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Ok that op is not even trying to mildly construe itself as figurative. It's just straight up underage naked girls licking each others toes. Yeah... I think I'll just check back in on this later, in case things somehow turn out to not be that bad.
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Violet_Sky posted:Where are you people watching this? Crunchyroll has nothing. I didn't, but someone posted the op from Youtube. Raws are out if you want, just no subs yet.
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Jan 5, 2015 20:18
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Holy gently caress that was Ikuhara as hell. Also the young virgin girl mcguffin seems to have died by bear already, and I am confused.
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Insurrectionist posted:Holy lol this thread. I think this thread is going to more entertainment than the show.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Trolling/Bullying Huh, didn't know that. As far as the bears' place in it, I guess they are the bullies, but it's too early to say much. But it is obvious from this episode that they are hunting down unaccompanied people which you could translate to the predatory nature of bullies.
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Jan 8, 2015 03:13
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Darth Walrus posted:I talk about that in the very next sentence. They represent the 'psycho lesbian' stereotype, which is indeed hosed up and pretty much the only way overt lesbian sexuality is allowed to be expressed, as something evil and destructive (but totes sexy, you guys). Think the busty nurse who tries to murder the Major in Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, or Nina Einstein the racist table-fucker in Code Geass. In traditional yuri, you either get to be in a chaste, sexless relationship almost indistinguishable from close friendship, or you're an oversexed, immature, predatory freak. If you're lucky, you might get the 'sexy rapist' treatment of a seme (top) in yaoi, but things are probably still going to end horribly for you - the only difference is that it'll be treated as a tragedy rather than something to celebrate (think Chikane from Kannazuki no Miko, which is a pretty iconic yuri work even if it's kind of poo poo). I would not be at all surprised if a theme in the story is of Kureha and the bears finding a healthy, affectionate way to express their sexuality even as the authorities of both sides try to deny it. Namtab posted:I know you did and I'm not having a pop at you. I'd qualify it as quality storytelling albeit with disgustingly tasteless directing. There are better ways that bit could have been handled, but Ikuhara went for the most blatantly hosed up.
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Jan 10, 2015 16:15
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Effectronica posted:Sure, and Utena has things to say about the magical girl genre as well. But I'm wary about assigning everything a sexual meaning given that it's possible to read the title as "Lesbian (version of) Bear Storm", with Bear Storm being the name of a historical novel about a rampage where a grizzly killed and ate seven people in Hokkaido and one of the survivors spent the rest of his live killing bears in revenge. The eating may be eating, and not actually sexual. Yes, because Ikuhara is totally literal in every aspect of Utena and Penguindrum,. You have to be pretty drat dense or actively trying not to see that scene as overt, in-your-face, "DO YOU GET WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE?" sexual imagery about rape.
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Jan 10, 2015 20:40
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Put simply, the rape imagery is itself symbolic of some point. However, I just wish it wasn't rape imagery that was used to make the point. Just show us the bears eating a girl, that makes the point well enough without rape imagery.
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Jan 10, 2015 22:00
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Darth Walrus posted:but with the themes being addressed here, rape imagery is pretty much inevitable. That was less imagery of rape than it was almost actual rape. I understand having imagery subtly implying rape, or maybe contextualizing attempted rape, but that was toeing the like of being actual rape. ViggyNash fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 10, 2015 |
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Jan 10, 2015 22:43
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Rand Brittain posted:I think it's okay to say "high-artsy, high-fartsy psychedelic psychosexual metaphor-heavy animation about lesbians is not for me." It probably was not intended to be for everyone. My problem with it is that it seems intended as fanservice, which is really hosed up since it's rape and sets a bad precedent for the show. I'll stop discussing it if it's annoying you, but I feel it's a point that needs to be made.
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Jan 10, 2015 23:03
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Beef Waifu posted:How bad (AKA good) is this show?  Solid, if maybe a bit off-putting, setup to something that promises to be interesting.
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Jan 11, 2015 18:39
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a cartoon duck posted:the manga is extremely cool and good and someone should translate more of it so the thread can be about that instead of the anime I will concur with this because I can't stand the anime anymore but there seems to be something interesting here.
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Jan 13, 2015 01:11
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Harettazetta posted:If you hated KLK for the stuff it did, and are defending this show, congratulations. At least KLK was quite a spectacle outside of its absurd sexualization, so it could still be enjoyed by turning your brain off. This show cannot claim as much.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:09
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trucutru posted:Isn't he the "Nisemonogatari is not a fanservic-y show" dude? How is this a valid opinion?  That coming from someone who loves the poo poo out of (almost) everything -monogatari.
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Jan 14, 2015 14:52
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Rand Brittain posted:I think that's a simplification of his opinion. Hmm. I think he gives the show some undeserved credit, but he makes good points. It's not so much that none of that was fanservice because it was not purposeless except to titillate the viewer, but that Shinbou was trying to make statements about the importance of directing in sexually charged moments, and about the distinction between fanservice and plot-relevant sexualization. Regardless, it's still a having cake/eating it too situation.
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aers posted:https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/557612005906194432 Woah, like Hitchcock's Psycho Mrs. Bates?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:34
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Well, this thread went downhill fast.
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Drinkfist posted:Where is that No Game No Life thread. That was full of fun people with really bright concepts. A beacon of goon. I'm pretty sure everyone in that thread took it for granted that this was 90% a T&A fanservice show so we didn't bother saying much about it after a few episodes.
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