CM Punk signs with UFC

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Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Bubba Smith posted:

25% odds is pretty good when mickey gall's most notable win is over a boxing journalist or whatever

CM Punk has the exact same record and level of experience in pro mma as that guy though.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2016 14:47

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 09:12

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Herr Tog posted:

So should I bet on MMA?

The answer to this question is simultaneously "never" and "always."

It is a phenomenon known as the Jase Paradox.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2016 04:44

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Herr Tog posted:

So is the list up yet of the bars with the PPV that I go and shout at people and tvs?

I doubt many have even ordered 203 yet (if any at all) but use this when it gets closer to the time of the fight.

https://bars.ufc.com/

More likely than not, most bars ordering UFC 202 this weekend will also be ordering 203, so you can get an idea of your options now at least.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2016 19:36

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

To be fair, I think people tend to agree Sage is reasonably good at the things in MMA he actually has been training for his whole life. It's the other aspects people mock.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2016 15:03

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

MysteryNad posted:

Badr Hari had 1 or 2 mma fights right? If so then, he's #1 P4P POS

Joe Son stabbed his cell mate to death, while in jail for gang rape.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2016 19:22

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Keg posted:

I liked the shower scenes in this week's episode.

Also Lars Fredrickson is in it for some reason.

Didn't you read his tagline? He is Lars Fredrickson, Phil's Friend

# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 22:24

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Keg posted:

I once got drunk

Keg posted:

I am also CM Punk's friend.

Keg buddy I got some bad news for you

# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 22:32

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

rovert posted:

With the strongest possible whatever it is worth proviso:

I heard CM Punk is already telling people in the gym he is hurt but can't back out. His knee, shoulder and wrist are all issues. Expect the wasn't able to train excuse if/when he loses.

In the two years I had to prepare for this fight, I was only able to train, like... 18 months of them!

# ¿ Aug 31, 2016 14:38

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

I don't know if the wrestle posters know this but frontrowbrian is an extremely unreliable source. That said if they aren't twitter mutuals anymore or whatever there's probably at least some truth to it

# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 14:28

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Stealth Tiger posted:

Someone please tell me more stories about Hornswoggle being an rear end in a top hat

He said a lot of disrespectful and borderline racist things about these Brazilian and Mexican guys he was matched up with, he ducked one of the best wrestlers in the game, and when he finally lost a match he called his own rematch and refused to do any promos for it so he got pulled from the biggest ppv of the year

E: wait sorry that's the wrong one

# ¿ Sep 2, 2016 19:50

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Let's all continue to get drunk and discuss Dave Meltzer's sexy body itt, everyone

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 15:50

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

MysticalMachineGun posted:

I'm 33 and I wish I looked like 52 year old Dave "Big Sexy" "Sexual Chocolate" "The Wrestling Sex-server" Meltzer.

Same and I hope your gift of a large tract of land from the governor leads to a very fruitful retirement and happy marriage to his attractive-or-prettier daughter

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 15:58

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Good poo poo

# ¿ Sep 4, 2016 19:47

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

IcePhoenix posted:

This isn't meant to be any sort of insight to the fight but pro wrestlers (especially guys like Punk) tend to have ridiculous cardio, yeah. If I had to pick one thing for Punk to worry least about it would probably be his ability to not gas out if a fight went the distance.

That's also a bit moot though because I don't think anyone expects it to go the distance.

In MMA it is not really an accepted thing for both guys lay on the ground and pretend to be hurt for a few seconds as an excuse to catch their breath, although if your exposure to the sport is based on The Ultimate Fighter and Kimbo Slice I could see how you might believe that.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 03:55

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

"Heh heh heh... this isn't even 30% of my core competency!" Frieza smirks as he stands upright, tucks his chin in and actually makes a marginal attempt to move his head out of the way of Goku's strikes

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 20:29

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

It's the middle fight on the main card. There has only been like one time in history where a non title fight was main over a title fight.

Wikipedia lists fights in descending order they will appear, for example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_203

# ¿ Sep 7, 2016 20:54

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Hello wrestle friends, enjoy this GDT from me to you. May you all find enlightenment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3789373

# ¿ Sep 8, 2016 02:11

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

GSP, the living embodiment of the Greek ideal of beauty, never looked good in a suit due to the size of his shoulders in proportion to the rest of his body and he is nowhere near as big as guys like John Cena.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2016 04:30

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

If there's one thing universally true about rich arrogant guys, it's that they never want more money like they're gunning for some fiscal high score and they're always perfectly happy with getting paid the bottom of a pay scale

# ¿ Sep 9, 2016 19:49

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

fatherdog posted:

Because there's no reason to think the UFC would offer them, and no reason to think he would have insisted on them.

Even beyond this, he would be acting very differently about all of this if his compensation were tied to buy rates (i.e. actually saying things to promote the fight beyond "I'm not going to talk people into the arena" followed by a few of the most garden variety statements on how Gall has fought nobodies.)

# ¿ Sep 9, 2016 20:01

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Efexeye posted:

the fight is tonight so the number of posts rising is natural

It's tomorrow but otherwise sure.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2016 20:46

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Bluedeanie posted:

Hello wrestle friends, enjoy this GDT from me to you. May you all find enlightenment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3789373

Prelims will be starting in about 15 minutes for those of you with Fight Pass. :getin:

# ¿ Sep 11, 2016 00:12

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Couture/Toney in nearly every way

# ¿ Sep 12, 2016 18:54

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

FullLeatherJacket posted:

fun fact: she's now married to Punk's buddy Rener Gracie

their child is named Raeven Gracie, which is the best and stupidest Gracie name

Is that the first one where it's pronounced like an R, or is their child Haeven

# ¿ Sep 13, 2016 20:37

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

coconono posted:

or re-negotiate it so they can loan him to one of the fightpass feds. I'm sure they can find dudes a little closer to his skillset.

Hey Alaska Fighting Championship, would you like our friend CM Punk? He is very bad, probably won't boost your viewership and costs half a million dollars

# ¿ Sep 13, 2016 20:53

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Mr. Nice! posted:

Renry
Rank
Rarold
Rarry
Renrietta

Rank is actually a Gracie

# ¿ Sep 14, 2016 01:16

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

david carmichael posted:

Fabricio werdum has had some of the shittiest, most pathetic fights of all times and just because he's diving for ankles against someone you hate instead of someone you like/don't care about doesn't suddenly make his fights exciting

The last two rounds were very bad, but the first round owned so hard I am still not entirely sure I think the fight sucked. It probably did though.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2016 21:53

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Here ya go, in case any of you wrestlehutters were still curious about the other punchmen you saw last weekend.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3782863&pagenumber=12#post464313680

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 04:22

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

FullLeatherJacket posted:

Just a note here to say that pro wrestling journalist and powerful roidman Dave Meltzer is now giving estimates for 203 PPV buys in the 425,000-475,000 range, which is 125,000-200,000 up on what you'd expect from a card with a similar main but without a 37-year-old white belt on it.

The key thing you should take away from this is that CM Punk: Dream Follower is never going to go away and if Dana doesn't find something for him to do, will end up fighting literal hobos in Bellator main events for more money per fight than Mighty Mouse or Joanna Champion.

I don't think that's how it works, otherwise James Toney would have instantly worked through his IRS issues getting tapped by old fat guys on like 20 consecutive ufc cards

# ¿ Sep 20, 2016 17:57

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

FullLeatherJacket posted:

you say this like if James Toney had wanted to continue fighting MMA, we wouldn't have seen Toney vs Kimbo: The Fight America Wanted on an actual Bellator show

Probably, but my point that others gave gone on to make was those shows wouldn't have done extraordinarily well, seeing as the "draw" in question got owned and did not look good or raise any questions as to how well they'd do.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2016 19:21

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

BGrifter posted:

You're all overestimating how much wins and losses matter to an audience of pro wrestling fans.

Pro wrestling fans aggressively shat all over a very good card in UFC 203 as "boring" or whatever. Unless Providence, R.I.'s CES MMA show did way better than I recall thanks to Batista, they are not going to tune in to Bellator or Bubba Sparxxx's Florida Fight League and Barbecue Cook-off to see CM Punk struggle with some 50 year old 0-1 guy.

Bluedeanie fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Sep 20, 2016

# ¿ Sep 20, 2016 19:39

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Optimist with doubt posted:

I still say put him on a rookie as gently caress season of TUF.

I know the thought process behind this is that obviously it would do pretty big viewership for TUF this late in its production history, but there's way too high a chance it would have absolutely no longterm benefit for the UFC and be a colossal waste of time and resources. There's hardly any guarantee Punk would win even in a tournament of strictly debutantes or 0-1/1-0 fighters, and then you're stuck giving a longterm contract to some inexperienced, unremarkable, unmarketable nobody who could would lose to virtually any welterweight on the roster at this stage in their career.

If the UFC decides they want to keep Punk under contract and develop him or milk another fight or two out of him, that is obviously their call, but there's no logical benefit to doing so by investing their time and money into TUF: Scrubs, Team Dober vs. Team Barberena.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2016 15:21

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

dont even fink about it posted:

"Punk appears" is more the draw there than "Punk succeeds."

The entire point of my post was that Punk would need to succeed to make a televised tournament of people with extremely green or non-existent pro mma records for the grand prize of a six fight six figure contract worthwhile to the ufc to put on. Punk appearing very likely could single handedly cause the ratings boost necessary to completely offset production costs of the television series, but they are stuck paying an unusually high amount of money for whoever the winner is, and the winner is just as likely or possibly even more likely to be 0-1 Chunky Cornhusker the Nebraska division 17 wrestling standout who will fight anyone the ufc puts in front of him all glory to Jesus than it is to be the single profitable guy they have on the roster, who is already under a multifight six figure contract to begin with.

The UFC got extremely lucky in that their search for an opponent for CM Punk turned up interesting, marketable fighters with clear upsides in Sage Northcutt and Mickey Gall. That lightning will not strike the 15 more times necessary to fill out a TUF lineup, when again, CM Punk is already on a contract better than the one TUF gives out anyway. There's absolutely no longterm upside to it.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2016 16:04

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Regrettable posted:

Dude, those are the actual lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXtlWmBM-HU

Somehow you took a meme that's become extremely unfunny and played to death and breathed new life into it by being hilariously incorrect

# ¿ Jan 2, 2017 16:35

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

ICHIBAHN posted:

What did he do that made him look like an mma fighter? Nah he wiffed a punch and got murdered on the ground. No disrespect, ballsy to try it, but he didn't look like he belonged there at all.

You're describing Toney Couture. James Toney stood there and looked confused as Randy landed an ankle pick from a mile away with no setup and continued to lie flat on his back, still confused and occasionally throwing a punch to Randy's ribs, as Randy methodically and easily applied an arm triangle.

CM Punk defended sun attempts and in general at least tried to do the right things, he just wasn't good or athletically gifted enough to do it. Hence, he looked like a fighter out of his league, and not a celebrity (or unrelated combat sports athlete) pretending to be an MMA fighter.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2017 18:34

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

Mickey Gall seems like he is probably good but there is still at least a 20% chance he is not truly UFC level yet, since his three ufc wins are old guys with no experience and Sage Northcutt who himself is laughably inept at Gail's one key area of strength, I'd like to see him matched with someone with a little more experience and clout next, like Jake Ellenberger level (but not Jake himself, the poor guy needs a break.)

# ¿ Apr 26, 2017 17:14

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

King Bahamut posted:

It did seem a bit precious to be like "ok we'll put one unqualified fighter on our card, but TWO is out of the question" but maybe that's just my low opinion of the parties involved

Anyhow I play softball with a guy that washed out of short season A ball in a year and he doesn't seem like the same species as us on a ballfield--the difference in skill between amateur and high level competition in spots is so massive it was always preposterous Punk would do anything in the UFC. Lesnar couldn't happen again today, the training is too specialized

That is a silly comparison since Brock was not only competing in the weakest division at the time, but he actually had a background of successfully competing in a high level sport that was directly applicable to MMA. Punk had no combat sports or grappling experience beyond somewhat casual bjj trainin on the side of his pro wrestling career, so he effectively had two years of late-life mma training punctuated by surgery and recovery time before coming into the UFC, which is pretty much unheard of.

The only factor that made people feel he had a chance besides the fact that "anything can happen" is that Gall was young and inexperienced, 2-0 as a pro against cans, so this matchup wasn't that uncommon at face value for a z league promotion and you do see the debutant win in those matchups sometimes. But that still isn't a great comparison since CM Punk had the worst of both worlds, he had the inexperience and lack of training of a 22 year old making their pro debut in Skidmark Fightz Championships, but he was old for combat sports and due to the nature of pro wrestling his body already had the damage of a veteran fighter with 100 bouts to their name.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2017 13:37

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 09:12

Bluedeanie: Jul 20, 2008; It's no longer a blue world, Max. Where could we go?

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2017 07:25

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