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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is just the Month of Zero Accountability, isn't it? America: where an authority figure's right to swing his fist doesn't end anywhere at all Funny to say about a government report outlining all this in plain view of the world.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, but what the government report details is that nobody has been in any way punished for any of this, and likely won't be. Not to make a cheap reference, but there ain't exactly an indictment coming out of this any time soon. Why would there be indictments? It was a government policy supported at all levels, even if the scale was unknown. They didn't just make this report for fun. Something can come of it in the future, and progress is being made on that front. When's the last time you saw north korea formally investigate its labor camps and release the report to the public?
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Let's get real, no government anywhere is going to arrest itself because of the UN. The best we can hope for here is reform and transparency for the future, which isn't unlikely considering that the report really outlines how much of a failure the torture program was. Near useless for information, incompetently run, huge drain of money and effort. It's pretty clearly not the way forward no matter where you stand ideologically.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:33
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eviltastic posted:Uh, exactly what do you consider holding people accountable to entail, then? You seem to pretty much agree with the sentiment you were disagreeing with. We are holding the policy accountable for what it's side effects and consequences were, instead of just saying hooah, torture owns. The policy is on trial, not the people who were responsible for it. That's still really important. Even more so actually. Throwing someone in prison isn't going to un-waterboard anyone, but we can call for steps to prevent it from happening to others in the future, and now is the time to do that.
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Zeitgueist posted:We already knew torture was ineffective. Torture being effective or not was divided down partisan lines among the general public. All but the fringe left deemed it a necessary form of information gathering because it worked for Jack Bauer.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:57
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Tezzor posted:It's incredible how you think this rationale, while accurate, is defensible. I'm not saying it's justifiable, I just think it's a minor aspect that would take a tremendous effort to push against. It would require basically the entire torture argument to revolve solely around whether or not X should be going to jail instead of, you know, preventing torture, for anything to be accomplished on that front. Pick your battles.
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Dec 9, 2014 23:56
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goatse.cx posted:Hong Kong? The US and the Triads have a close working relationship.
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Dec 10, 2014 04:45
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Welp, this thread was nice while it lasted.
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TEAYCHES posted:Do you disagree with the assertion that those who enabled this illegal torture to occur should be prosecuted under United States law? I was referring to Farking Bastage's post probably causing a shitshow. I don't disagree with that at all, but it's not going to happen any more than the Reagan administration was prosecuted for Iran Contra. This is just too big and too deep to get anything other than some token fall guys if it came down to it. I would much rather the emphasis be on reigning in the CIA and setting in controls that would prevent this type of operation from happening in the future instead of sending some nameless dudes to jail a decade after the fact like it means something.
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rockopete posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgIKAukheo#t=251 holy poo poo
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fits my needs posted:American's don't care about brown Muslim dudes being tortured. It's only an issue if it is a hot white woman or a well-off well-to-do white guy. or cute animals.
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