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Volkerball posted:Why would there be indictments? It was a government policy supported at all levels It's incredible how you think this rationale, while accurate, is defensible.
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Volkerball posted:We are holding the policy accountable for what it's side effects and consequences were, instead of just saying hooah, torture owns. The policy is on trial, not the people who were responsible for it. That's still really important. Even more so actually. Throwing someone in prison isn't going to un-waterboard anyone, but we can call for steps to prevent it from happening to others in the future, and now is the time to do that. Prosecuting a hitman won't bring his victims back to life, either. Let's not prosecute hitmen or the mafia dons who hire them, let's just make sure they never do it again by writing down some more superfluous laws we have no intention of enforcing or punishing anyone for breaking.
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Volkerball posted:I'm not saying it's justifiable, I just think it's a minor aspect that would take a tremendous effort to push against. It would require basically the entire torture argument to revolve solely around whether or not X should be going to jail instead of, you know, preventing torture, for anything to be accomplished on that front. Pick your battles. It is well-established in legal theory that a primary purpose of punishing criminals is deterrence, and how are we going to credibly say that we are preventing torture when there is no reason to believe that people ordering or perpetuating torture will be prosecuted in the future? I mean, if you want say it's pointless to talk about because it won't happen, fine, but don't piss on my face and tell me it's raining. Tezzor fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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If you want evidence that torture produces bad intelligence note the disclosure from this very report that the Iraq War was predicated at least partially on bad intelligence gained by torture.
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Debate and Discussion: We Threatened to Rape Some Folks' Moms
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