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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
Mahouka was so incredibly bad that I couldn't even remember the names of any single character besides Immortal Superman and Creepy Sister, and I watched and then wrote up my opinions of most of the episodes. I had to take a break in the middle because my brain literally could not tolerate anymore, but jumped back in when the nationalism ratcheted the gently caress up.

There's no contest at all. Mahouka was so aggressively bland that many entire episodes consisted of cutting between "Characters dump exposition" back and forth and then superhuman mages kill a bunch of dirty foreigners. Even worse was that the show was clearly trying to make people route for Tatsuya, but by any objective assessment he is a genocidal madman who's only kept in check by his familial love of his sister. And they tried to emphasize that his special powers came with a horrific cost yet his continued to use them effortlessly and was never shown to undergo any measure of struggle or pain.

For all the shows pandering to fan service and having similar creepy brother/sister stuff at least none of them push a horrific political agenda that is slowly starting to gain ground in real life and has some serious implications for the future of the country.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
It's standard harem "I must find the childhood promise girl and marry her no matter what else I feel" but what makes Nisekoi better is the hilarious facial expressions.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Davincie posted:

the bigger issue with zvezda is that it is trash for pedophiles

It's been a while since there was such a blatant "child is really XXXX years old" pedo-bait.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

ninjewtsu posted:

The first season of Korra started out cool because I'm a sucker for "fantasy world, but with technological advances" settings. It actually brought up a pretty cool and interesting question about the setting, "aren't nonbenders basically just second class citizens and intrinsically inferior humans, and isn't that kind of hosed up?" but then failed to ever address that question in any meaningful way ever, and the whole thing got resolved with "well Amon is kind of a loving lunatic so who cares about nonbenders I guess"

Every season after did the same thing, with a less interesting ~sympathetic antagonist ideology~ each time, and with a less effective villain each time. It's kind of a stupid show.

When the fight scenes are well done it looks cool though

I'm fairly certain that (according to the creators) a lot of it came down to Nick mandating certain things for the show, like they can't "kill" anyone directly, no season ending cliffhangers, pulling the budget at the last minute, and then finally "gently caress you, we're not airing the show anymore, burn it all off online".

You can see from some of the episodes that there was a lot of talent working on the show. The Avatar Wan episodes were amazing, the new art style looked great, and it told a better Avatar cycle in one hour then Korra did in 52 episodes. Some of the fight scenes were amazing, but given the budget issues that probably restricted them severely on how many we saw.

You want anime/otaku rage, the season 1 thread was insane with people arguing back and forth speculating everything under the sun, and then when it end 1/2 of them went "Wtf? this is complete bullshit" and the other half went "It was okay, but it'll be waaay better next time" which repeated for season 2 but now the Korra/Asami fanbase started getting really creepy speculating on lesbian relationships in a kids cartoon show.

We're got a lot of similar answers for worst anime, but I'd like to suggest the most disappointing anime. Sailor Moon Crystal had so much hype behind it and less then 10 episodes in it had all died down and no one really cared about it anymore.

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Lotta goons jerked off to a titty anime. Not a big surprise.

HiveCommander posted:

Some people enjoy watching mother/daughter molestation. Everyone has their kinks :shrug:

Since the original KLK thread was sent into the abyss was it really just like the NGNL thread where a certain amount of goons got really defensive about their underage sister anime and started passionately arguing that it wasn't bad? That second by second post of the molestation scene could only have come from an environment where the creepy fans were left unchallenged for way too long and eventually thought absolutely everything about the show was perfectly acceptable.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Dec 26, 2014

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

WickedHate posted:

Ah yes, creepy lesbianism. Homosexuality has no place in children's entertainment and anyone who thinks otherwise is a gross pervert. If only they speculated about heterosexual ships instead, but alas.

That speculating about lesbian relationships turned out to be canon, by the way.

I didn't say characters being lesbians was creepy, the people posting in the thread made it creepy.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

ninjewtsu posted:

I think the whole KorraxAsami thing would have been less dumb if they at any point showed romantic attraction between them. The way they graduated from "close friends" to "lets hold hands and walk off on a vacation together because i care about you so much" was kind of strange, since it didn't really feel like there was much build up to it at all. Maybe there was and I ignored it because the character interactions in that show were all kind of bad and felt sort of pointless.

If you believe the Korra thread, it was all there since day one.

I'm suddenly seeing Rail Wars! pop up a lot. I saw a few episodes here and there, but for the most part it looked like a massive ad for Japan's railways mixed with a bit of romantic hijinks. It seemed fairly interesting given how much detail they went into about the trains at first.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Level Slide posted:

i would but all i know about it is the Two Years Worth of Semen part

Wait, does that take place when they're still inside the game? gently caress I knew I did the right thing on giving that show a pass. It's huge popularity dropped like a stone by the time it ended.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

coathat posted:

Your bigotry is disgusting.

No he's right, Japanese kissing is almost universally disgusting. And, in many animes it is portrayed as borderline sexual assault even on willing subjects.

I remember some weird mecha anime/future school hijinks a while back a pilot went berserk from his machine connection and raped a girl,but she tried to act like it wasn't a big deal, whereas when someone is trick-kissed in anime its "I'm soiled forever just let me die".

pentyne fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Dec 27, 2014

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
KLK was the unfortunate culmination of recent "over the top" animes being really popular and someone's idea to do a retro style anime with tons of fanservice mixed with that one creepy editor in the office going "DON'T FORGET THE INCEST/RAPE STUFF! THE MARKET IS GOING CRAZY FOR THE INCEST/RAPE STUFF RIGHT NOW" and no one else has seniority enough to override him.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

a cartoon duck posted:

so what you're saying is sexual assault isn't considered sexual assault in japan?

Women are expected to deal with it and not raise a fuss.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/17/world/on-tokyo-s-packed-trains-molesters-are-brazen.html

quote:

"The train was so crowded she couldn't get away from him," Miss Omori said. "At the next station she stepped out to change cars, but he followed her."

For many Japanese women, such transgressions are tolerated with disgust mainly because they feel they have no redress. Some women say that the police ignore the problem, even when plainclothes officers -- on duty to scout for pickpockets -- see a molester in action.

"The police are very uncooperative," said Kazue Akita, an outspoken female lawyer. "Because it happens so often, the women just give up. Society thinks it isn't a big problem, so women are forced to think so as well. It's not only the criminals I'm furious at. Sometimes I want to kill the policemen as well."

Trainmasters seem embarrassed by the molesting and say such behavior and other crimes are police matters, but they say they can do little besides comfort the victim or scold the molester if they catch him. When an angry woman once dragged in a young man who had molested her, Masami Tsukada, a deputy trainmaster on the Odakyu line, just issued a warning.

"The woman didn't insist on calling the police and the guy admitted he did it but said he was repentant," Mr. Tsukada said. "We generally bring the woman into our office to soothe her and we reprimand the people who commit the crimes."

Ten years later

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/1483150/Record-number-of-women-groped-on-Tokyos-subway.html

quote:

High school girls are the main targets and the lines they use are the ones favoured by molesters.

Various tactics have been used to stop the assaults, including putting plainclothes women police officers on to trains.

Most incidents take place during the morning rush hour and police have called for more women-only carriages.

Many Japanese women, brought up to defer to men, find it difficult to confront a molester. Some accept being groped as an unfortunate fact of life.

Change is hard

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

WickedHate posted:

Everyone should watch Kill la Kill.

Don't pick that hill to die on. There is no chance in hell of KLK ever being regarded as more then a passing oddity.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Misandrist Wytch posted:

I tried to watch LOTGH but it's sooooo long, three times as long as any anime I've watched before, and the animation is real dated.

It's not a show to binge watch, it'd be like trying to binge watch HnK or one of the 3-digit episode shounen series. Back when a goon had LOGH hosted on a viewing website me and my friend would watch 2-3 episodes a day, and 5-6 on the weekends. It took like 2 months but I couldn't imagine trying to rush through the series

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Silver2195 posted:

The "fake incest" fetishism trend went beyond merely creepy and became a tiresome cliche at some point. Fortunately the cliche has mostly died down over the past few seasons.

From what I heard, Recently, My Sister Is Unusual is super-disgusting for other reasons. Isn't it basically porn about the ghost girl sexually assaulting the sister? It's pretty high on my "not watching even out of morbid curiosity" list.

I think most anime danced around the edges of it for a while until OreImo blatantly did an actual incest anime. Since then its died down quite a bit, and I remember SAO started off really popular and had a lot of hype but once the cousin incest angle was introduced a lot of people gave up on it.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Raxivace posted:

What made it weird to me in SAO was that the plotline almost worked as a kind of comment on internet anonymity, but it was still weird even without Kirito and his step-sister actually being related, and the whole thing was just bogged down by the unnecessary rape plotline in that arc anyways.

If it were written by an actual adult, maybe Fairy Dance could have actually been something interesting and maybe even thought provoking. Instead we got Fairy Dance.

"If only they didn't include the rape/incest/weird fetish subplot" can be applied to way to many anime series of the last decade as an argument for what would've made it way better. Just dropping either the incest angle or the "step-sibling" angle would've improved many shows, although for a few I imagine its the only reason it got made.

Romance/harem in anime used to follow a pretty reliable formula, but now rather then "new girl moves in next door, captures MC's heart" its "Hey son I re-married! Meet your new step-sister! Welp, me and the missus are leaving for a 14 month cruise, have fun!"

For all the KLK chat, without the creepy incest molesting it would've just been a tongue-in-cheek shameless fanservice over-the-top show rather then the mess most people in this thread regard it as.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Big Anime Fan Here posted:

I thought I can't believe my little sister could be this cute was actually a sweet story about siblings at heart. Like there bond as siblings transcended her weird fetish and they were truly kind to each other in the end

Well, for a while it was. Then the author wrote the ending

quote:

At first, it is unclear if Kirino really loves him as a man or as a dependable brother, though in many, if not all, instances where other girls closes in to Kyousuke, she intervenes instantly. Her dependance on him made Kyousuke appreciate their relationship in the sense that he's able to realign their seemingly shattered relationship and accepting his capability as a good brother in his own way.

Despite the many girls that constantly confesses to him throughout the series; however, Kyousuke ultimately reveals that he actually harbors romantic feelings for his younger sister, and added that he has been harboring it for years to the point where he even proposes to her - which Kirino tearfully accepts and they decide to become couple until graduation day. After the graduation, it is implied that they still have a secret relationship, though not as open as before.

That was pretty much the start of the backlash, because the books constantly made it seem like he was falling in love with one of the other girls then BAM full on blatant incest.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Dec 30, 2014

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

WickedHate posted:

I don't think it's gonna excuse the rape.

WickedHate posted:

So a show's bad just for depicting rape?

"Guys you don't get it this rape scene is like a-bloo-bloo-bloo and that rape seen is like wooty-wooty-wooty-wooty! Only one of them is acceptable!"

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

WickedHate posted:

The rape scenes weren't male gazy even if you think that applies to the rest of the show. It was purely dramatic.

Uh, a rape or sexual assault scene doesn't suddenly lose any measure of titillation or arousal factor because of context. It's the use of sexual violence for whatever reasons in the story. It doesn't become non-sexual because you say so.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Endorph posted:

why would anyone in the world watch cross ange past the ending of episode 1. except if they wanted to jerk off, i mean

Well, if TVTropes is any indication all the rape and sexual violence is just the same as KLK to create a harrowing sense of drama, so clearly next year it'll be a contender for best anime according to certain people.

Holy gently caress, the same company who made Votoms make this poo poo?

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

DaveWoo posted:

I love how every other reviewer on that page is all "this is worthless, misogynist trash", while Theron is all "hmm, this story foundation shows some promise".

He completely misses the point. Yeah, military prisons are pretty horrific and designed to strip you of any authority or control you might try to maintain, but at no point are you given a full body cavity search by a person with a robot arm that causes major physical tearing and trauma. The scene could've been done exactly the same without the metal hand and in a "medical" context and still gotten the humiliation point across. It's blatant sexual pandering at its worst.

Oh, and even the most interesting premise in the world wouldn't be free range to treat female characters like complete poo poo and turn it into fetish porn. I've read the episode summaries, and it does look pretty interesting, but the show would have to pull off some insanely good writing for anyone to praise the show, and even then it would be "The first couple of episodes are really bad, show moves past it and gets better."

pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 1, 2015

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I already mentioned it, the BDs come with ticket for an exclusive event with Nana thats primarily the reason why it sold. Well hopefully thats the reason.

Its worse than that though, thats just Cross Ange's BD sales. Some on that list include the dvds as well while ange doesnt.

Who/what the gently caress is Nana?

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