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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Frijolero posted:

Firstly, gently caress you. Imperialism is the reason Latin America has been consistently poor and unstable.

Secondly, it seems like your main gripe is with Bachelet and social democrats. So what?

Thirdly, I feel like the fuel to your anger is "How dare those workers demand more pay in a time like this???" Well you should realize that those wages will be a miniscule part of the budget. Also, there is nothing but benefits by paying people more. Especially people who do important public poo poo.

He's a Pinochet apologist really a good reason for taking away sociopaths rights.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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So is there any good place I can find information about Honduras. I really want to know what are the chances of the place ever turning itself around from the self inflicted wounds it has made on itself.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
What are the chances of a coup? Being that my knowledge of Brazil is pretty sparse I hope to God that this doesn't send Latin America back into the dark ages,

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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joepinetree posted:

Let me provide some of the Olavo de Carvalho highlights to the uninitiated:

- Because of the gay rights movements, there are now books teaching kids how to perform oral sex on elephants
- Marxism and darwinism were both born out of satanism
- Humans don't need brains to live
- Scientists can't tell human and chimpanzee fetuses apart.
- Fossil fuels don't exist, as scientists have found hydrocarbons in a galaxy "na puta que pariu," where they never had dinosaurs.
- And my absolute favorite: the law of inertia is fake and Isaac Newton was stupid.


As a friend once said, these MBL and Olavete folks aren't libertarian. They are feudal plutocrats. They rail against quotas in the public universities, but not the provision of free public universities themselves. They rail against the income tax (which is the only part of the Brazilian tax code that is moderately progressive, but that only makes about 1/4 of all tax receipts), but not consumption tax. They, like most of the upper classes, rail against bolsa familia, but not against the salaries of the judiciary branch (since most of them are trying to get work there).

How can anyone trust a loving astrologer? :psyduck:

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
This man is literally insane, like this is timecube level insanity. Seriously why hasn't he been committed? I could swear he seems like a villain from a Robert Anton WIlson novel.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

joepinetree posted:

Things in Brazil are getting bizarre. Aecio has decided that the opposition should go for the impeachment, and PT's treasurer has been arrested, and some in the opposition are calling for the banning of PT. Now, the reason why this is bizarre is not because PT is innocent. But because, once again, all the evidence against Dilma and the PT comes from the depositions of people who named Aecio and PSDB in the exact same schemes.

How is it constitutional to do that? Also who in their right mind would want to ban a relatively complacent and imploding left wing party, that sounds like a great way to embolden the supporters of said opposition and also make them less supportive of gradual solutions.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

joepinetree posted:

The same way that PT's people involved in the mensalao were put in jail, but the people from PSDB who had a similar scheme still have not been tried: friendly judges and a willingness to exploit every single loophole without being called on it. So, for example, the PSDB mensalao happened before the PT mensalao. The PT mensalao has been tried and people went to jail. The PSDB one hasn't. Brazil has a law that establishes that elected officials have to be tried at higher level courts. So what PSDB did was that they exhausted all appeals at these higher federal level courts, and the second they lost all of them and the trial was about to start, the involved resigned their elected positions. And so the judge decided that they could no longer be tried at the higher level courts, so it all started from scratch at the state level courts, where Aecio was governor and helped stall it. Soon the statute of limitations will run out. So you end with situations like that of Marcos Valerio. Marcos Valerio was involved in the money laundering of both the PT and PSDB schemes. He was tried and is in jail because of the PT scheme, but hasn't been tried yet on the PSDB scheme (even though the PSDB scheme preceeded the PT one).


Edit:
Not to mention the most hilariously corrupt supreme court justice in all of Latin America, Gilmar Mendes (old PSDB appointee). There was a recent court case regarding campaign finance, and the result was 6-1 in favor of more restrictions on campaign finance (supreme court votes are public). So it was essentially a done deal (there are 11 justices), and the restrictions were about to go into place. Mendes used a procedure through which a justice can ask for an extension so that he or she can consider the matter more carefully. And so the decision cannot be made official because he still pondering his vote, despite the fact that even if everyone else voted against it the majority still favored the campaign finance reform.

Oh I understand evil politicking, I don't understand politicking that just invites backlash and generally bites you in the rear end, like banning another political party.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

joepinetree posted:

The goal here is less actually dismantling PT and more to keep the "PT is a criminal organization that should be terminated" narrative going.

How is that going to work when there are other left wing parties for people to go to? Do you ban them as well? Well I do not doubt that there are a large number of sub humans who should be in prison camps in the Brazilian upper classes who really do think that the generals era was a wonderful time, I cannot believe that most really think that banning the entire left would actually help their long term bottom line. Hell this would probably lead to left wing governments in other parts of South America deciding that they couldn't risk being couped and decapitating their opposition.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

PSDB voting to end presidential reelection on the Congress is amazing. loving incredible.

So they want to make running for reelection impossible?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Future Days posted:

Latin American far left dot jaypeg


"This victory by the PRO (Center-right party) is a maneuver by the (Clarin, a media) corporation to divert attention from the visit of the Peronist pope to our America."

:shepface:
Yeah Peronism seems to make me think is what would have happned if Huey Long had taken over the democrats.

BTW I saw this article on Gizmodo, being that we all loved Reagan Book and Freedom book, the place sounds wonderful. (Plus I despise evangelicalism as a general rule wherever it infests).


http://gizmodo.com/how-hard-is-it-to-get-kicked-off-brazils-sin-free-fac-1715979391

Gizmodo posted:

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?
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Filed to: O Holy Site 7/06/15 1:32pm

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

Evangelical Christians in Brazil are going louco for Faceglória, a new, “sin-free” Facebook knockoff for the very religious. Since launching a month ago, Faceglória has over 100,000 users pressing “Amen” instead of “like.” It also has strict posting policies: No swear words, no violence, no gay content or erotica, definitely no gory gay erotica. The emphasis on purity made us wonder: How hard is it to get kicked off South America’s holiest social site?

I made a profile to find out, choosing the digital mien of an ardent fan of the rap-rock pioneer and Florida native William “Fred” Durst. The Faceglória team has an automated moderation system that prohibits posting over 600 bad/offensive/swear words—if you try to publish a status update with an offending word or phrase, it won’t let you. After Googling “most offensive Brazilian Portuguese swears” I tried to tell my new Faceglória friends that they are fuckers, but I was quickly rebuffed by this system.

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

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HOWEVER: It does not have a filter for English swear words, which means I could spout all the derogatory nonsense I wanted in my native tongue. To test the waters, I posted the lyrics to his group Limp Bizkit’s seminal 1999 anthem “Nookie,” which contains an explicit description of the emotional effects of cuckolding.

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

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It went up without a hitch! I even got an “Amen” from one of my new internet friends. The posts on Faceglória aren’t so different than stuff you see on Facebook: Boring photo albums and inaccurate Morgan Freeman quotes abound, and none of my new friends so far have deemed it necessary to flag my sinful postings.

Faceglória is moderated by volunteers who scrutinize content for unholiness, including bikini selfies and photos with cigarettes and alcohol. Still, when I attempted a posting spree that checked off every no-no sinbox on the list, all of my posts went through.

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

I considered posting Goatse to truly test the outer limits of the community tolerance, but it makes me physically ill to look at Goatse so I didn’t do that. Instead, I went the full throttle Jesus erotica route.

How Hard Is It to Get Kicked Off Brazil's "Sin-Free" Facebook?

Yet, still, my Fred Durst profile remained active, my feed full of exuberantly profane posts. The Facebook imitator’s content moderation is too full of holes to stay holy.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
So I found this out from the Gaurdian that the dictator of Honduras is not suprisingly a corrupt sociopath and there was a huge protest there recently concerning his actions.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/04/honduras-protesters-stage-biggest-march-yet-to-demand-president-resign


Teh Grauniad" posted:

Honduras protesters stage biggest march yet to demand president resign

Estimated 60,000 Hondurans gather in capital Tegucigalpa for a sixth week, calling for Juan Orlando Hernández to step down over corruption claims
Protesters march on the Presidential House on Friday.
Protesters march on the Presidential House on Friday. Photograph: Fernando Antonio/AP

Reuters

Friday 3 July 2015 23.50 EDT
Last modified on Thursday 9 July 2015 13.04 EDT

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Tens of thousands Hondurans poured onto the streets of the capital Tegucigalpa on Friday to demand the resignation of the president, Juan Orlando Hernández, in the biggest demonstration yet against the country’s leader over allegations of corruption.

An estimated 60,000 demonstrators, many holding torches, took part in the noisy protest that converged on the presidential palace for what was the sixth Friday-evening march in a row.

“No more corruption, JOH out,” protesters called, chanting the president’s initials.

A coalition of opposition political groups is demanding an independent probe into a $200m corruption scandal at the Honduran Institute of Social Security, where companies, some formed by institute officials, overcharged for services.

The opposition groups want an independent prosecutorial team staffed by foreigners, similar to a United Nations-backed commission that has led corruption probes in neighbouring Guatemala.

Hernandez has admitted his 2013 presidential campaign took $150,000 from firms linked to the scandal, but said that he and his party did not know where the money was from.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
So any decent new source about the protests in Honduras? I mean besides the fact that the coup regimes current leader makes a buffoon like Zelaya look like Nelson Mandela.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

rockopete posted:

The Catholic Church didn't mind working with the Mormons to get Prop 8 passed in California. Any chance it might be similar with evangelicals in Chile, a common enemy in godless socialism? Or are the perceived differences too great?

More generally, how much truth is there to reports of the displacement of the RCC by pentecostals/evangelicals in Latin America? As someone living in the US, from here it looks both fascinating and depressing. Not a big fan of the RCC, but politically they're definitely the lesser evil up here.

I've heard alot of the evangelicals being in the middle class, maybe the fact that the RCC tries to be communal is why so man are turning to souless evangelicalism. Evangelicals very much are about being "spiritual in a individual sense". And while extolling "personal responsibility" really have no real patience for ideas like greater responsibility for the whole. So they turn to what tells them its all about them.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Loved the women who said {"he joins Hitler Goebbels, Goering, and Himmler in Heaven, because all people who commit suicide go there."

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
wasn't the monarchy not complete poo poo stains?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Future Days posted:

Let me be the first one to say: "lol arg elections."

That's all you should know.

Oh lol another Peronist. At least if it was Cru you'd get a party that is open about being lovely.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
I'm wondering but how likley is it that the violence in Honduras escalates?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
Brazil do yourself a favor and bring back the Inqusition.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Evangelicals are a goddamn plague

Well the office of the Inqusition sill exists.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

joepinetree posted:

With the impeachment all but a certainty, certain groups have started advocating for new elections this year. So PMDB has decided to call any new elections a "coup."

Oh lol. Seriously is Irony like completely dead in Brazil?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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nerdz posted:

the pro-Trump posts on Olavo de Carvalho's facebook page are hilarious. He's declaring that Trump already won this election when even Bernie would beat him. As if being a creationist astrologer wasn't stupid enough for most people.

Doesn't that sub human live in Virginia?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

fnox posted:

Good god no. Learn from your neighbors, this is the last thing Latin America needs.

It certainly needs a mass reduction of sociopaths. Preferably involving the guilotine.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Randarkman posted:

Yeah applied to the people calling for using said guillotine.
What a country such as Brazil needs in its situation is responsible government and measures against corruption to create the space where actual economic and social reforms can be implemented. What it does not need is a spiral of violence, chaos and societal breakdown.

Jesus Christ

Frankly until the people who only see the country as their personal toy are fertilizer and people know that believing that makes you fertilizer the country will have problems. Oligarchs must be ground down.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Negrostrike posted:

Great. Brazil's turning into a theocracy, Venezuelans having to scavenge food from trash on the streets and Argentina's banning Justin Bieber from performing there. This is the end of South America as we know it and I don't feel fine.

Argentina is banning Justin Bieber because frankly his criminal antics are not wanted.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Sephyr posted:

Plenty of them are completely fine with it. They wanted to kick PT off the government and purge even milquetoast left people from all positions of power, and they got their wish.

A guy who used to be one of my best friends before libertarianism/racism ate his brain in the past 3 years basically went from "This country needs to be scoured clean of leftism and corruption!!" to "We need stability now! Anyone flinging mud at the new government should be arrested and beaten!" over the course of this weekend.

There's no hyperbole in the 'arrested and beaten' part, either. It's a common feeling in dealing with protests and anyone who doesn't...know their place.

There are people who were earnest in fighting corruption, of course. But they were never the real engine of the movement, and most of them now just feel baffled and discouraged. My father hates PT and Dilma beyond all reason, but even he felt ashamed during the Congress Vote to impeach her.
Well looks like your friend needs a labor camp to straighten him out.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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punk rebel ecks posted:

Jacobin is hardly perfect or the most accurate news source, but I'll easily take it over the Huffington Post or even The New Republic.
Or Salon.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

joepinetree posted:

Besides the whole "stopping lava jato," bit, today we had a good reminder of the real reason Temer is now president. Today the new government announced a proposal for a constitutional amendment that would permanently set a public spending maximum. Going forward, public spending would only be allowed to increase by the inflation rate. The proportion to be spent in healthcare and education would also be specifically linked to these increases. The only type of public spending that would not be tied to inflation going forward is interest rate repayments. Note that we are not talking about spending for next year or during the crisis, but of a constitutional amendment.

That literally would gently caress Brazil come any major downturn.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

I thought you were going to post their pro incest and pedophilia articles. But nice to switch up what makes one want to vomit with what makes one want to laugh. Also Jacobin actually now is moving against Venezuela. I suspect Salon as always being the magazine of the contrarian left will defend it.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Mans posted:

right wing brazillians are legit scary to talk to in real life.


i'm not sure how no one hasn't made a "red dawn" style movie but where cubans come out of the favelas to destroy the pure white ethnic german Brazilians who are the only honest hard-working folks in the country supporting the masses dependant on bolsa familia, which is just cuban marxist propaganda.

Now if you just had it with the pure light skinned brazillians being openly social darwinist and being a bunch of rapists and then the favela dwellers finally dealing with them and that being treated as a good ending.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Actually it is a good excuse, and democracy isn't always the best form of government.

Its preferable to what Pinochet brought. I'll say a dictatorship is only fine if you're exterminating a entrenched oligarchy.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

So would have preferred Chile to have become yet another Cuba or Venezuela?

Didn't know there was a entrenched oligarchy there at the time. I think Allende was an ineffective leader who needed to be removed through an election. Also I would have no problem with an entrenched oligarchy like the Saudis getting purged. But then sociopaths always do like theocratic murderous oligarchs.

Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 22, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

I don't think every dumbass and simpleton should be allowed to take decisions.
Neither should sociopaths, but then you're still here.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Do you call "sociopath" anyone with a dissenting opinion?

If you like Oligarchy, you're a sociopath. Meritocracy is nothing but a word used by those too cowardly to admit it.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Classic D&D and their hatred of successful people.


Oligarchs sucess is built on stealing from others. So exterminating them is like laying mouse traps out if you discover mice in your house. Its common sense.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

This is why I never take leftists seriously.

Hey well of course you cannot see it that way. Sociopaths only recognize only power. That is why its good to make your kind fear your nature.

Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 22, 2016

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Lol this is truly peak tumblr.

I could care less about some idiots gender identity. I just know when to identify the mentally unsound and recognize that fear tends to keep you creatures in your place.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

qnqnx posted:

Obsession with mental sanity, insistence on fear... must be the D&D version of an internet tough guy. Fly away troll.

Hey I just tell it as it is. Sorry it triggers you.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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qnqnx posted:

You sure like to use tumblr speech, anything to confess?

Whats with you and Tumbler? Did some one demanding to be called Vir or whatever flavor of the month word own you or something?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Winter Rose posted:

My husband is Mexican, and his parents are staunch Democrats in the US but support the PAN (center right) in Mexico. I don't really get it.

Well being that the other parties to choose are PRI who are extremely corrupt, and a party who after getting trounced in elections refused the results I can't blame them at the moment.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Yeah Brazilians you need a Robespierre.

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