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Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
Reading this report, it's sort of struck me that there's a surprising amount of butt-focused torture in there.

American Dad was right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTTZ9E_e2Y

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Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.

euphronius posted:

It's arguably not rape because it was not part of a sexual experience, but, yeah. It probably was.

Does it count if the CIA agent had a raging erection when he force fed hummus into his prisoner's anus?

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Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
Given that even the Church Commission ultimately failed to permanently tamp down CIA malfeasance, I don't know why anyone expects that they won't proceed to do similar things in the future. One thing's for sure, there's nothing resembling the Church Commission on the way. The general desire seems to be to quickly forget this or deny that it was even a bad thing.

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Jun 23, 2004

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Xandu posted:

I mean, the last 6-8 years indicate pretty clearly that the US isn't interested in capturing terrorists /torturing detainees anymore, it just kills them. That could change, but if you read some of the excerpted emails, they seemed to think it was way too messy and problematic pretty early on. It produced limited intelligence and resulted in dozens of detainees they had to hold onto indefinitely.

Given that the CIA was torturing their own informants, I'm not exactly filled with confidence that the assasination program is any more competently run.

Really, that program should not be considered any more justified than the torture/rendition efforts.

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Jun 23, 2004

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Torture of detainees of interest is probably entirely outsourced to other countries these days instead of just mostly outsourced

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Jun 23, 2004

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Xandu posted:

They had their own secret annex.

I'm imagining an aluminum shack with a sign that says "SECRET CIA RECTAL-FEEDING UNIT"

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Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
This new report by Channel 4 in Britain is very timely. Looks like the CIA has been supervising torture in Somalia.

http://www.channel4.com/news/somalia-torture-united-states-cia-al-shabaab-video

http://www.thenation.com/article/161936/cias-secret-sites-somalia

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Jun 23, 2004

I beg to present to you as a Christmas gift, Mr. Lombardi, the city of Detroit.
Honestly, from just a practical perspective the government should break up the CIA. It's got a legacy of horrendous failures and I think that other existing government agencies could pick up most of the legitimate work that is supposed to be done there.

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