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Mahouka. It was complete immoral garbage and propaganda for Japanese nationalism.
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As much as I love Parasyte, it is kind of weird how they bother updating the setting and giving it a shiny new subtitle to distinguish it as a setting update, but then not change the story at all. Either way, it's definitely not in the same category as something like Mahouka or any of the other contenders for the title of this thread.
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Dec 23, 2014 23:21
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Sakurazuka posted:Kill La Kill for daughter finger rape (a shame since I liked most of the rest if it.) So a show's bad just for depicting rape?
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Dec 24, 2014 00:29
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Darth Walrus posted:And shooting the scenes like a porno? Definitely. It's completely possible to depict rape tastefully (GARO: The Animation, one of the most underrated shows of the year, provides a good example in its first episode), and the way KLK did it was pretty much the opposite. It wasn't meant to be titillating at all. It was really disturbing, and wasn't about showing Ragyo as evil but informing the audience more about Satsuki and what's been going on with her and her life.
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Dec 24, 2014 01:03
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I liked No Game No Life but got really bored with it. It's premise kind of reminded me of Yu Gi Oh Season 0, but that just made me want more Season 0.
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Dec 24, 2014 05:36
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pentyne posted:creepy speculating on lesbian relationships in a kids cartoon show. Ah yes, creepy lesbianism. Homosexuality has no place in children's entertainment and anyone who thinks otherwise is a gross pervert. If only they speculated about heterosexual ships instead, but alas. That speculating about lesbian relationships turned out to be canon, by the way. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Dec 26, 2014 22:10
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It is pretty useless to go and post about how skimpy these skimpy costumes are. It was part of the show's point, and it had a really great reasons for running with that kind of thing if you got the messages and themes it was going for.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:08
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It's not even sexist and labeling it that way just because the costumes show skin is ridiculous. That and the gazy parts are intentional and it's not for fanservice. It's almost satire. Getting mad at it for being "sexist" is like getting mad at Life of Brian for being "blasphemous".
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Dec 27, 2014 01:20
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ninjewtsu posted:I mean it's all fine and good that they tied the fanservice into an actual theme within the show, but that doesn't stop it from being fanservice dude. Fanservice and the way anime uses it is what it's commenting on, though.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:25
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Srice posted:I'm going to be helpful instead of making a joke here, and say that you should start backing all this stuff up with something of substance. You're talking about how people aren't getting the messages or themes but I have no idea what you took away from the show since you're not going into any detail! ninjewtsu posted:Ok but at the end of the day it is still a show stuffed full of nude women with camera shots accentuating how sexy they are. Just because the fanservice has a message doesn't make it not fanservice, and it's still pretty clear that the fanservice is there for the, uh, enjoyment of a male audience (even if that enjoyment, itself, is being used ot send a message, that doesn't stop that these skimpy women are being put there for dudes to jerk off to dude) It's taking the idea that these shots are there for people to masturbate over and mocking it. That kind of audience is put in the role of Mataro, his dad, and Guts when they each crash because they see Ryuko's underwear. It puts them in a pathetic situation and causes them physical pain and failure. Same as the creeps who gawk over Omiko when she's beaten. Not to mention all the naked men, who are even more or just as nude as the girls. ninjewtsu posted:Yeah I remember there being a message about not being afraid to show yourself to people and the skimpy outfits tied into that in a very literal way, but uh, I don't really remember a commentary on fanservice itself. They did not have any of the characters stop and say "Fansevrice is bad" like those things which were literally plot points, no. Yes_Cantaloupe posted:I've wondered since the Mahouka thread, but this has removed all doubt: WickedHate is a fakeposter. I was convinced it was bad after awhile. The first few episodes were more appealing then they should have been, but Mahouka is terrible and deserves the title worst anime of 2014. Or the past decade. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Dec 27, 2014 |
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Dec 27, 2014 01:37
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KittyEmpress posted:So what you're saying is fanservice is okay, as long as the perverted characters are portrayed as stupid perverts to make fun of perverted people. So this mean fanservice is okay in 90% of anime, because almost every anime with any kind of fanservice has a character that continually gets made fun of or hurt while being perverted. Nearly every instance of "fanservice" is clearly meant to be played as comedy and not be taken seriously. It's like a sort of sexual humor and I guess theoretically people can get off to that too but that's not the point any more then it's the point of balloons when someone gets off over them.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:44
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ninjewtsu posted:Why is it important that Ryuko's underwear is shown in those scenes? Daily Lives of Highschool Boys did a segment mocking people who are really into upskirts, but they didn't actually have a shot poking up a girl's skirt I get what you're saying here, but that show is a lot less cartoony. ninjewtsu posted:I also don't think you realize that most ecchi harem shows are comedies, and those are most certainly there for wanking to man There's a difference between being a comedy with fanservice and a comedy that happens to have sexual humor. It's like calling Fritz the Cat porn.
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Dec 27, 2014 01:52
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ninjewtsu posted:Being cartoony has nothing to do with it. If having a scene where the dad peeps on Ryuko and gets injured from it is truly important (lol, but ok for the sake of argument), why does it have to actually show Ryuko undressing? Why can't it go Ryuko taking off socks -> dad shown peeping -> dad gets injured? Why does there have to be a "and then the audience sees Ryuko naked" step in this process Why is it necessary that there not be? Being cartoony has a lot to do with it. In a show like Daily Lives of High School Boys, an upskirt shot would be a lot different because of how much more realistic and less comical the designs are. ninjewtsu posted:Also please explain to me what makes Girls Bravo a comedy with fanservice and what makes Kill la Kill a comedy with sexual humor Because when it's fanservice, there's an intended focus on being arousing with everything else being secondary.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:01
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ninjewtsu posted:How do you know that the fanservice in KlK wasn't primarily there to arouse, with the secondary purpose of sending a message? By what metric have you decided this? It just doesn't seem portrayed that way at all.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:10
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ninjewtsu posted:I still don't see why "message first, fanservice close second" is excusable either, anyway
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Dec 27, 2014 02:18
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"It was shown, therefore it was meant to get dicks hard" is a bad argument. It has a lot more to do with how it's portrayed. For instance, early Dragon Ball showed Bulma's underwear, but Toriyama wasn't trying to appeal to pervs.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:27
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Now the stuff with Ragyo was definitely not meant to be arousing. It was clearly just supposed to be frightening and show what Satsuki was going through and trying to overcome.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:36
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You're making it sound way worse then it was. It wasn't Cross Ange or anything remotely like that.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:40
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That's really silly. You can't assume that just because a story has a parent abusing a child sexually it's supposed to be for the audience to get off to.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:44
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Equeen posted:I don't doubt this, put the execution was pretty bad, to say the least. It might have gone to far in showing the trauma Satsuki was going through. I don't know how it could have been portrayed better, though.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:47
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ninjewtsu posted:Like I said, I don't even want to get into the arousal conversation there. I'm just talking about pure "that was really creepy and disturbing and just straight up not enjoyable to watch." Good. I hate to draw this comparison because it was based on a real story, but it's like that book/movie The Girl Next Door. That's how that thing should be portrayed. Those scenes aren't there to be pleasurably enjoyed. ninjewtsu posted:What makes Kill la Kill a better work of fiction than Attack on Titan? Like, lets not even get into books or movies or anything, just even within anime. I want to hear what makes Kill la Kill The Best I said it wasn't for everyone. I just think you have the wrong idea about it. Rodyle posted:Can we just skip to the part where he gets a new red title with a picture of Ryuko's butt I'm not a guy.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:57
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ninjewtsu posted:Ok but why do you think it is the best It makes absolutely incredible use of it's limited budget that practically turns it into an entirely new form of art, it's characters are extremely well written and fun, the jokes are funny, the action is great. It's just really well made on nearly all levels.
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Dec 27, 2014 03:03
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Srice posted:While I'm not saying I speak for ninjewtsu I get the impression he'd like to hear something that delves a little deeper than that. Most of those praises are really generic outside of that comment about the animation y'know? (and there have been plenty of shows that go a long way with a limited budget and/or time as well, what sets this apart from those?) ninjewtsu posted:
Srice posted:It's fun to examine why you like a thing, I'm indifferent on KLK itself but I can enjoy hearing someone's thoughts on it. Just wanna hear some non-generic lines on what makes it so great I'm bad at expressing ideas. If you interrogated me about my favorite food, I'd say I love it because it tastes great.  It's action, it's design, it's characters-poo poo, I don't know how to get more in depth then that. It's just awesome. It's an enjoyable roller coaster ride anime. I literally don't know how to go into more detail then pointing at elements that I like and saying they're done well. But I'm fine with people disagreeing with me about it.
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Dec 27, 2014 03:21
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Wark Say posted:If we can agree that Mahouka was a huge turd, why the gently caress did those gel-haired deep thinkers here at my company's licensing department thought it'd be a good idea that we got it as part of our catalogue on a good chunk of our regions? It's not like they individually go through every episode of every show they license. Light novel adaptions tend to do well regardless of quality. Plus, the premise is neat. Pretty people go to a school for modern magic after a bunch of magic wars.
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Dec 27, 2014 04:25
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I can't fathom how so many people are taking "fanservice" parts of the show and thinking it's one hundred percent sincere.
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Dec 27, 2014 07:17
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I can believe Yoko is a genuine example of fanservice, but her and her clothing is played up much more salaciously without any irony.
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Dec 27, 2014 07:24
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RatHat posted:Dude, stop trying to justify it to yourself. It's okay to like a show that has fanservice in it. I don't have to justify it. I like lots of shows with fanservice, and some that are almost entirely fanservice, and I'm fine with that. I still consider them good shows and worthy of respect. I genuinely can't look at the stuff in KLK and think it's not just a joke. Armor-Piercing posted:I didn't bother finishing Twintails or Gugure. They were both pretty mediocre. I thought Twintails was kind of creepy for the way it treated part of a girl's hair as so important, but it seemed cool that it's format was like a classic toku show but animated.
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Dec 27, 2014 19:31
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LWA is really good, it just sucks there hasn't been anything else about the second part in awhile. I hope it still gets made.
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Dec 28, 2014 00:26
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Mikl posted:I backed the Kickstarter, on Christmas day they had an update that said that Yoh Yoshinari (the director) was finishing up the storyboard, and it should be done before the weekend (i.e.: right about now); they're starting physical production (drawing and animation), and they expect to deliver the finished product around May 2015. Awesome! That's excellent news, thank you.
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Dec 28, 2014 00:41
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point of return posted:Or Kill la Kill. Everyone should watch Kill la Kill.
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Dec 28, 2014 05:50
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Then you too can post about how "No this titty anime is actually really DEEP guys please don't make fun of me for liking it!" I don't mind being made fun of what I like, I just think other people read too much into things that aren't meant to be taken that way. For the record, I really like Ping Pong.
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Dec 28, 2014 06:06
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I'd love to get into LoGH, but 110 episodes of aged animation that isn't dubbed is too much for me.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:29
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Namtab posted:Are you trying to imply that dubs > subs? Not necessarily. It's up to individual examples. But dubs are just easier for me to watch and take a lot less focus, so if a show is super long I'd never get halfway through it.
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Dec 28, 2014 21:44
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The Utena movie was fun, but the stock footage of the series was mind numbing, narrative point or not. Like with the "prefer dubbed stuff", I need a lot of help concentrating and focusing, especially on large series', and that sort of thing is really counter productive to me personally being able to get into it.
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Dec 29, 2014 04:57
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I just get bored with things really easily. I prefer shows with quicker pacing.
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Dec 29, 2014 05:06
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Paracelsus posted:Yet you were fine with Mahouka for quite a while, and that thing was glacial. It had interesting stuff going on. It didn't get bad till after that big battle, and also someone pointing out that in the LN the protagonist didn't care about civilian deaths.
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Dec 29, 2014 05:39
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Fake incest is bullshit hoop jumping and is bad justification for incest anime. If you're going to make a creepy fetish show don't chicken out and be ashamed about it.
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Dec 29, 2014 08:03
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Namtab posted:I remain happy that it was that, and not the nationalism/incest subtones that made you hate mahouka. I wasn't seeing the nationalism up till then. That specific incident only kicked off my hate for it and made me initially realize how bad it was. Besides, I think that's a pretty big thing in and of itself. But at that point, the episodes that aired didn't really have any nationalism or racism, which ramped up in arcs after that. Namtab posted:I guess your view wrt incest anims is "go big or go home". Cool Basically. That doesn't mean I'm into incest, I'm not, I just think you can't make it "better" by not having them blood related. That everyone is still creeped out by it proves my point. I would feel the same way about an anime if it had any weird fetish stuff in it. People trying to package things like that into a show but holding back and trying to serve it in a more palatable way just makes it even more ridiculous. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Dec 29, 2014 19:01
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krnhotwings posted:I'd say the nationalism isn't as obvious in the anime as it is in the LN (aside from anti-Chinese, NIHON'S-THE-BEST sentiments, which I suppose is obvious See, I had long stopped watching by then, shortly after the first big fight scene.
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Samurai Flamenco was ruined for me as soon as it went from Toku Kick rear end to Toku Miracleman.
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