astrologist. He at one point even had an article about how astrology explained the end of the cold war. Olavo was a joke and then he was the obscure mentor of a tiny group of paranoid conservatives and now he is gradually becoming the mastermind behind the brazilian neoconservatives. 5 years ago nobody knew who he was. Now we can hear regular (non crazy) people talking about "cultural marxism' and "Foro de São Paulo" in bar conversations. The left and the academy wont take him seriously, but the kids are listening to him. And a great part of those neoconservatives, who are getting more numerous every day, are teenage and young kids. And his books are selling like harry potter.
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If anyone who cant read portuguese is interested to check how crazy he actually is, there is his famous debate with Dugin, in english: http://debateolavodugin.blogspot.com.br But as I said before: he might be insane, but he is the real mentor of the current brazilian neoconservatives. More and more often we see non-crazy people parroting his ideas around and its getting worrisome.
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goatse.cx posted:This guy can't be for real. American Christian nationalism is the last bastion against Russochinese-Islamist globalism? What? That's basically his gimmick: he mimics crazy teaparty-like paranoia against communism, and then uses it to bash PT and social movements. And its selling like hotcakes (http://www.amazon.com.br/gp/bestsellers/books/7842837011/ref=zg_bs_nav_b_1_b) EDIT: and about that debate, I was rereading some parts. Its funny how even a radical conservative like Dugin seems pretty sane and reasonable compared to Olavo. Some highlights: quote:The Syndicate is an organization of big capitalists and international bankers committed to establishing a worldwide socialist dictatorship (we will see shortly why socialist). There are so many documents and studies that meticulously depict its origin, history, membership, and modus operandi that no excuse can be accepted for ignorance in this matter, most of all from people who intend to opine about it. No, this is not an insinuation against Professor Dugin. He is perfectly informed about it, and if he commits errors in the conclusions he presents, it is not due to ignorance. It is because the essentially bellicose nature of his approach impels him to divide the panorama into two symmetrically opposed halves, falsifying the whole picture and sending to the limbo of non-existence all the facts that refute this Manichean simplification. And the photo he uses to prove the difference between him and Dugin 
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Something very horrible happened in Brazil this week, a poor 10 years old boy was shot dead by the police, while just sitting in front of his house, in the favelas of Complexo do Alemão, Rio de Janeiro It caused quite an uproar nationwide, and once again the RJ so-called "pacification" program (the UPPs) are being questioned and criticized for militarizing the favelas and terrorizing its residents.   Very strong images 
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Badger of Basra posted:Can any of the Brazil posters explain to me what "terceirização" is, in terms of whatever this law the Congress wants to pass? I've read a couple articles about it and I'm still sort of confused. "terceirização" is like when a big company hires a specialized company to take care of their security or cleaning or IT, instead of hiring the staff for this functions directly. This is already legal. What changes is basically that if this new law passes, a car factory would be able to hire another company to actually work building cars on their factories, which is not legal now (you can only "tercerize" auxiliary functions like security etc).
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Badger of Basra posted:So is this a way to undermine unions? Pretty much. Specially, the union of "metalworkers" (people who work at car factories, I dont know if that is the right word in english) is very strong
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Polidoro posted:No, it's been legal for at least 40 years. He passed a law that changed absolutely nothing and he did it right on time to distract attention from one of he biggest corruption scandals in history Wait, what? Can you elaborate this a bit? I never heard of this. Here in Brazil everybody loves him, lots of friends want to move to Uruguay because he is so awesome and legalized marijuana and abortion and lives like a poor oldman.
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Polidoro posted:Consuming weed has been legal, like, forever here. I'm not really sure on dates on this. It was only illegal to buy and it still is because the law passed just to get headlines and then it wasn't actually enforced. You can't buy weed on pharmacies and probably never will because Tabaré Vazquez is against it. And it all happened right when a scandal involving our national airline getting sold was uncovered and the government lost over a hundred million dollars and made the Economy Minister resign. Then international press caught on it and started reporting non stop because people are obsessed with weed and dear Pepe liked being on the covers of papers so much that he spent the rest of his term trying to remain there. Well, that's disappointing. I though the production was going to be handled by the state. Im pretty sure Ive read that somewhere.
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Apr 8, 2015 22:38
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joepinetree posted:That ship has long sailed. PSDB was at one point a legit center left party. PSDB was a center left party (social democrats) before PT came into power. Then, as they became the opposition, they had to take the role of The Right, and they are pretty bad at it.
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Here is why we cant have nice things EDIT:  brasil.jpg Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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In an unexpcted turn of events, PSDB joined PT on trying to change the new terceirização law before it gets approved, by taking out the clause that allows "any kind of activity" to be outsourced. http://congressoemfoco.uol.com.br/noticias/psdb-e-pt-unem-se-para-acabar-com-terceirizacao-de-atividade-fim/ It still might not be enough, though. But it seems like the very bad repercussion of this law on most of the press and, specially, social networks, might have contribucted for this sudden change of mind.
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Arglebargle III posted:Is Latin America part of The West? Most countries, like Brazil and Argentina, desperately want to be western, but we always fall short on that. And I think most people from The West (specially americans and europeans) will never think of us as real westerners. We are either a marginal, subaltern part of The West, or we are something else (and not quite sure what that is). For most of the 20 century, LA were more inclined to be the former. Lately, it seems like we (at least the countries with leftwing governments) are trying to go for the later: being something else, free from american influence, aligned with new powers outside The West (Russia, China etc).
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May 18, 2015 22:44
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Badger of Basra posted:Owns. Not so much. The whole thing seems to have lost its momentum. Kim Kataguri (from MBL) is still walking to Brasilia, though.
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May 19, 2015 14:00
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Badger of Basra posted:Are there any other big PT names who could show up in 2022? Maybe Pimentel if he does okay as governor, or Haddad? Haddad is not popular even in São Paulo (maybe he can still change it, but it really does not looks like). I wopuld not bet in Lula 2018 either, the anti-PT rage is getting stronger every day and Dilma's abysmal popularity can sink even him.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Ehhh barely a hundred people went on the impeachment march this Wednesday and the whole thing has been losing steam since the terceirização and the teacher's strike debacles. Unless the media manages to find (or "find") a scandal that lasts more than a few weeks, Lula could still win due to his sheer popularity. And still I hear the "panelaços" (how could we say that in english?) everytime Dilma goes in TV and everywhere I hear people talking about how PT are all thieves and etc. The impeachment movement really lost steam, and nobody serious really believe it can happen anymore, but PETROBRAS scandal is still everyone's mind, and its been a lot more than a few weeks already. And nobody's forgot mensalão either. Also, there is a very probable recession coming (maybe already starting) that ought to hit the lower classes harder, as always, and it will be blamed on Dilma and PT. At the same time, I still see no possible opposition candidate with enough nationwide popularity to face Lula, so who knows.
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Markovnikov posted:Is that your equivalent of cacerolazos? I doubt there is a direct translation, enjoy our little socio-linguistic oddity. Yep, the act of beating pots in protest.
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A mayor from a small town in Minas Gerais, Brazil, was flying over his lands, throwing molotovs at the MST (Landless Workers' Movement) camp currently occupying it. And then he crashed. And died. http://g1.globo.com/mg/vales-mg/noticia/2015/07/aviao-cai-em-ocupacao-do-mst-em-tumiritinga-e-deixa-dois-mortos.html (in portuguese)
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:You guys took what, 20 years to clean the Tietê from being a death sludge river and now are trying to call out Rio? Tietê is still loving dirty. We brazilians are great at making a mess but really terrible at cleaning it afterwards. Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Is that really such an issue? I thought the success of the evangelicals in Latin America is that they would target specific communities with a more intensive level of effort that the Catholic church could hope to bring to bear. Since the Catholics are spread all over the country, and the evangelicals don't (or didn't, at least when they started) have to "defend" their flock they could disproportionately target certain sectors. Here in Brazil you can find evangelical churches in places that the catholics wont bother investing, inside favelas, small rural communities, anywhere. The smallest towns Ive visited in Brazil didint had a catholic church, but did had an Assembléia de Deus (evangelical church). They go where nobody wants to go, not the catholic church and not even the state, they have a simpler, more mundane theology: "do what we say and pay us you and you will get a job, your mother is going to be cured, your son will stop doing crack", simpler aesthetics, a more popular feel on everything, no latin, no bullshit. They are ever growing and gaining ground. And the catholics, while still the majority, are only losing ground.
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joepinetree posted:Hate to interrupt Argentina chat, but here's a reminder of how terrible the Brazilian right wing is. In the national college entrance exams this weekend, the theme of the essay was violence against women in society. Which is apparently an example of how PT is indoctrinating kids and using its power to promote feminist and communist causes. To be fair, most PT militants I know were celebrating this almost how it was Dilma herself who choose the theme.
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I dont know how much that is being covered by international media. Even here in Brazil news agencies dont seems to be taking it seriously enough. A dam of mining waste, belonging to mining giant Samarco (half BHP, half Vale do Rio Doce) have broke in Minas Gerais, the waste engulfing the town of Mariana and contaminating all the surrounding area, including a big river (Rio Doce, the very own river whose name the company uses). At least 6 people are dead, dozens are missing, the town is basically gone and the damage to the ecosystem is incommensurable, but already considered by specialists the worst ecological disaster in brazilian history. The waste were contaminated with heavy pollutants, including mercury, and now biologists are saying that the river is probably 100% dead. Federal government havent done much about it yet, besides setting a fine of R$ 250 millions for the company, which seems to be very light considering the extension and severity of the damage. Signs of company neglect are all over, even though they are trying to blame the disaster in some pretty low seismic activity detected in the area before the accident. Is pretty awful http://www.wsj.com/articles/anger-grows-in-brazil-after-dam-failures-1447379211 Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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hoiyes posted:Isn't the $250m only considered a provisional fine, with the proper cost of clean up and legal action still incoming? I read it was probably going to run into several billion dollars of payments. Yeah, this is the IBAMA fine for environmental damages. Now prosecutors are talking about much larger reparations, R$ 1 billion or so I've read.
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ZearothK posted:Estimated between R$ 10 billion and R$ 14 billion in damages currently, or approximately seven dollars. From what Ive read, those are the estimated damage figures. I really doubt Samarco will pay for this.
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The brazilian toxic mud apocalypse keeps getting worse everyday, most people are still not caring. Here is a nice view of the mud arriving at the beaches in Espirito Santo:  http://www.smh.com.au/world/bhpvale-samarco-dam-mud-reaches-atlantic-ocean-in-brazils-worst-environmental-disaster-20151124-gl6ma5.html
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Dias posted:i dunno guys it doesn't look that bad looks like a Rio Grande do Sul beach looks Here is a before/after picture for you:  It is really bad  There is also a pretty real possibility of the mud reaching as far as Bahia. EDIT: here some awful pictures of Regência, former surf beach and tourist heaven http://g1.globo.com/espirito-santo/fotos/2015/11/fotos-rejeitos-fazem-da-praia-de-regencia-um-mar-de-lama.html
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Polidoro posted:Peronism is ideology-fluid I always understood it as something vaguely socialist, very authoritarian , and in the South American populist and paternalistic tradition. And people will get into heated debates about it being rightist or leftist.
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Polidoro posted:Well, looking from the other side of the charco Peronism is a clown car of ideas but in the end ideas don't matter because it's just a cult of personality. Lula here in Brasil
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Constant Hamprince posted:Argentina was aligned with the Axis during WWII, it's basically Fascism-lite. yeah, I know, but isn't Kirchnerism a kind of Peronism and is considered left? is really confusing. TheLovablePlutonis posted:Lula and Mujica are cool They are, but both were subject of the same kind of personality cult., I think.
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Polidoro posted:I voted for Mujica and will regret it all my life. He was the worst president I can remember. why? he seemed pretty cool from the outside.
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This is Rio de Janeiro: "Iraqui man survives 2 wars, comes to Rio and is robbed"
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ArfJason posted:i doubt that in the history of mankind there has ever been a corruption free government, just due to human nature and the fact that there are so many cogs in the machine, one is bound to mess up. And yeah, after that La Nacion article that told people to stop seeking revenge against the military men who headed the coup, I fully expect some revisionism, and a lot of new scandals to suddenly pop up, quite a few of them fake too. True that but in some places, like Brazil, it is something special. I dont think there are many places in the world where corruptions is so widespread and common. Not only on the government either: there seems to be a tendency to dishonesty here at every level and class of society, from the most miserable to the richest. And PT cant get away with "oh it is a systemic issue it was like this when we got here, we just played along!" after spending the decades before getting to power raging against corruption and posing as the only alternative to it.
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joepinetree posted:As an aside, Temer leaked a letter he sent to Dilma earlier this week. The letter is first of all telling in its content, in which he complains that PMDB and his allies did not have enough positions in the government (which is something amazing in that it is not true but also openly admits the "key positions for support" deal). The main take away from it is that Temer is now openly campaigning for the impeachment. 
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bagual posted:People are fighting over Cunha's process in the ethics committee, this is gonna get really stupid before it's over. Also, at there was a christmas dinner yesterday in Brasilia, minister Katia Abreu threw a glass of wisky at José Serra's face after some innapropriate joke from him. Brazilian politics are becoming a trashy reality show.
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My Imaginary GF posted:How well are those Syrian refugees y'all took in down there integrating into your cavalier, carnival culture? Mostly not very well http://graphics.latimes.com/syria-to-brazil/
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Finally our brave media reporters are taking that scoundrel Lula to task. I wonder how he will explain away buying a fishing barge worth a whopping four thousand reais. You know is not about the boat itself. The boat is being used as further proof that Sítio Santa Bárbara, which was reformed by OAS apparently for free, belongs to him EDIT: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv it looks pretty suspicious, if you ask me Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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"Drunk monkey attacks people with a Knife in Brazil. The monkey was running around the bar, attacking only men , not women. As people were leaving the place , the monkey was drinking the cachaça that was left in the cups." says the sergeant , who managed to disarm the animal. Named Chico the monkey follows "detained " in the 4th Battalion waiting for a decision from IBAMA on your destination" http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a00_1455284909
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